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#46 Sep 26, 2010
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yeah 360 card cubes are hard, that's why i run a 540. the only other cuttable card i'm seeing is eight-and-a-half-tails, and the number one card i wouldn't cut from your list is probably akroma's vengeance. condemn and harm's way can go for sure.

at a cube this small you have to make some difficult choices. you could just play the best of the best or you could cut cards like white knight and silver knight for cards like ronom unicorn and stormfront pegasus because they're easier to play outside of heavy white. i'm not sure i'd do that but i really like both those cards so it would be tough. again, this is why i don't run a 360 card cube.

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#48 Sep 26, 2010
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To get down to 50 cards in white, I would cut 1 small creature (Weathered Wayfarer /Eight-and-a-Half-Tails / Silver Knight / White Knight / the second 2/1 fliers) , 1 fatty of choice (Karmic Guide / Sun Titan / Akroma, Angel of Wrath) and 1 removal spell (Condemn / Harm's Way).

except i'd definitely cut both those removal spells to avoid cutting something amazing like karmic guide, sun titan, or akroma. i don't think either spell has any business being in a 360 card cube.

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When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
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I agree with eidolon. Out of what he lists, I'd cut Weathered Wayfarer, Karmic Guide, and Condemn.

Wayfarer was never that great for us. It either did nothing (I was ahead on lands) or it was good until it started to do nothing.

Karmic Guide as been good for us, but not so good that she'd survive to see 360. I haven't had enough testing with the white Titan yet and Akroma is just a fun classic card.

The attacking clause on Condemn ruins it.

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Because I really loved the Knight/Eight-And-A-Half-Tails, I think I’ll agree with cutting Weathered Wayfarer. Now, for Karmic Guide vs Harm’s Way. I’m embarrassed, I actually count the card quantities wrong. So there is actually would be 50 cards with both of them in. I might have to cut Karmic Guide when I add in balance through, as it look to me like the next weakest card of the bunch.

Now I guess I’ll do blue and black at once. There’s actually much less problems with them than white.
Blue
Ninja of the Deep Hours
Merfolk Looter
Aeon Chronicler
Lighthouse Chronologist
Deep-Sea Kraken
Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar
Zuran Spellcaster
Serendib Sorcerer
Surrakar Spellblade
Renegade Doppelganger
Calcite Snapper

Training Grounds
Distortion Strike
Spreading Seas
Ovinize
Foresee
Cancel
Essence Scatter
Spell Pierce
Treasure Hunt
Redirect
Deprive
Mind Control
Negate
Jace's Ingenuity

Black
Nihilistic Glee
Sadistic Sacrament
Distress
Scrounge
Mire's Toll
Yukora, the Prisoner
Guul Draz Specter
Plagued Rusalka
Gravedigger
Dark Banishing
Corrupt
Rise from the Grave
Carrion Feeder
Chill to the Bone
Consume Spirit
Hideous End
Throat Slitter
Tendrils of Corruption
Phyrexian Negator
Consume the Meek
Vendetta
Beacon of Unrest
Living Death
Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief

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#53 Sep 26, 2010
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karmic guide blows harm's way out of the water.

i agree with eidolon that you could drop any of those blue or black cards.

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#54 Sep 26, 2010
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I also like the Guide a lot. Reanimation spells shouldn't be broken open by blink/bounce/recursion effects. Being strapped to a body makes it a really impressive creature. And the protection is occasionally very important.

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#55 Sep 27, 2010
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Here’s the cut with Red and Green. I saved some cards due to needing to fill the 50 cards space, but we’ll see how it goes.

Red
Orcish Cannonade
World at War
Elemental Appeal
Fatal Frenzy
Grapeshot
Heartless Hidetsugu
Clickslither
Scorched Rusalka
Empty the Warrens
Tuktuk the Explorer
Conquering Manticore
Seething Song
Kiln Fiend
Wheel of Fate
Tarfire
Form of the Dragon
Punishing Fire
Shock
Rakdos Pit Dragon
Chandra's Outrage
Browbeat
Reckless Charge
Lord of Shatterskull Pass
Seal of Fire
Mogg War Marshal
Ball Lightning
Searing Blaze
Volcanic Fallout
Rorix Bladewing
Urza's Rage

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Verdant Embrace
Dramatic Entrance
Khalni Heart Expedition
Khalni Hydra
Tajuru Preserver

Druid of the Anima
Taunting Elf
Tukatongue Thallid
Essence Warden
Canopy Cover

Mirri, Cat Warrior
Kazandu Tuskcaller
Overgrown Battlement
Fertile Ground
Summoning Trap

Gaea's Revenge
Terra Stomper
Protean Hulk
Momentous Fall
Mitotic Slime

Awakening Zone
Giant Growth
Sylvan Ranger
Search for Tomorrow
Oracle of Mul Daya

Scute Mob
Pelakka Wurm
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#57 Sep 27, 2010
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What are some of the cards that might find a home, Eidolon? I"m actually quite interested in those because I might expand the cube to 400 cards instead of 360 because of the tight white section.

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Before I continue with the artifacts, I take the time to look at the creatures spell portion. And I noticed that it’s not that balance. Will this create problems?

White
Creatures: 27
Spells: 23

Blue
Creatures: 18
Spells: 32

Black
Creatures: 22
Spells: 28

Red
Creatures: 24
Spells: 26

Green
Creatures: 34
Spells: 16

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#61 Sep 27, 2010
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In that case, I guess the following cards would count as creatures spell?

Blue
Veldalken Shackles
Control Magic
Rite of Replication

Black
Reanimate
Sarcomancy
Animate Dead
Makeshift Mannequin

Green
Rude Awakening

If it is, then my section would look like this, I guess

White
Creatures: 27
Spells: 23

Blue
Creatures: 21
Spells: 29

Black
Creatures: 26
Spells: 24

Red
Creatures: 24
Spells: 26

Green
Creatures: 35
Spells: 15

Is there any color where there would be a problem still? If there is, I guess I’ll swap some cards out.

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It's not problem unless you notice it's a problem. If you feel you need more creatures, re-classifying cards that are already in the cube as creatures won't make any difference.

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the only card on that list that i think makes the cut in a mid sized cube is pelakka wurm but i don't run it, myself.

i would add more creatures in red and black but wtwlf is right, it's more of a direct feedback thing rather than a classification thing. if you play the cube and it seems fine, then it's fine. if it seems creature light, percentages won't mean it isn't.

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When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
#66 Sep 30, 2010
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The following cards had just arrive:

Keiga, the tide star
Bribery

Genesis

Any ideas what I should take out for them? I’m thinking maybe Aether Adept and Sea Gate Oracle, and perhaps Arbor Elf for Genesis.

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#67 Oct 1, 2010
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I think Adept, Oracle, and Elf are the best cuts you could do for those three. Your list is really tight and any other suggestions are disputable (Draining Whelk, Rude Awakening, Hinder).

Also, I noticed you have Vedillion Clique listed twice.

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It turn out that second Vedillion Clique do count toward the 50th card in the cube, so Aether Adapt got to stay while Bribery and Keiga was added.

As for green, I consider that option before, but for now I'll keep it this way. It's just that Arbor Elf don't feel as impressive as Rude Awakening or Brairhorn

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#70 Oct 1, 2010
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i think the adept is great and i wouldn't remove it. arbor elf and sea gate oracle seem like fine cuts, and i think whelk is another good cut.

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When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
#71 Oct 1, 2010
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Here's a new little update. Except that I don't know which card I should cut for it, probably going to be one of the spell.

+Necromancy

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seconded. you could also cut inquisition of kozilek since you have three such effects.

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When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
#74 Oct 2, 2010
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Not sure if it's that strong of a change, but

-Inquisition of Kozilek
-Reassembling Skeleton
+Necromancy
+Barter in Blood

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I have to agree with Eidolon here. Inquisition is pretty strong, and black can use three one drop targetted discard spells very well.

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Inquisition of Kozilek is indeed a great card. I might swap it with some other card at some point (maybe duress). I just don't want to cut too many creature in Black right now, at least.

Here's the newest 'addition'. I'll need to figure out how to make the format that Eidolon do for me for these cards.

Blood Crypt
Breeding Pool
Godless Shrine
Hallowed Fountain
Overgrown Tomb
Sacred Foundry
Steam Vents
Stomping Ground
Temple Garden
Watery Grave

Azorius Chancery
Dimir Aqueduct
Rakdos Carnarium
Gruul Turf
Selesnya Sanctuary
Orzhov Basilica
Golgari Rot Farm
Simic Growth Chamber
Izzet Boilerworks
Boros Garrison

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Some donated card arrived today. How does these changes look?

+Carnophage
-Grul Draz Assassin

+Nakrataal
-Sudden Death

+Bituminous Blast
-Shambling Remains

Also, Eilodon, do you mind trying to run my list with your program right now? I want to see how it’ll be like.

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I think I'd cut Disfigure over Sudden Death but the other changes look good.

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Some donated card arrived today. How does these changes look?

+Carnophage
-Grul Draz Assassin

+Nakrataal
-Sudden Death

+Bituminous Blast
-Shambling Remains

Also, Eilodon, do you mind trying to run my list with your program right now? I want to see how it’ll be like.
These are very good changes. Couldn't have made better swaps myself.

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#83 Oct 6, 2010
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Can you teach me to make a deckstat link? It's a little confusing.

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