Hey everyone, lurker here! I frequent the Peasant cube forums (and a few others on MTGS), but rarely post. I am here to get my cube on the forums so I have a place to see it at all times, get advice from more experienced players, etc.
I have been putting together a cu/be for quite some time. I have it to where I am ~94% satisfied with it. As you will see later on, there are still things I want to change. First of all, here is my cubetutor link:
360 cards currently (Want to add Booster Tutor)
3 card guild section. (Ignore Gruul…)
As you may notice, it doesn’t have any BFZ, Oath, or C15 cards in it YET.
Excluded: Hymn to Tourach, Loxadon Warhammer and Behemoth's Sledge, Skullclamp, Sol Ring. I know there are plenty others that I have read/seen that are just a tad too strong in my opinion. With my revisions, the power level of the cube started to slowly rise, so I may have to revisit these cards one day.
Things I want changed:
- I LOVE the Conspiracies. But my playgroup is too freaking stupid to understand them. Every time we draft (only been a handful of times so far), SOMEONE messes it up. Usually the same two people… So, I am going to cut all 4 of them. Cogwork Librarian is going to stay for now and HOPE that people can understand it. (I have a foil, reason I want it to stick).
- I want to add Booster Tutor and (?) 14 (?) additional cards. I HIGHLY doubt I will ever be able to draft this with a full 8 players. If it does happen, however, I want to be able to have a “booster pack” left over. With that being said, those of you who run Booster Tutor, is that what you do? Just add enough for a booster on top of your 360/450 or what not?
- Get up to date with BFZ, Oath, C15, and also the upcoming SOI. I already have a few cards listed that I am looking at.
- Shove in a few more cards that I SHOULD be running that I do not have. I also have a list for that.
TL:DR – Cut all 4 conspiracies. Add booster tutor +14 (?) more cards. Update to current sets and add other good cards.
Cards I have been looking at to add:
Commander 2015 ++Corpse Augur – Orc Sureshot? I want to push BW tokens and he is still “useful” outside of that. I think Augur is just so much better, though.
+Rite of the Raging Storm -? Not too sure what I would take out for this card. How has it performed in your cube? (Replace a conspiracy)
+Mirror Match –Spinx’s Tutelage I think. I really like Sphinx’s (outside of the cube), but Mirror Match probably fits into more decks. Battle For Zendikar ++Eldrazi Skyspawner –Welkin Tern, Frostwalker, Sigiled Starfish in order of possibilities. I have a foil Starfish, reason it is at the end. I know these are all 2 drops and Skyspawner is a 3 drop… but looking at my 3s, I don’t know what I would cut.
++Bane of Bala Ged or another interesting? Eldrazi – I have both Ulamog’s Crusher and Artisan of Kozilek. I may cut one of them, and probably be Crusher. +++Zulaport Cutthroat – probably Sultai Emissary. He does create an extra body, but Cutthroat is amazing! Oath of the Gatewatch ++Reflector Mage – Both Skymark Roc and Thunderclap Wyvern are pretty underplayed in my cube (my buddies just don’t like UW I guess…). I think Roc may stay and Wyvern gets the cut. I really wanted to push UW skies, though. +++Relief Captain – Glimmerpoint Stag, Goldnight Commander, or even Triplicate Spirits sticks out to me. I may cut the Commander as it seems like it has the least impact the few times I have seen it.
+++Baloth Null – Pharika’s Mender. Easy. One more mana, bigger dude. Gets more stuff (minus Enchants)
++Embodiment of Fury – I may cut Acolyte of the Inferno. My 3s are pretty crowded and this is a unique ability.
+Embodiment of Insight – I am on the fence about this guy so I haven't thought of any cuts. Shadows over Inn (Not too worried about these cards yet) Stitched Mangler (Frost Lynx is almost the same?) Heir of Falkenrath – Not the best, but a 3 damage flier can get some work in. Village Messenger – 1/1 haste. Red 1 drops. Not much to say. Skin Invasion – I don’t know if this card will work, but I love the design of it. Duskwatch Recruiter – Seems like super slow value. But value. Other cards from various sets:
++Calciderm – Haven’t had one fall into my hands
+++Path to Exile – I keep jamming these in my other decks. I need one specifically for this. ++Looter il-Kor – Got it in for Reality Shift ++Man-o'-War – Ordered. It should be here this week!
++Crystal Shard – I have one. Just needs a spot. +++Blood Artist – Got it in for Shadows of the Past
++Unearth – Has a decent amount of targets, but still on the fence about this one
+Inquisition of Kozilek – Not sure if this is worthwhile. Posted here for your input?
++Regrowth – I got one quite a while back. Just keep forgetting about it. Needs a spot.
++Epochrasite – Just came in the mail. Needs a spot. Probably rip out a conspiracy. ++Lightning Greaves- Why not, right?
++Goldmeadow Harrier - New to this list. Going to replace Steppe Lynx
+Genju of the Spires - Use with Embodiment
+Genju of the Cedars- See above
+++Faerie Conclave - Wait, why is this card NOT in my list. Overlooked mistake.
Archetypes, themes, all that jazz I am attempting to push. Definitely NOT set in stone.
UW skies
UB loot, reanimate
WB tokens
BR? sacrifice, death matters
GW dudes. Things that make dudes, things that pump dudes.
GB gy matters
UB spells matter (Pretty weak it seems. I am ok with cutting some of these dudes/spells)
UG boring deck
UR and RG seems pretty typical.
This is a relatively new cube and hasn’t been broken in. I don’t get to play with it a bunch. Due to that, I am all ears when it comes to changes from more experienced players!
Thanks for your time and any smart person words you throw at me.
Taking things a bit slow on updating. I am hitting my C15 additions first, then moving down the list. So, here are the changes:
I am taking out all 4 of the conspiracies I run and adding: Calciderm (PENDING: I do not have a copy, yet. It is in my cart along with a few other cards) Rite of the Raging Storm Corpse Augur Great Oak Guardian
This puts my colors even, finally. 55 of each.
On top of that:
+ Mirror Match in for -Sleep: I had a few choices to take out for this. Opportunity and Sphinx's Tutelage were also high on my list.
So, nothing major in terms of changes. I still have quite a few things I want to jam in this cube. I think the addition of a Booster Tutor is going to make it a bit easier since I will go up to 375.
Made a few more changes to the cube. I haven't gotten to play with the last set of changes (wasn't all that much of a change, though). These are all cards that I wanted to jam in here. I wanted to slot in a Bane of Bala Ged also, but don't have one on hand for some odd reason... Here are the changes, puts me current up to BFZ, minus Bane.
Welkin Tern > Eldrazi Skyspawner - This was mentioned earlier. I am upping my curve slightly with this change, but Spawner is solid every time I played him. Sultai Emissary > Zulaport Cutthroat - I am very "meh" about Emissary. Cutthroat compunds the sacrifice/dying matters cards like Blood Artist, making that archetype stick out more and more powerful (Which I wanted). Kird Ape > Lightning Greaves - I never knew what to do with Ape. I wanted to just leave him in the red section... but he is more of a Gruul card, obviously. I always had him in my guild section and kept Gruul at 4 cards and the rest at 3. Still felt wrong. Just cut his monkey butt and put in a Greaves. Win / win? Penumbra Spider > Eternal Witness - I may get some questions about this call. I couldn't get my hands on a real Penumbra Spider. I have been using a prox the whole time. I guess I could have bought it... But EWit needs to go in, regardless. Opinions on this? Sphinx's Tutelage > Man-o'-War - I love Sphinx's Tutelage, but no one ever ran it when it was drafted (or no one snagged it when we did grid drafting). I think more people will be inclined to snag Manowar. Opportunity > Crystal Shard - This may also be a questionable cut. I don't think anyone will say anything about the add, since Shard should probably be near a 100% inclusion. I didn't know what else to cut. Drawing three cards is obviously nice. But so much mana. Opinions?
SO, lots of great adds I think. The cuts may be a bit questionable. Let me know if you see something that should be cut over the ones I did, though!
I should be able to get a game in tonight (Grid 1v1). I want to try to start keeping tracks of the decks and post them in here.
Edit: Here is my current "Want to add" list
Battle For Zendikar
++Bane of Bala Ged or another interesting? Eldrazi – I have both Ulamog’s Crusher and Artisan of Kozilek. I may cut one of them, and probably be Crusher.
Oath of the Gatewatch
++Reflector Mage – Both Skymark Roc and Thunderclap Wyvern are pretty underplayed in my cube (my buddies just don’t like UW I guess…). I think Roc may stay and Wyvern gets the cut. I really wanted to push UW skies, though.
+++Relief Captain – Glimmerpoint Stag, Goldnight Commander, or even Triplicate Spirits sticks out to me. I may cut the Commander as it seems like it has the least impact the few times I have seen it.
+++Baloth Null – Pharika’s Mender. Easy. One more mana, bigger dude. Gets more stuff (minus Enchants)
++Embodiment of Fury – I may cut Acolyte of the Inferno. My 3s are pretty crowded and this is a unique ability.
+Embodiment of Insight – I am on the fence about this guy so I haven't thought of any cuts.
Shadows over Inn (Not too worried about these cards yet) Stitched Mangler (Frost Lynx is almost the same?) Heir of Falkenrath – Not the best, but a 3 damage flier can get some work in. Village Messenger – 1/1 haste. Red 1 drops. Not much to say. Skin Invasion – I don’t know if this card will work, but I love the design of it. Duskwatch Recruiter – Seems like super slow value. But value.
Other cards from various sets:
++Calciderm – Haven’t had one fall into my hands
+++Path to Exile – I keep jamming these in my other decks. I need one specifically for this.
++Unearth – Has a decent amount of targets, but still on the fence about this one
+Inquisition of Kozilek – Not sure if this is worthwhile. Posted here for your input?
++Regrowth – I got one quite a while back. Just keep forgetting about it. Needs a spot.
++Epochrasite – Just came in the mail. Needs a spot. Probably rip out a conspiracy.AH, I BOUGHT THE RARE VERSION!
++Goldmeadow Harrier - New to this list. Going to replace Steppe Lynx
+Genju of the Spires - Use with Embodiment
+Genju of the Cedars- See above
+++Faerie Conclave - Wait, why is this card NOT in my list. Overlooked mistake.
Got in a 1v1 Grid Draft today! I kept the decks together so I could take a pic of them to record them when I got home. Here are the decks.
The first deck is mine. I tried to focus on a lower curve with some efficient removal until I hit few big dogs. The sideways cards are cards in my sideboard that were relevant. Most of them stayed out for being too slow. The all-stars of my deck were Timely Hordemate and Calciderm (which is that ugly prox. Mine hasn’t arrived in the mail, yet)
The second deck is my buddy’s. He has drafted this cube just as many times as I have (literally). He should be getting a bit used to it by now. Nemesis of Mortals was his biggest threat to me. His sideboard (sideways cards) seemed pretty solid. I am surprised he didn't just run black and green.
Game one: I threw out a bunch of little dudes including Nearheath Pilgrim bonded to a Spined Thopter. I was getting some good damage in while removing his smaller creatures. I saw I had my Timely Hordemate in hand, so I was going to try to make a cheeky play. I attacked with both of my guys on board when he had a Satyr Wayfinder, Sakura-Tribe Elder, and a Wall of Blossoms. I was expecting him to trade his Satyr and my Nearheath. Next turn I was going to attack with my Thopter and bring my Pilgrim back from the yard bonded to him. Well, on his next turn he Reclamation Sage’s my Thopter. After that, I couldn’t get much ground back. He proceeds to drop a Nemesis of Mortals, Monstrous it, and beat my face.
Game two: I start out just as fast again with my Porcel Legionnaire, Mindstone, Kor Skyfisher, and a few counters / removals. I keep a counter back for his Nemesis, but had to blow it on stopping a (not very impressive) Great Oak Guardian play. Luckily I snag another removal before he can draw his Nemesis and I seal the deal with Calciderm.
Game three: This one was a bit more interesting. I ended up playing most of my 2 drop creatures, other than Wall of Omens. Half of them get Pyroclasmed which left only his Nyx Weaver on board. I ended up losing 4 life due to his Zulaport Cutthroat being out. I dropped my Shrine of Loyal Legions, kept a counter spell, bounce spell, and a Swords to Plowshares waiting. I drew into a Spined Thopter. Played it. Attacked next turn. Threw my Timely Hordemate out, pulling back Kor Skyfisher targeting Hordemate again. Next turn I drew into Calciderm, played it, attacked in the air, passed. Replayed Hordemate, got my Frostwalker, removed some stuff (in preparation), passed. EoT I popped my Shrine for 6. Finally was able to go in for the kill. Also, somewhere inside that mess a Cloudgoat Ranger got played and got hit with a Dismember. Was fun watching Hordemate play.
Overall, I think I am getting a bit better at Grid Drafting. My deck was nowhere near good, still. The cube is running pretty smooth. I can and will definitely make more changes here soon, but I am super happy, regardless.
- You could consider cutting Flinthoof Boar instead of Kird Ape (your cube has more 2-drops than it has 1-drops), but both are defendable.
- Spider is good, great even, but you really need that Witness. If anything, I'd consider cutting a 6-drop if you want to keep Penumbra Spider, and I don't think you need all of Deglamer, Beast Within and Naturalize in green. I would cut at least one of them for Conclave Naturalists, personally, and probably another to keep the Penumbra.
- I've cut Opportunity myself, and I think it's the right call especially because you also have Mirror Match. Both usually go into the same deck and I think Mirror Match is better and more fun.
About your wishlist:
- I don't think the Genju's and the Embodiments are better than similar options you already have in your cube. We just cut the last ones of those, actually, and I have 520 cards.
- Don't cut Acolyte of the Inferno, it's great. Cut Thopter Engineer instead if you want to cut a 3-drop. Kiln Fiend if you want to cut a 2.
- I like Ulamog's Crusher better than Bane of Bala Ged because it's harder to deal with.
Yeah, I can easily cut Deglamer now that I look at it. Good point. Conclave Naturalists even has a sweet full art promo, doesn't she? If I run her and also Reclamation Sage, that may be enough reason to drop out Naturalize for the Penumbra Wurm again. I would like to keep Beast Within since it deals with nearly everything. Plus I have a soft spot in my heart since I pretty much only played Commander for about 2 years of my life. I enjoyed blowing up anything I wanted.
Yes, Mirror Match seems way more fun. I didn't get a chance to get it today in my grid draft, even though I was in color. Maybe next time.
Kiln Fiend has been pretty "meh" for me so far. I can see him going real soon.
I will have to really think about those Genjus. I am really close on putting in one or both the Embodiments. Not so sure about the Genjus, though.
Finally went in for perfect fits. Ended up getting 1k (500 for this cube) so I can also sleeve up a few of my decks (I have 10 EDH, 8 Tiny Leader, 1 Pauper, 4-5? budget modern, 1 super budget legacy, 1 multiplayer, and a few other randoms...)
ON TOP OF THAT! FACELIFT!
I seriously can't start to tell you how stoked I am about these. I want every single non-gold symbol thingy promo they have. This is close to all of them. The only promo I have in my cube at the moment that has a gold symbol is my Gitaxian Probe. I need to take it out.
A couple of these aren't in the cube. I will need to find a spot for them now!
Cube is back together. Double sleeving didn't take quite as long as I thought it would (solo). It feels soooooo good having them all doubled. Makes it a bit thicker, obviously, but not a problem. Once I add my 15 extra cards, I will transfer them to a new box (I have a neat cigar box I want to modify, I will post pictures of it soon-ish).
I have done two grid drafts with the usual suspect. There has only been one time so far that it was more than a 2 player draft. All my buddies decided they have lives once this thing finished (Sad face). We were having 4 players every Thursday for a long time with an occasional 1-3 more show up here and there.
The first draft it was a joke. None of the games were fun. I crammed my deck with small beaters and he ran mostly control with only a few dudes. We either got mana screwed, flooded, or just a complete blow out each time we played. We ended up playing 2 sets and went 2-1 each. Cunning Sparkmage was the only thing that got in my way (other than lands). I would load up some pictures of the decks but they really aren't anything special.
The second draft was rough. The grid wasn't being very nice to us. It would spread our "wanted" cards to where we could only get one each pick. Luckily, the last couple grids gave me enough gas to go Simic. My buddy didn't have any threats other than a Crusher and Cloudgoat Ranger. I slammed down Illusory Angel early nearly every game and put him on a serious clock. I was able to go Land - Arbor Elf - Turn, Land - Wild Growth - Untap Forest - Illusory Angel on turn 2... He didn't have an immediate answer and I was packing a couple counters... Other than that, I ran a ton of the Fading and Suspend beaters. Also, as a heads up... I found out after this game. If a creature comes in off suspend... they have haste. I didn't realize that until yesterday when I was looking at the rulings Lotus Bloom or what not. Now I know. My deck could have been slightly more explosive.
EDIT: I forgot to mention. I need to cut a couple cards to add Faerie Conclave, Conclave Naturalist, and Stasis promos. On top of that, I am seriously thinking of cutting my 2 double faced cards. I don't like the idea of people removing the cards. I really wanted to add a couple of the DFC from SOI, too.
Mother of Runes: This seems like a very amazing upgrade. Arrester has been "meh" at best each time I have played it. Goldmeadow Harrier: I actually really disliked Steppe Lynx up until the most recent 2v2 grid draft. My buddy used it very well, and it ended up being one of his best early game threats. I had him on the chopping block this whole time (since cube was made) and don't know what else I would take out. Stinks taking out an aggro card for a control card (the synergy, though). Relief Captain: One of the Oath cards I have been eyeballing. Seems like a very good upgrade. One thing I noticed is that this makes a lot of my higher end whites double white cost. I will have to watch this to make sure 3 color decks aren't getting shafted higher up on the curve. Serendib Efreet: One thing to note: MY PLAYGROUP IS NOT THE SMARTEST. I had to rip out all the conspiracies, have to explain rules, etc. every dang draft. Guess what... I STILL GOT THE GREEN EFREET. I don't care if they draft it in their green decks on accident! READ THE CARD! On a serious note; this card should have been in when the cube was first built. I think it is a solid replacement, even though my Thief is foil. /cry Faerie Conclave: Another card that should have been in the cube immediately. I honestly thought it was until I was looking through the Genjus / Embodiment interactions. The cut was a bit harder for me. I don't think I have ever seen Geist played before, though. What are your guys thoughts on this? (PROMO WITHOUT THE RARE SYMBOL!!) Diabolic Servitude: I need/want to up the reanimate package in my cube. Any other suggestions for me? It has been too weak the few times it has been attempted. Conclave Naturalists: As per Squirrely's suggestions. I decided to keep beast and naturalize in (Also Rec Sage). May be a bit much on removal... Full arts though... Reflector Mage: I like the idea of this card (haven't played it) and I also love the idea of Thunderclap... but it just never seems to play out right. I can't bring myself to cut my other two Azo cards, either.
That about does it for this update. There are a few cards that I gathered and I have misplaced somewhere (Baloth Null, Stitched Mangler, and the Embodiments (which I probs won't put in now)).
I am trying to decide if I should take out the double faced cards I have, also. There were a few DFCs I wanted to add from SOI, but as I mentioned before, my playgroup isn't the brightest. They can't remember a single card (so they will be taking everything out every time it comes around). I "think" the only two I have is Reckless Waif and Cloistered Youth. I especially like Youth, though. The cards I was looking at were Heir of Falkenrath, Village Messenger, Skin Invasion, and Duskwatch Recruiter... which is all but one of the cards I originally wanted from SOI. zzzzz Opinions?
Let me know what you think of the cuts/adds and also the DFC opinions. Thanks!!
I REALLY wish it had a little less foil bend. It isn't TERRIBLE, but it still bugs the hell out of me. The Seeker of the Way in the background is actually 3890x worse. I bought a playset and I can make a dang bracelet out of the things...
SO, what does this mean? I GET TO ADD 14 MORE CARDS TO MY CUBE! Me wants your help!
I only have one at the moment I think I want to add that I physically own right now; Stasis Snare (I have the promo). Other cards I may include are: Path to Exile Unearth Inquisition of Kozilek Regrowth?
If you have time, go through and find some cards that I am dumb and not including so far in my cube. 3 of each color (2 for black since Booster Tutor is one) will be added. I will be doing the same thing when I have free time (probably not this weekend...).
Did a 1v1 Glimpse draft for the first time the other night. Loved it. Gives us a different way to draft along with Grid/Quilt. There is a chance that a couple more people are going to join our playgroup about once a month so I may actually get some better drafts going. When I first started to build the cube we had a group of 4 playing nearly every week. By the time I finished we were down to two. Life happened.
My Glimpse draft deck was solid as can be. I went mono black with a good removal suite, great creatures, and Gary and Angler as the top end and went 2-0. Wasn't very close at all.
I like quite a bit of these suggestions. I DID just get a Ghostly Prison in. I am hesitant due to how strong it can be and how little some people think of it. And no, I am not doing online downshifts. If it has a gold symbol on the card, I won't run it. That includes promos (Gitaxian Probe is the only one at the moment that breaks this rule. I need to replace it). I have went to put in Merfolk Looter a good three times already and always forget... I am really interested in that Phyrexian Ingester coming out in Eternal Masters, though.
I haven't decided 100% on the other 14 cards I want to add quite yet, but that certainly helps. Hopefully I can get a solid list together by this weekend. We shall see. Thanks for the input.
Not much (nothing) in terms of play or real changes this week. I did however snag a few foil copies for some of the cards:
The whole bottom row are for the cube, top row is for my MiniCube (so ignore). I don't have Tooth Collector in quite yet, but I have been eyeballing it and it was cheap/good condition. I also ordered a couple more through the mail, so I should have them this week. Makes me excited!
Finally got around to making some changes to the cube. I added my Booster Tutor and 14 other cards. Then I made a couple more changes to green to add in some foils that I have been holding on to. Can't say I am too dead set on these cuts OR the additions (a lot of testing), but it feels nice having some new blood in the cube. Still wanting to find a spot for my Seed Guardian.
I think Joraga Treespeaker is the single best green card in Cube, can't imagine ever cutting it.
Also I (still) really don't like Blessed Alliance. I want my removal to be consistent, and while this has upsides it'll also run into situations where it removes a random 1/1 instead of the huge attacking threat that you actually want to hit.
Joraga Treespeaker is one of those cards I have in my cube because I always see it in other people's lists. I don't see how it is THAT good of a card by just looking at it. Do you mind elaborating a bit on her for me? I will probably find a new cut regardless, but I would like to know why she is so highly rated.
Yeah, Blessed Alliance doesn't seem too hot in about half the situations. I agree. But, you see... I got this pretty foil... Haha. It will certainly be one of the first cuts once I find a more suitable card. I had been pushing off this Booster Tutor update for a while and got antsy and just threw in what I had instead of evaluating everything. There's a few other things I need to do to my cube as well (like drop one green card and put in Epochrasite, I accidently ordered the rare version...)
It's a 1-drop that taps for two mana. The only comparable card is Sol Ring. I mean, Ring is clearly better, but the fact that they're in the same conversation speaks to how amazing it is.
T1 Treespeaker
T2 level-up and you even get to play another 2-drop (green or colorless)
T3 you have FIVE mana available, etc, win the game
Haven't had the chance to play / upgrade the cube in a few months. Time to hit it!
These are the cards I am looking at. OBVIOUSLY not all these are going in. Just cards I am going to start looking for foil copies of. Once I get a few, I will return with what I cut to put them in!
ALLLL advice, suggestions, comments, tips, love, and hate are appreciated.
Planning on having 6-8 drafters this weekend. Doing some modifications these next couple days to get my cube a bit more up to date. Some of these changes are from cards I collected from the previous post (and just haven't put them in yet)
I will probably have one more post before the weekend. I wouldn't mind someone picking apart my cube if you have free time. Thanks everyone, as always.
Got to draft my cube (FINALLY!) again and we had 6 people this time around. Two people bailed at the last minute.
I ended up winning the night. If the Orzhov deck that ran 820 removal spells wouldn't have gotten mana screwed 2 games back to back, he probably would have won out.
I have been putting together a cu/be for quite some time. I have it to where I am ~94% satisfied with it. As you will see later on, there are still things I want to change. First of all, here is my cubetutor link:
http://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/36546
Features:
3 card guild section. (Ignore Gruul…)
As you may notice, it doesn’t have any BFZ, Oath, or C15 cards in it YET.
- I want to add Booster Tutor and (?) 14 (?) additional cards. I HIGHLY doubt I will ever be able to draft this with a full 8 players. If it does happen, however, I want to be able to have a “booster pack” left over. With that being said, those of you who run Booster Tutor, is that what you do? Just add enough for a booster on top of your 360/450 or what not?
- Get up to date with BFZ, Oath, C15, and also the upcoming SOI. I already have a few cards listed that I am looking at.
- Shove in a few more cards that I SHOULD be running that I do not have. I also have a list for that.
Cards I have been looking at to add:
++Corpse Augur – Orc Sureshot? I want to push BW tokens and he is still “useful” outside of that. I think Augur is just so much better, though.+Rite of the Raging Storm -? Not too sure what I would take out for this card. How has it performed in your cube? (Replace a conspiracy)
+Mirror Match –Spinx’s Tutelage I think. I really like Sphinx’s (outside of the cube), but Mirror Match probably fits into more decks.
Battle For Zendikar
++Eldrazi Skyspawner –Welkin Tern, Frostwalker, Sigiled Starfish in order of possibilities. I have a foil Starfish, reason it is at the end. I know these are all 2 drops and Skyspawner is a 3 drop… but looking at my 3s, I don’t know what I would cut.++Bane of Bala Ged or another interesting? Eldrazi – I have both Ulamog’s Crusher and Artisan of Kozilek. I may cut one of them, and probably be Crusher.
+++Zulaport Cutthroat – probably Sultai Emissary. He does create an extra body, but Cutthroat is amazing!Oath of the Gatewatch
++Reflector Mage – Both Skymark Roc and Thunderclap Wyvern are pretty underplayed in my cube (my buddies just don’t like UW I guess…). I think Roc may stay and Wyvern gets the cut. I really wanted to push UW skies, though.+++Relief Captain – Glimmerpoint Stag, Goldnight Commander, or even Triplicate Spirits sticks out to me. I may cut the Commander as it seems like it has the least impact the few times I have seen it.+++Baloth Null – Pharika’s Mender. Easy. One more mana, bigger dude. Gets more stuff (minus Enchants)
++Embodiment of Fury – I may cut Acolyte of the Inferno. My 3s are pretty crowded and this is a unique ability.
+Embodiment of Insight – I am on the fence about this guy so I haven't thought of any cuts.
Shadows over Inn (Not too worried about these cards yet)
Stitched Mangler (Frost Lynx is almost the same?)
Heir of Falkenrath – Not the best, but a 3 damage flier can get some work in.
Village Messenger – 1/1 haste. Red 1 drops. Not much to say.
Skin Invasion – I don’t know if this card will work, but I love the design of it.
Duskwatch Recruiter – Seems like super slow value. But value.
Other cards from various sets:
++Calciderm – Haven’t had one fall into my hands
+++Path to Exile – I keep jamming these in my other decks. I need one specifically for this.
++Looter il-Kor – Got it in for Reality Shift++Man-o'-War – Ordered. It should be here this week!++Crystal Shard – I have one. Just needs a spot.
+++Blood Artist – Got it in for Shadows of the Past++Unearth – Has a decent amount of targets, but still on the fence about this one
+Inquisition of Kozilek – Not sure if this is worthwhile. Posted here for your input?
++Regrowth – I got one quite a while back. Just keep forgetting about it. Needs a spot.
++Epochrasite – Just came in the mail. Needs a spot. Probably rip out a conspiracy.
++Lightning Greaves- Why not, right?++Goldmeadow Harrier - New to this list. Going to replace Steppe Lynx
+Genju of the Spires - Use with Embodiment
+Genju of the Cedars- See above
+++Faerie Conclave - Wait, why is this card NOT in my list. Overlooked mistake.
Archetypes, themes, all that jazz I am attempting to push. Definitely NOT set in stone.
UB loot, reanimate
WB tokens
BR? sacrifice, death matters
GW dudes. Things that make dudes, things that pump dudes.
GB gy matters
UB spells matter (Pretty weak it seems. I am ok with cutting some of these dudes/spells)
UG boring deck
UR and RG seems pretty typical.
This is a relatively new cube and hasn’t been broken in. I don’t get to play with it a bunch. Due to that, I am all ears when it comes to changes from more experienced players!
Thanks for your time and any smart person words you throw at me.
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I am taking out all 4 of the conspiracies I run and adding:
Calciderm (PENDING: I do not have a copy, yet. It is in my cart along with a few other cards)
Rite of the Raging Storm
Corpse Augur
Great Oak Guardian
This puts my colors even, finally. 55 of each.
On top of that:
+ Mirror Match in for -Sleep: I had a few choices to take out for this. Opportunity and Sphinx's Tutelage were also high on my list.
So, nothing major in terms of changes. I still have quite a few things I want to jam in this cube. I think the addition of a Booster Tutor is going to make it a bit easier since I will go up to 375.
Until next time!
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Welkin Tern > Eldrazi Skyspawner - This was mentioned earlier. I am upping my curve slightly with this change, but Spawner is solid every time I played him.
Sultai Emissary > Zulaport Cutthroat - I am very "meh" about Emissary. Cutthroat compunds the sacrifice/dying matters cards like Blood Artist, making that archetype stick out more and more powerful (Which I wanted).
Kird Ape > Lightning Greaves - I never knew what to do with Ape. I wanted to just leave him in the red section... but he is more of a Gruul card, obviously. I always had him in my guild section and kept Gruul at 4 cards and the rest at 3. Still felt wrong. Just cut his monkey butt and put in a Greaves. Win / win?
Penumbra Spider > Eternal Witness - I may get some questions about this call. I couldn't get my hands on a real Penumbra Spider. I have been using a prox the whole time. I guess I could have bought it... But EWit needs to go in, regardless. Opinions on this?
Sphinx's Tutelage > Man-o'-War - I love Sphinx's Tutelage, but no one ever ran it when it was drafted (or no one snagged it when we did grid drafting). I think more people will be inclined to snag Manowar.
Opportunity > Crystal Shard - This may also be a questionable cut. I don't think anyone will say anything about the add, since Shard should probably be near a 100% inclusion. I didn't know what else to cut. Drawing three cards is obviously nice. But so much mana. Opinions?
SO, lots of great adds I think. The cuts may be a bit questionable. Let me know if you see something that should be cut over the ones I did, though!
I should be able to get a game in tonight (Grid 1v1). I want to try to start keeping tracks of the decks and post them in here.
Edit: Here is my current "Want to add" list
Battle For Zendikar
++Bane of Bala Ged or another interesting? Eldrazi – I have both Ulamog’s Crusher and Artisan of Kozilek. I may cut one of them, and probably be Crusher.
Oath of the Gatewatch
++Reflector Mage – Both Skymark Roc and Thunderclap Wyvern are pretty underplayed in my cube (my buddies just don’t like UW I guess…). I think Roc may stay and Wyvern gets the cut. I really wanted to push UW skies, though.
+++Relief Captain – Glimmerpoint Stag, Goldnight Commander, or even Triplicate Spirits sticks out to me. I may cut the Commander as it seems like it has the least impact the few times I have seen it.
+++Baloth Null – Pharika’s Mender. Easy. One more mana, bigger dude. Gets more stuff (minus Enchants)
++Embodiment of Fury – I may cut Acolyte of the Inferno. My 3s are pretty crowded and this is a unique ability.
+Embodiment of Insight – I am on the fence about this guy so I haven't thought of any cuts.
Shadows over Inn (Not too worried about these cards yet)
Stitched Mangler (Frost Lynx is almost the same?)
Heir of Falkenrath – Not the best, but a 3 damage flier can get some work in.
Village Messenger – 1/1 haste. Red 1 drops. Not much to say.
Skin Invasion – I don’t know if this card will work, but I love the design of it.
Duskwatch Recruiter – Seems like super slow value. But value.
Other cards from various sets:
++Calciderm – Haven’t had one fall into my hands
+++Path to Exile – I keep jamming these in my other decks. I need one specifically for this.
++Unearth – Has a decent amount of targets, but still on the fence about this one
+Inquisition of Kozilek – Not sure if this is worthwhile. Posted here for your input?
++Regrowth – I got one quite a while back. Just keep forgetting about it. Needs a spot.
++Epochrasite –
Just came in the mail. Needs a spot. Probably rip out a conspiracy.AH, I BOUGHT THE RARE VERSION!++Goldmeadow Harrier - New to this list. Going to replace Steppe Lynx
+Genju of the Spires - Use with Embodiment
+Genju of the Cedars- See above
+++Faerie Conclave - Wait, why is this card NOT in my list. Overlooked mistake.
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The first deck is mine. I tried to focus on a lower curve with some efficient removal until I hit few big dogs. The sideways cards are cards in my sideboard that were relevant. Most of them stayed out for being too slow. The all-stars of my deck were Timely Hordemate and Calciderm (which is that ugly prox. Mine hasn’t arrived in the mail, yet)
The second deck is my buddy’s. He has drafted this cube just as many times as I have (literally). He should be getting a bit used to it by now. Nemesis of Mortals was his biggest threat to me. His sideboard (sideways cards) seemed pretty solid. I am surprised he didn't just run black and green.
Game one: I threw out a bunch of little dudes including Nearheath Pilgrim bonded to a Spined Thopter. I was getting some good damage in while removing his smaller creatures. I saw I had my Timely Hordemate in hand, so I was going to try to make a cheeky play. I attacked with both of my guys on board when he had a Satyr Wayfinder, Sakura-Tribe Elder, and a Wall of Blossoms. I was expecting him to trade his Satyr and my Nearheath. Next turn I was going to attack with my Thopter and bring my Pilgrim back from the yard bonded to him. Well, on his next turn he Reclamation Sage’s my Thopter. After that, I couldn’t get much ground back. He proceeds to drop a Nemesis of Mortals, Monstrous it, and beat my face.
Game two: I start out just as fast again with my Porcel Legionnaire, Mindstone, Kor Skyfisher, and a few counters / removals. I keep a counter back for his Nemesis, but had to blow it on stopping a (not very impressive) Great Oak Guardian play. Luckily I snag another removal before he can draw his Nemesis and I seal the deal with Calciderm.
Game three: This one was a bit more interesting. I ended up playing most of my 2 drop creatures, other than Wall of Omens. Half of them get Pyroclasmed which left only his Nyx Weaver on board. I ended up losing 4 life due to his Zulaport Cutthroat being out. I dropped my Shrine of Loyal Legions, kept a counter spell, bounce spell, and a Swords to Plowshares waiting. I drew into a Spined Thopter. Played it. Attacked next turn. Threw my Timely Hordemate out, pulling back Kor Skyfisher targeting Hordemate again. Next turn I drew into Calciderm, played it, attacked in the air, passed. Replayed Hordemate, got my Frostwalker, removed some stuff (in preparation), passed. EoT I popped my Shrine for 6. Finally was able to go in for the kill. Also, somewhere inside that mess a Cloudgoat Ranger got played and got hit with a Dismember. Was fun watching Hordemate play.
Overall, I think I am getting a bit better at Grid Drafting. My deck was nowhere near good, still. The cube is running pretty smooth. I can and will definitely make more changes here soon, but I am super happy, regardless.
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Yeah, I can easily cut Deglamer now that I look at it. Good point. Conclave Naturalists even has a sweet full art promo, doesn't she? If I run her and also Reclamation Sage, that may be enough reason to drop out Naturalize for the Penumbra Wurm again. I would like to keep Beast Within since it deals with nearly everything. Plus I have a soft spot in my heart since I pretty much only played Commander for about 2 years of my life. I enjoyed blowing up anything I wanted.
Yes, Mirror Match seems way more fun. I didn't get a chance to get it today in my grid draft, even though I was in color. Maybe next time.
Kiln Fiend has been pretty "meh" for me so far. I can see him going real soon.
I will have to really think about those Genjus. I am really close on putting in one or both the Embodiments. Not so sure about the Genjus, though.
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Finally went in for perfect fits. Ended up getting 1k (500 for this cube) so I can also sleeve up a few of my decks (I have 10 EDH, 8 Tiny Leader, 1 Pauper, 4-5? budget modern, 1 super budget legacy, 1 multiplayer, and a few other randoms...)
ON TOP OF THAT! FACELIFT!
I seriously can't start to tell you how stoked I am about these. I want every single non-gold symbol thingy promo they have. This is close to all of them. The only promo I have in my cube at the moment that has a gold symbol is my Gitaxian Probe. I need to take it out.
A couple of these aren't in the cube. I will need to find a spot for them now!
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Same for staggershock and latch seeker
Now if only I could get a full art electrolyze
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Cube is back together. Double sleeving didn't take quite as long as I thought it would (solo). It feels soooooo good having them all doubled. Makes it a bit thicker, obviously, but not a problem. Once I add my 15 extra cards, I will transfer them to a new box (I have a neat cigar box I want to modify, I will post pictures of it soon-ish).
I have done two grid drafts with the usual suspect. There has only been one time so far that it was more than a 2 player draft. All my buddies decided they have lives once this thing finished (Sad face). We were having 4 players every Thursday for a long time with an occasional 1-3 more show up here and there.
The first draft it was a joke. None of the games were fun. I crammed my deck with small beaters and he ran mostly control with only a few dudes. We either got mana screwed, flooded, or just a complete blow out each time we played. We ended up playing 2 sets and went 2-1 each. Cunning Sparkmage was the only thing that got in my way (other than lands). I would load up some pictures of the decks but they really aren't anything special.
The second draft was rough. The grid wasn't being very nice to us. It would spread our "wanted" cards to where we could only get one each pick. Luckily, the last couple grids gave me enough gas to go Simic. My buddy didn't have any threats other than a Crusher and Cloudgoat Ranger. I slammed down Illusory Angel early nearly every game and put him on a serious clock. I was able to go Land - Arbor Elf - Turn, Land - Wild Growth - Untap Forest - Illusory Angel on turn 2... He didn't have an immediate answer and I was packing a couple counters... Other than that, I ran a ton of the Fading and Suspend beaters. Also, as a heads up... I found out after this game. If a creature comes in off suspend... they have haste. I didn't realize that until yesterday when I was looking at the rulings Lotus Bloom or what not. Now I know. My deck could have been slightly more explosive.
EDIT: I forgot to mention. I need to cut a couple cards to add Faerie Conclave, Conclave Naturalist, and Stasis promos. On top of that, I am seriously thinking of cutting my 2 double faced cards. I don't like the idea of people removing the cards. I really wanted to add a couple of the DFC from SOI, too.
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Out > In
Azorius Arrester > Mother of Runes
Steppe Lynx > Goldmeadow Harrier
Goldnight Commander > Relief Captain
Jhessian Thief > Serendib Efreet
Tower Geist > Faerie Conclave
Ordeal of Erebos > Diabolic Servitude
Deglamer > Conclave Naturalists
Thunderclap Wyvern > Reflector Mage
Mother of Runes: This seems like a very amazing upgrade. Arrester has been "meh" at best each time I have played it.
Goldmeadow Harrier: I actually really disliked Steppe Lynx up until the most recent 2v2 grid draft. My buddy used it very well, and it ended up being one of his best early game threats. I had him on the chopping block this whole time (since cube was made) and don't know what else I would take out. Stinks taking out an aggro card for a control card (the synergy, though).
Relief Captain: One of the Oath cards I have been eyeballing. Seems like a very good upgrade. One thing I noticed is that this makes a lot of my higher end whites double white cost. I will have to watch this to make sure 3 color decks aren't getting shafted higher up on the curve.
Serendib Efreet: One thing to note: MY PLAYGROUP IS NOT THE SMARTEST. I had to rip out all the conspiracies, have to explain rules, etc. every dang draft. Guess what... I STILL GOT THE GREEN EFREET. I don't care if they draft it in their green decks on accident! READ THE CARD! On a serious note; this card should have been in when the cube was first built. I think it is a solid replacement, even though my Thief is foil. /cry
Faerie Conclave: Another card that should have been in the cube immediately. I honestly thought it was until I was looking through the Genjus / Embodiment interactions. The cut was a bit harder for me. I don't think I have ever seen Geist played before, though. What are your guys thoughts on this? (PROMO WITHOUT THE RARE SYMBOL!!)
Diabolic Servitude: I need/want to up the reanimate package in my cube. Any other suggestions for me? It has been too weak the few times it has been attempted.
Conclave Naturalists: As per Squirrely's suggestions. I decided to keep beast and naturalize in (Also Rec Sage). May be a bit much on removal... Full arts though...
Reflector Mage: I like the idea of this card (haven't played it) and I also love the idea of Thunderclap... but it just never seems to play out right. I can't bring myself to cut my other two Azo cards, either.
That about does it for this update. There are a few cards that I gathered and I have misplaced somewhere (Baloth Null, Stitched Mangler, and the Embodiments (which I probs won't put in now)).
I am trying to decide if I should take out the double faced cards I have, also. There were a few DFCs I wanted to add from SOI, but as I mentioned before, my playgroup isn't the brightest. They can't remember a single card (so they will be taking everything out every time it comes around). I "think" the only two I have is Reckless Waif and Cloistered Youth. I especially like Youth, though. The cards I was looking at were Heir of Falkenrath, Village Messenger, Skin Invasion, and Duskwatch Recruiter... which is all but one of the cards I originally wanted from SOI. zzzzz Opinions?
Let me know what you think of the cuts/adds and also the DFC opinions. Thanks!!
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I REALLY wish it had a little less foil bend. It isn't TERRIBLE, but it still bugs the hell out of me. The Seeker of the Way in the background is actually 3890x worse. I bought a playset and I can make a dang bracelet out of the things...
SO, what does this mean? I GET TO ADD 14 MORE CARDS TO MY CUBE! Me wants your help!
I only have one at the moment I think I want to add that I physically own right now; Stasis Snare (I have the promo). Other cards I may include are:
Path to Exile
Unearth
Inquisition of Kozilek
Regrowth?
If you have time, go through and find some cards that I am dumb and not including so far in my cube. 3 of each color (2 for black since Booster Tutor is one) will be added. I will be doing the same thing when I have free time (probably not this weekend...).
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Who wants a foil booster tutor????
Draft it on Cubetutor here, and CubeCobra here.
Treasure Cruise did nothing wrong.
My Glimpse draft deck was solid as can be. I went mono black with a good removal suite, great creatures, and Gary and Angler as the top end and went 2-0. Wasn't very close at all.
SOME idiot (me) out there is buying them. Yeah, guilty. I wanted it, though. Don't judge me.
I like quite a bit of these suggestions. I DID just get a Ghostly Prison in. I am hesitant due to how strong it can be and how little some people think of it. And no, I am not doing online downshifts. If it has a gold symbol on the card, I won't run it. That includes promos (Gitaxian Probe is the only one at the moment that breaks this rule. I need to replace it). I have went to put in Merfolk Looter a good three times already and always forget... I am really interested in that Phyrexian Ingester coming out in Eternal Masters, though.
I haven't decided 100% on the other 14 cards I want to add quite yet, but that certainly helps. Hopefully I can get a solid list together by this weekend. We shall see. Thanks for the input.
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The whole bottom row are for the cube, top row is for my MiniCube (so ignore). I don't have Tooth Collector in quite yet, but I have been eyeballing it and it was cheap/good condition. I also ordered a couple more through the mail, so I should have them this week. Makes me excited!
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Centaur Glade > Somberwald Stag
Joraga Treespeaker > Kessig Prowler
Mulch > Grapple with the Past
Curious Homunculus
Phyrexian Ingester
Merfolk Looter
Smoldering Werewolf (I need a Flametongue Kavu)
Savage Alliance
Weaver of Lightning
Duskwatch Recruiter
Blessed Alliance
Noose Constrictor
Strangleroot Geist
Tooth Collector
Booster Tutor
Heir of Falkenrath
Path to Exile
Stasis Snare
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Also I (still) really don't like Blessed Alliance. I want my removal to be consistent, and while this has upsides it'll also run into situations where it removes a random 1/1 instead of the huge attacking threat that you actually want to hit.
Yeah, Blessed Alliance doesn't seem too hot in about half the situations. I agree. But, you see... I got this pretty foil... Haha. It will certainly be one of the first cuts once I find a more suitable card. I had been pushing off this Booster Tutor update for a while and got antsy and just threw in what I had instead of evaluating everything. There's a few other things I need to do to my cube as well (like drop one green card and put in Epochrasite, I accidently ordered the rare version...)
As always, thanks for the input.
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T1 Treespeaker
T2 level-up and you even get to play another 2-drop (green or colorless)
T3 you have FIVE mana available, etc, win the game
Makes sense when you actually go past that. Throwing out an Acidic Slime and drop them down a land on turn 3 sounds hilariously evil.
What to take out instead. Commune with the Gods, Burning-Tree Emissary, Wild Nacatl, Undercity Troll, or... Do any of those cards seem like a good option?
I actually need to take out one additional card since my Green is 1 heavy (and I want Epochrasite).
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It's one of green's 5 best cards, probably
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I'm not a huge fan of Commune either, but it's at least a nice signal that you can build around some graveyard interactions.
These are the cards I am looking at. OBVIOUSLY not all these are going in. Just cards I am going to start looking for foil copies of. Once I get a few, I will return with what I cut to put them in!
ALLLL advice, suggestions, comments, tips, love, and hate are appreciated.
Skyship Plunderer
Vengeful Rebel
Aether Chaser
Ridgescale Tusker
Treasure Keeper
Untethered Express
Gifted Aetherborn
Narnam Renegade
Fatal Push
Wrangle
Maulfist Revolutionary
Renegade Wheelsmith
Aerial Responder
Voltaic Brawler
Aether Hub
Fairgrounds Warden
Arborback Stomper
Blossoming Defense
Nature's Way
Filigree Familiar
Thriving Grubs
Ash Barrens
Migratory Route
Orzhov Advokist
Manaplasm
Palace Jailer
Animus of Predation
Abundant Maw
Wretched Gryff
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Shrine of Loyal Legions > Epochrasite
Foundry of the Consuls > Aether Hub
Wild Nacatl > Joraga Treespeaker
Strangleroot Geist > Manaplasm
Banisher Priest > Fairgrounds Warden
Blessed Alliance > Aerial Responder
Curse of Predation > Gaea's Anthem
Gravetiller Wurm > Animus of Predation
Epochrasite was only out because I wanted an uncommon printing (I only had rare). Shrine can be unfun.
Aether Hub is good, Foundry is not.
Joraga Treespeaker should never have been taken out. Wild Nacatyl upsets me due to identity.
Manaplasm looks like it could be entertaining. Not quite enough Green Aggro support in my cube for Geist?
Fairgrounds Warden is just an easier to cast B.Priest.
Whitehawk (Aerial Responder) is fantastic. B.Alliance hadn't been pulling weight.
Gaea's Anthem seems more fair than Curse of Predation.
Animus of Predation looks super fun! Not sure if I cut the right thing. Gravetiller is pretty good...
I still have a few cards I am looking to slot in, but not 100% sure they will make it by Saturday.
I will probably have one more post before the weekend. I wouldn't mind someone picking apart my cube if you have free time. Thanks everyone, as always.
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I ended up winning the night. If the Orzhov deck that ran 820 removal spells wouldn't have gotten mana screwed 2 games back to back, he probably would have won out.
Here is my deck I ran. Nothing fancy:
1 Joraga Treespeaker
1 Remand
1 Frost Walker
1 Quickling
1 Sheltering Word
1 Miscalculation
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Wall of Blossoms
1 Into the Roil
1 Manaplasm
1 Hour of Need
1 Serendib Efreet
1 Ninja of the Deep Hours
1 Control Magic
1 Mulldrifter
1 Riftwing Cloudskate
1 Animus of Predation
1 Jetting Glasskite
1 Skysnare Spider
1 Phyrexian Ingester
1 Pelakka Wurm
1 Treasure Cruise
1 Seaside Citadel
1 Opulent Palace
1 Aether Hub
8 Island
8 Forest
ALSO! Picked up a few foils here and there. BUT, the biggest and sexiest one I got was:
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