Managed to get a Recurring Nightmare yesterday in trade. $$$ wise not a big get but it's something I had been on the lookout for a while and hadn't seen in any binders.
Survival of the fittest is on it's way and once that arrives I feel like I have ticked all the boxes on what people expect of a 360 cube. There are a few rough edges but the missing pieces don't feel so urgent so I am feeling pretty happy with myself right now. Gideon and Liliana are also on their way.
Gold, Lands and Colorless
Grim Monolith will replace Nevinyrral's Disk
Hangerback Walker will replace Mind Stone
Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Delver of Secrets
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Clever Impersonator
Daze will replace Compulsive research
Red
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif
White
Reveilark will replace Iona
Gideon (flip walker)will replace Soltari Trooper
Relic Seeker will replace Cloistered Youth
Green
Lotus Cobra will replace rampant Growth
Survival of the Fittest will replace Troll Ascetic
Garruk Wildspeaker will replace Gaes Cradle
Song of the Dryads will replace Beast Within
Green Suns Zenith will replace Become Immense
Black
Liliana (flip walker) will replace Putrid Imp
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence
These changes look great, I'm really looking forward to playing your cube again. I'm not sure if you ever had the chance to play Recurring Nightmare back in the day, but you're really going to love it in cube. There's only one change that doesn't quite gel for me:
Garruk Wildspeaker will replace Gaea's Cradle
Gaea's Cradle may not be in every cube around here, but it can be so good in a super ramp or tokens deck it would be a shame to see you cut it since you already have one on hand, and you really support ramp. Might I suggest cutting Harmonize, Mayor of Avabruck, or Vinelasher Kudzu instead? All of these seem less essential at 360.
Also, speaking of green ramp, let me know if you'd like a Fyndhorn Elves to replace that Elves of Deep Shadow in your cube. I have an extra copy of the original with that hideous Ice Age art and the outdated rules text that says "Play this ability as an interrupt." You'll love it.
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Also, speaking of green ramp, let me know if you'd like a Fyndhorn Elves to replace that Elves of Deep Shadow in your cube. I have an extra copy of the original with that hideous Ice Age art and the outdated rules text that says "Play this ability as an interrupt." You'll love it.
Definitely fits my green theme. Green is the only colour with Korean cards and I also (deliberately) use my green bordered Serendib Efreet over my foil blue copy. A reference to a no longer existing card type would be great.
Green and Blue parts of the list need a bit of a cleanup. Troll Ascetic is actually already cut so it's Vinelasher Kadzu who will be leaving when Survival of the Fittest arrives. Most of the fatties are meant to be cheated into play so I probably haven't paid enough attention to the ramp archetype. The new Ulamog coming in at 10 instead of 11 looks actually castable and Garruk would actually be fun WITH cradle. Always good to get a few potential cuts to keep an eye on.
I've actually had green drafters accidentally pick that Serendib Efreet thinking it was on color, and I'm still looking for a 6th edition copy of Mystical Tutor so that people stop trying to fetch Islands with it.
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Knocked off some biggies with Survival of the Fittest and some flip walkers.
Temporarily added the Time Vault combo for marketing reasons. Wouldn't be the meanest cube ever made without it
Will now get moving on some of the little stuff though none of it feels egregious to cube with out. Time for me to update the first page list as well. I will put that on the to do list once treachery is obtained.
I was very sad to cut Putrid imp but with the new Drana we are getting pretty close to black aggro actually being a good archetype.
Gold, Lands and Colorless
Grim Monolith will replace Mind Stone
Hangerback Walker will replace Nevinyrral's Disk
Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Delver of Secrets
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Clever Impersonator
Daze will replace Compulsive research
Red
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif
White
Reveilark will replace Iona
Relic Seeker will replace Cloistered Youth
Green
Lotus Cobra will replace Rampant Growth
Garruk Wildspeaker will replace Troll Ascetic
Song of the Dryads will replace Beast Within
Green Suns Zenith will replace Become Immense
Black
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence
Ophiomancer will replace Mardu Strike Leader
All of these look like rock solid changes to me except I wouldn't cut Mind Stone. Any plans for a BFZ update?
By not cutting Mind Stone do you mean not adding Grim Monolith?
From BFZ very little. The man lands are the best cycle NOT making the cut at 360. So I am looking to grab them for the sideboard if I ever need to accommodate 10 drafters. New Ulamog, Gideon and Drana are certainties.
Ob Nixilis is interesting as there aren't many Black Walker options. Stasis Snare having flash and Carrier Thrall I will keep tabs on. Maybe Expedition Envoy will replace Elite Vanguard for aesthetic reasons
Acidic Slime is one of my favorite things to grab with GSZ because it's such a versatile answer that's also a pretty reliable 2-for-1. I think the best cut from your list is Mayor of Avabruck, it can be hard to flip without Time Walking yourself, and your list isn't really supporting green aggro. Call of the Herd and Harmonize also seem like reasonable cuts.
That's a rough cut, a little piece of me died when I cut Hypnotic Specter recently for Drana, Liberator of Malakir. I kept Mardu Strike Leader for the splashable, flexible mana cost, and I think it was the right choice. In your case, however, I'd cut Desecration Demon before either.
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I don't play many manlands (which reminds me to fit in Mutavault) so the destroy a land part isn't as relevant. Just feels like a more expensive harder to splash reclamation sage. I think Exploration is unnecessary overkill in green so that frees up a spot though. When I get time I will check out the new commander spoiler and if there is nothing that gabs me the snake looks safe.
Agree with your call on the black cards.
Gold, Lands and Colorless
Grim Monolith will replace Basalt Monolith
Hangerback Walker will replace Nevinyrral's Disk
Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Delver of Secrets
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Stratus Dancer
Daze will replace Compulsive research
Red
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif
White
Reveilark will replace Iona
Relic Seeker will replace Cloistered Youth
Green
Lotus Cobra will replace Rampant Growth
Green Suns Zenith will replace Exploration
Black
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence
Ophiomancer will replace Desecration Demon
Picked up a Welder to finish red and get the artifact theme to what feels like it's critical mass.
Added nothing from the new Commander sets despite it looking like a nicely designed set. There are 4 blue cards on the list but blue already feels like the strongest colour so I am not in a rush.
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Gold, Lands and Colorless Grim Monolith will replace something
These all look like solid changes except for this one:
I think the best cut from your list is Mayor of Avabruck, it can be hard to flip without Time Walking yourself, and your list isn't really supporting green aggro. Call of the Herd and Harmonize also seem like reasonable cuts.
I don't really see him as a strictly beatdown card. More like a Tarmogoyf in that he can put some pressure on and keep your opponents honest if they are doing nothing but he only costs two mana. You don't have to worry about flipping him straight away and it quickly gets to the stage where you can drop him and do something else/keep mana up on your turn.
Eventually he can just win the game by himself which is a good return for two mana.
Have acquired most of the cards I want but still on the wanted list are:
Flip Jace
Daze
Kalitas
Craterhoof Behemoth
Chandra Torch of Defiance
Selfless Spirit
Hanweir Garrison
Right now i'm pondering wether to make room for a Lilliana, Death's Majesty I acquired and whether The Abyss, Living Death or Ob Nixlis should be the cut.
I'd keep Living Death for sure, add Liliana, and then cut the other black card for something else. You are missing the amazing Ophiomancer and also Skinrender. I like them and Liliana more than The Abyss and Ob Nixilis.
Can you speak to your experiences with Oath of Druids? I have enjoyed the card in constructed formats for many years, but cube is a different animal.
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It's a lot of fun and I nice little tricky build around that's much better if you get it in the first pack than the third.I play and support a lot of fattie cheating strategies (reanimator, channel, sneak and show) so it's definitely viable.
It's also a lot of fun in that it is super powerful but players feel like they earned it.
I'd keep Living Death for sure, add Liliana, and then cut the other black card for something else. You are missing the amazing Ophiomancer and also Skinrender. I like them and Liliana more than The Abyss and Ob Nixilis.
Cheers, definitely adding Ophiomancer to my shopping list. Kind of bummed that I traded mine away
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Survival of the fittest is on it's way and once that arrives I feel like I have ticked all the boxes on what people expect of a 360 cube. There are a few rough edges but the missing pieces don't feel so urgent so I am feeling pretty happy with myself right now. Gideon and Liliana are also on their way.
Gold, Lands and Colorless
Grim Monolith will replace Nevinyrral's Disk
Hangerback Walker will replace Mind Stone
Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Delver of Secrets
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Clever Impersonator
Daze will replace Compulsive research
Red
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif
White
Reveilark will replace Iona
Gideon (flip walker)will replace Soltari Trooper
Relic Seeker will replace Cloistered Youth
Green
Lotus Cobra will replace rampant Growth
Survival of the Fittest will replace Troll Ascetic
Garruk Wildspeaker will replace Gaes Cradle
Song of the Dryads will replace Beast Within
Green Suns Zenith will replace Become Immense
Black
Liliana (flip walker) will replace Putrid Imp
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence
Gaea's Cradle may not be in every cube around here, but it can be so good in a super ramp or tokens deck it would be a shame to see you cut it since you already have one on hand, and you really support ramp. Might I suggest cutting Harmonize, Mayor of Avabruck, or Vinelasher Kudzu instead? All of these seem less essential at 360.
Also, speaking of green ramp, let me know if you'd like a Fyndhorn Elves to replace that Elves of Deep Shadow in your cube. I have an extra copy of the original with that hideous Ice Age art and the outdated rules text that says "Play this ability as an interrupt." You'll love it.
450 card Peasant cube thread. Draft it here.
Definitely fits my green theme. Green is the only colour with Korean cards and I also (deliberately) use my green bordered Serendib Efreet over my foil blue copy. A reference to a no longer existing card type would be great.
Green and Blue parts of the list need a bit of a cleanup. Troll Ascetic is actually already cut so it's Vinelasher Kadzu who will be leaving when Survival of the Fittest arrives. Most of the fatties are meant to be cheated into play so I probably haven't paid enough attention to the ramp archetype. The new Ulamog coming in at 10 instead of 11 looks actually castable and Garruk would actually be fun WITH cradle. Always good to get a few potential cuts to keep an eye on.
450 card Peasant cube thread. Draft it here.
Temporarily added the Time Vault combo for marketing reasons. Wouldn't be the meanest cube ever made without it
Will now get moving on some of the little stuff though none of it feels egregious to cube with out. Time for me to update the first page list as well. I will put that on the to do list once treachery is obtained.
I was very sad to cut Putrid imp but with the new Drana we are getting pretty close to black aggro actually being a good archetype.
Gold, Lands and Colorless
Grim Monolith will replace Mind Stone
Hangerback Walker will replace Nevinyrral's Disk
Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Delver of Secrets
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Clever Impersonator
Daze will replace Compulsive research
Red
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif
White
Reveilark will replace Iona
Relic Seeker will replace Cloistered Youth
Green
Lotus Cobra will replace Rampant Growth
Garruk Wildspeaker will replace Troll Ascetic
Song of the Dryads will replace Beast Within
Green Suns Zenith will replace Become Immense
Black
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence
Ophiomancer will replace Mardu Strike Leader
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By not cutting Mind Stone do you mean not adding Grim Monolith?
From BFZ very little. The man lands are the best cycle NOT making the cut at 360. So I am looking to grab them for the sideboard if I ever need to accommodate 10 drafters. New Ulamog, Gideon and Drana are certainties.
Ob Nixilis is interesting as there aren't many Black Walker options. Stasis Snare having flash and Carrier Thrall I will keep tabs on. Maybe Expedition Envoy will replace Elite Vanguard for aesthetic reasons
Pretty much just those 3 though.
No, Grim Monolith's awesome. I mean I'd cut something else. Basalt Monolith would be my cut.
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I'm definitely on board with that swap.
Gold, Lands and Colorless
Grim Monolith will replace Basalt Monolith
Hangerback Walker will replace Nevinyrral's Disk
Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Delver of Secrets
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Stratus Dancer
Daze will replace Compulsive research
Red
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif
White
Reveilark will replace Iona
Relic Seeker will replace Cloistered Youth
Green
Lotus Cobra will replace Rampant Growth
Green Suns Zenith will replace Acidic Slime
Black
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence
Ophiomancer will replace Mardu Strike Leader/Hypnotic Spectre
Acidic Slime is one of my favorite things to grab with GSZ because it's such a versatile answer that's also a pretty reliable 2-for-1. I think the best cut from your list is Mayor of Avabruck, it can be hard to flip without Time Walking yourself, and your list isn't really supporting green aggro. Call of the Herd and Harmonize also seem like reasonable cuts.
That's a rough cut, a little piece of me died when I cut Hypnotic Specter recently for Drana, Liberator of Malakir. I kept Mardu Strike Leader for the splashable, flexible mana cost, and I think it was the right choice. In your case, however, I'd cut Desecration Demon before either.
450 card Peasant cube thread. Draft it here.
Agree with your call on the black cards.
Gold, Lands and Colorless
Grim Monolith will replace Basalt Monolith
Hangerback Walker will replace Nevinyrral's Disk
Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Delver of Secrets
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Stratus Dancer
Daze will replace Compulsive research
Red
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif
White
Reveilark will replace Iona
Relic Seeker will replace Cloistered Youth
Green
Lotus Cobra will replace Rampant Growth
Green Suns Zenith will replace Exploration
Black
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence
Ophiomancer will replace Desecration Demon
Added nothing from the new Commander sets despite it looking like a nicely designed set. There are 4 blue cards on the list but blue already feels like the strongest colour so I am not in a rush.
The Want List
Gold, Lands and Colorless
Grim Monolith will replace something
Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Delver of Secrets
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Stratus Dancer
White
Reveilark will replace Iona
Green
Lotus Cobra will replace Rampant Growth
Green Suns Zenith will replace Exploration
Black
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence
I don't really see him as a strictly beatdown card. More like a Tarmogoyf in that he can put some pressure on and keep your opponents honest if they are doing nothing but he only costs two mana. You don't have to worry about flipping him straight away and it quickly gets to the stage where you can drop him and do something else/keep mana up on your turn.
Eventually he can just win the game by himself which is a good return for two mana.
Have acquired most of the cards I want but still on the wanted list are:
Flip Jace
Daze
Kalitas
Craterhoof Behemoth
Chandra Torch of Defiance
Selfless Spirit
Hanweir Garrison
Right now i'm pondering wether to make room for a Lilliana, Death's Majesty I acquired and whether The Abyss, Living Death or Ob Nixlis should be the cut.
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Can you speak to your experiences with Oath of Druids? I have enjoyed the card in constructed formats for many years, but cube is a different animal.
Thanks
It's a lot of fun and I nice little tricky build around that's much better if you get it in the first pack than the third.I play and support a lot of fattie cheating strategies (reanimator, channel, sneak and show) so it's definitely viable.
It's also a lot of fun in that it is super powerful but players feel like they earned it.
Cheers, definitely adding Ophiomancer to my shopping list. Kind of bummed that I traded mine away