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#1 Dec 22, 2011

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Cube Size: 720 Cards

Cube Breakdown: 96 Each Color, 72 Colorless, 96 Nonbasic Land, 72 Multi/Hybrid

Pack Breakdown Average (15 cards): Averages 2 Each Color, 1.5 Colorless, 2.25 Nonbasic Land, 1.25 Multi/Hybrid

Pack Creation: Balanced pool creation - completely random packs from balanced pool

Standard or Theme Cube: Standard

Average Draft: 6-8 players; Maximum 16 players

Cube Location: Johnson City, TN

Card Selection

Powered?: Partial

Portal?: Yes

"Un-" Cards?: No

DFC?: Yes

"Banned" Cards: ABU Moxen, Black Lotus, Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, Mana Vault, Ancestral Recall

Cube Design

Standard or Multiplayer: Standard

Snow Cube?: Yes, 300 Snow Basics (60 of each, Ice Age) although no snow cards are currently in the Cube

Sideboards?: Yes

Proxies?: No

Budget?: No

Functional Reprints?: Yes

Oddities: We have tried many oddities in the past (multiples of fetches, duals, Mishra's Factories, Alpha misprints, etc) but currently have none.

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White Creature 1x Champion of the Parish 1x Dauntless Bodyguard 1x Dragon Hunter 1x Elite Vanguard 1x Expedition Envoy 1x Isamaru, Hound of Konda 1x Kytheon, Hero of Akros 1x Mardu Woe-Reaper 1x Mother of Runes 1x Savannah Lions 1x Skymarcher Aspirant 1x Soldier of the Pantheon 1x Student of Warfare 1x Thraben Inspector 1x Accorder Paladin 1x Adanto Vanguard 1x Adorned Pouncer 1x Containment Priest 1x Glory-Bound Initiate 1x Imposing Sovereign 1x Kor Skyfisher 1x Leonin Relic-Warder 1x Lone Missionary 1x Remorseful Cleric 1x Selfless Spirit 1x Soltari Trooper 1x Stoneforge Mystic 1x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 1x Wall of Omens 1x Blade Splicer 1x Brightling 1x Brimaz, King of Oreskos 1x Flickerwisp 1x Hallowed Spiritkeeper 1x Loyal Retainers 1x Mirran Crusader 1x Mirror Entity 1x Monastery Mentor 1x Recruiter of the Guard 1x Soltari Champion 1x Thalia, Heretic Cathar 1x Gisela, the Broken Blade 1x Hero of Bladehold 1x Kor Sanctifiers 1x Leonin Warleader 1x Palace Jailer 1x Restoration Angel 1x Angel of Invention 1x Archangel Avacyn 1x Baneslayer Angel 1x Cloudgoat Ranger 1x Lyra Dawnbringer 1x Sun Titan 1x Angel of Serenity 1x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite 1x Iona, Shield of Emeria White Planeswalker 1x Gideon of the Trials 1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant 1x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar 1x Gideon Jura 1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion White Instant 1x Enlightened Tutor 1x Mana Tithe 1x Path to Exile 1x Swords to Plowshares 1x Disenchant 1x Raise the Alarm 1x Settle the Wreckage 1x Secure the Wastes 1x Unexpectedly Absent White Sorcery 1x Balance 1x Council's Judgment 1x Spectral Procession 1x Armageddon 1x Day of Judgment 1x Ravages of War 1x Wrath of God 1x Fumigate 1x Increasing Devotion 1x Catastrophe 1x Terminus 1x Entreat the Angels 1x Martial Coup White Enchantment 1x Land Tax 1x Legion's Landing 1x Journey to Nowhere 1x Seal of Cleansing 1x Banishing Light 1x Grasp of Fate 1x History of Benalia 1x Oblivion Ring 1x Cast Out 1x Faith's Fetters 1x Moat 1x Parallax Wave 1x 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Artifact 1x Vedalken Shackles Blue Instant 1x Daze 1x Force of Will 1x Brainstorm 1x Force Spike 1x Mystical Tutor 1x Spell Pierce 1x Censor 1x Counterspell 1x Cyclonic Rift 1x Flash 1x Impulse 1x Mana Drain 1x Mana Leak 1x Memory Lapse 1x Miscalculation 1x Negate 1x Remand 1x Complicate 1x Forbid 1x Psionic Blast 1x Supreme Will 1x Thirst for Knowledge 1x Cryptic Command 1x Fact or Fiction 1x Mystic Confluence 1x Condescend 1x Dig Through Time Blue Sorcery 1x Ancestral Vision 1x Personal Tutor 1x Ponder 1x Preordain 1x Serum Visions 1x Chart a Course 1x Time Walk 1x Compulsive Research 1x Show and Tell 1x Timetwister 1x Tinker 1x Deep Analysis 1x Baral's Expertise 1x Bribery 1x Time Spiral 1x Upheaval Blue Enchantment 1x Search for Azcanta 1x Standstill 1x Oath of Jace 1x Sphinx's Tutelage 1x Control Magic 1x Opposition 1x Treachery Black Creature 1x Bloodsoaked Champion 1x Carnophage 1x Carrion Feeder 1x Cryptbreaker 1x Diregraf Ghoul 1x Dread Wanderer 1x Gravecrawler 1x Putrid Imp 1x Sarcomancy 1x Vampire Lacerator 1x Asylum Visitor 1x Bloodghast 1x Dark Confidant 1x Dauthi Horror 1x Glint-Sleeve Siphoner 1x Heir of Falkenrath 1x Kitesail Freebooter 1x Nezumi Graverobber 1x Oona's Prowler 1x Pack Rat 1x Pain Seer 1x Bone Shredder 1x Drana, Liberator of Malakir 1x Flesh Carver 1x Isareth the Awakener 1x Liliana, Heretical Healer 1x Mardu Strike Leader 1x Ophiomancer 1x Ruin Raider 1x Vampire Nighthawk 1x Braids, Cabal Minion 1x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet 1x Nekrataal 1x Ravenous Chupacabra 1x Sewer Nemesis 1x Skinrender 1x Custodi Lich 1x Doom Whisperer 1x Shriekmaw 1x Demonlord Belzenlok 1x Grave Titan 1x Massacre Wurm 1x Distended Mindbender 1x Sheoldred, Whispering One 1x Griselbrand Black Planeswalker 1x Liliana of the Veil 1x Liliana, the Last Hope 1x Liliana, Death's Majesty	Black Artifact Creature 1x Scrapheap Scrounger Black Instant 1x Slaughter Pact 1x Snuff Out 1x Dark Ritual 1x Disfigure 1x Entomb 1x Fatal Push 1x Vampiric Tutor 1x Diabolic Edict 1x Doom Blade 1x Go for the Throat 1x Shallow Grave 1x Corpse Dance 1x Makeshift Mannequin 1x Wretched Confluence Black Sorcery 1x Despise 1x Divest 1x Duress 1x Imperial Seal 1x Inquisition of Kozilek 1x Reanimate 1x Thoughtseize 1x Chainer's Edict 1x Collective Brutality 1x Demonic Tutor 1x Exhume 1x Hymn to Tourach 1x Sinkhole 1x Buried Alive 1x Never // Return 1x Toxic Deluge 1x Consuming Vapors 1x Damnation 1x Languish 1x Ritual of Soot 1x Living Death 1x Mind Twist 1x Dark Salvation Black Enchantment 1x Animate Dead 1x Bitterblossom 1x Dance of the Dead 1x Necromancy 1x Phyrexian Arena 1x Recurring Nightmare 1x Diabolic Servitude 1x Nether Void 1x The Abyss Black Enchantment Creature 1x Gnarled Scarhide Red Creature 1x Falkenrath Gorger 1x Firedrinker Satyr 1x Goblin Glory Chaser 1x Goblin Guide 1x Goblin Welder 1x Greater Gargadon 1x Grim Lavamancer 1x Jackal Pup 1x Monastery Swiftspear 1x Reckless Waif 1x Stromkirk Noble 1x Village Messenger 1x Zurgo Bellstriker 1x Abbot of Keral Keep 1x Aether Chaser 1x Burning-Fist Minotaur 1x Dire Fleet Daredevil 1x Dismissive Pyromancer 1x Earthshaker Khenra 1x Goblin Cratermaker 1x Harsh Mentor 1x Hellspark Elemental 1x Kari Zev, Skyship Raider 1x Keldon Marauders 1x Mogg War Marshal 1x Plated Geopede 1x Stormblood Berserker 1x Young Pyromancer 1x Ahn-Crop Crasher 1x Feldon of the Third Path 1x Fire Imp 1x Goblin Rabblemaster 1x Hanweir Garrison 1x Imperial Recruiter 1x Ire Shaman 1x Legion Warboss 1x Manic Vandal 1x Najeela, the Blade-Blossom 1x Pia Nalaar 1x Avalanche Riders 1x Flametongue Kavu 1x Goblin Ruinblaster 1x Hazoret the Fervent 1x Hellrider 1x Hero of Oxid Ridge 1x Pia and Kiran Nalaar 1x Glorybringer 1x Siege-Gang Commander 1x Thundermaw Hellkite 1x Zealous Conscripts 1x Emissary of Grudges 1x Inferno Titan Red Planeswalker 1x Chandra, Pyromaster 1x Chandra, Torch of Defiance 1x Daretti, Scrap Savant 1x Koth of the Hammer 1x Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker 1x Chandra, Flamecaller Red Artifact Creature 1x Bomat Courier Red Artifact 1x Shrine of Burning Rage Red Instant 1x Fireblast 1x Burst Lightning 1x Lightning Bolt 1x Abrade 1x Incinerate 1x Lightning Strike 1x Magma Jet 1x Searing Blaze 1x Searing Blood 1x Searing Spear 1x Smash to Smithereens 1x Char 1x Staggershock 1x Through the Breach Red Sorcery 1x Chain Lightning 1x Faithless Looting 1x Firebolt 1x Forked Bolt 1x Arc Trail 1x Mizzium Mortars 1x Arc Lightning 1x Flames of the Firebrand 1x Hordeling Outburst 1x Sweltering Suns 1x Wheel of Fortune 1x Fiery Confluence 1x Burning of Xinye 1x Wildfire 1x Earthquake 1x Rolling Earthquake 1x Subterranean Tremors Red Enchantment 1x Genju of the Spires 1x Rivalry 1x Sulfuric Vortex 1x Sneak Attack Red Enchantment Creature 1x Purphoros, God of the Forge Green Creature 1x Arbor Elf 1x Avacyn's Pilgrim 1x Birds of Paradise 1x Boreal Druid 1x Elves of Deep Shadow 1x Elvish Mystic 1x Experiment One 1x Fyndhorn Elves 1x Joraga Treespeaker 1x Kessig Prowler 1x Llanowar Elves 1x Noble Hierarch 1x Pelt Collector 1x Devoted Druid 1x Dryad Greenseeker 1x Duskwatch Recruiter 1x Fauna Shaman 1x Lotus Cobra 1x Merfolk Branchwalker 1x Rattleclaw Mystic 1x Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary 1x Sakura-Tribe Elder 1x Scavenging Ooze 1x Strangleroot Geist 1x Sylvan Advocate 1x Sylvan Caryatid 1x Tarmogoyf 1x Wall of Blossoms 1x Wall of Roots 1x Ainok Survivalist 1x Den Protector 1x Eternal Witness 1x Jadelight Ranger 1x Manglehorn 1x Nissa, Vastwood Seer 1x Ramunap Excavator 1x Reclamation Sage 1x Rhonas the Indomitable 1x Somberwald Sage 1x Tireless Tracker 1x Yavimaya Elder 1x Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma 1x Master of the Wild Hunt 1x Obstinate Baloth 1x Oracle of Mul Daya 1x Polukranos, World Eater 1x Thrun, the Last Troll 1x Wickerbough Elder 1x Acidic Slime 1x Deranged Hermit 1x Kalonian Hydra 1x Thragtusk 1x Whisperwood Elemental 1x Wolfir Silverheart 1x Carnage Tyrant 1x Primeval Titan 1x Regal Behemoth 1x Avenger of Zendikar 1x Hornet Queen 1x Pelakka Wurm 1x Craterhoof Behemoth 1x 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#2 Dec 22, 2011
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Thanks, eidolon! Looks like I must have a typo somewhere since it thinks it is 719 cards...

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#6 Dec 23, 2011
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Thanks a ton for your help! I have added the forgotten card and swapped a card I realized was on my old list. It looks like my post is now complete with card tags - saweet!

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#7 Dec 31, 2011
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I like what you have going on here! Lots of awesome choices that make for interesting drafts. I've played a lot of cubes, powered/unpowered and small/large, and I can honestly say I like how a 720 unpowered cube plays the most. While the power-level is somewhat lower than say, a 360 powered, the variety in choices and cards that can be included makes for really enjoyable magic. I'm sure not everyone can say the same, but I can see that you share that opinion by having a cube structured in that way.

I'd love to hear your experiences/thoughts on a few of the cards you have included that I haven't had the opportunity to play with in cube:

-Stensia Bloodhall/Moorland Haunt/Nephalia Drownyard/Teetering Peeks/Desert (I saw your example about Bloodhall in the 2ndpost, but was interested in how the others have been)

-Silver-Inlaid Dagger

-Kiln Fiend

-Divert

Also, when glancing through your list I didn't see Exalted Angel. I'm going to assume it was a typo of some nature since that card is almost universal in cubes and for good reason. Overall though, cube looks real nice and I assume is hella fun to play.

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Quote from Darkmindtone
I like what you have going on here! Lots of awesome choices that make for interesting drafts. I've played a lot of cubes, powered/unpowered and small/large, and I can honestly say I like how a 720 unpowered cube plays the most. While the power-level is somewhat lower than say, a 360 powered, the variety in choices and cards that can be included makes for really enjoyable magic. I'm sure not everyone can say the same, but I can see that you share that opinion by having a cube structured in that way.

I'd love to hear your experiences/thoughts on a few of the cards you have included that I haven't had the opportunity to play with in cube:

-Stensia Bloodhall/Moorland Haunt/Nephalia Drownyard/Teetering Peeks/Desert (I saw your example about Bloodhall in the 2ndpost, but was interested in how the others have been)

-Silver-Inlaid Dagger

-Kiln Fiend

-Divert

Also, when glancing through your list I didn't see Exalted Angel. I'm going to assume it was a typo of some nature since that card is almost universal in cubes and for good reason. Overall though, cube looks real nice and I assume is hella fun to play.

Thanks man, I appreciate the positive feedback! Exalted Angel IS actually in my list, thanks! I was going back and forth with the destroy enchantment bears and Revoke Existence, but I accidentally included all of them and no Angel... I hope there are no other missed cards, but typing my list was quite a huge task haha.

As for some of those lands you asked about, Drownyard has been fantastic. In my playgroup, it is common for there to be an Esper/BUG/UB control drafter, and this guy is a great wincon for those decks. The synergies are pretty cool too, although not really the reason why it's here; I drafted a Drownyard midrange/control deck that included Sewer Nemesis which just got out of hand. I will pick this card pretty highly if I am in the right archetype.

The other lands you asked about have been decent, but obviously not insane. Teetering Peaks is not that great of a draft pick, but I promise it plays out better than Barbarian Ring. It gives better value for a R/x pick than a playable red creature when you are already swamped on spells. I actually lost to it about 3 hours ago in a close game 3... Peaks off the top gave him exactsies ftw. Peaks used to be Smoldering Spires, but Peaks gets more reliable value in the red aggro decks. I really liked Spires with Primeval Titan, but that was about the only deck where it was better.

Desert is fun but will not stick around forever. It has seen more play than when I used to run Ancient Tomb and Gemstone Mines, but it is somewhat narrow. I like it because you draft it aggressively if it is obvious that the one-drops are going early and when black and white aggro cards are completely shut off and are being aggressively drafted. It is the kind of card that adds to the skill of the actual draft itself. Sometimes Desert is exactly what you want for a control deck that is lacking on early answers but has a powerful mid/endgame.

I will say that Moorland Haunt is not amazing, but I really like supporting the UW aggressive archetype. My goal is for every two color combination to have a solid aggressive and midrange/control strategy so that drafts are as diverse as possible, and UW aggro has been one of the most difficult strategies to get my group to play. Divert is another card that supports U/x decks, and I will say that Divert is here to stay. In U/x aggro, Divert is a complete bomb against any other aggressive deck. I like the way it affects gameplay as well; you have to think "I saw Divert in the draft, and I am playing against an aggressive blue player... He is representing that he has something that costs U... Oh crap, do I play around Divert or get blown out here?"

Kiln Fiend is great in the fastest R/x decks. There's not much to say about him; I like him a lot, and he leads to some explosive wins.

Silver-Inlaid Dagger is in the Cube because I freaking love equipment. In the decks you want to play it, it is often better than Trusty Machete. Trusty Machete and the Dagger are pretty equal imo, and aggro has to play cards that let them beat Wrath effects and multiple 2-for-1's. The Dagger likes to see play in B,R, and W aggro decks that need staying power against control decks that are always killing or stalling your best threat.

Conclusion: I completely understand if people don't run Bloodhall, Peaks, Moorland Haunt, or Desert. I really like them right now though, and I especially like them over the other options that are available to me. I am willing to vouch strongly for Drownyard, Kiln Fiend, Divert, and Dagger; they are very popular in my group.

Edit: Found another missing card: Ink Eyes. We added her recently. List is updated.

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I am going to make a few changes today; I will edit the list later when they are complete.

- Glissa
- Chandra Nalaar

Chandra has been REALLY lackluster, and my group agreed that we rarely want to pick her. I have been waiting to drop Glissa, so I just decided to go ahead and do it.

+ Crime / Punishment
+ Boom / Bust

Crime / Punishment seems really cool, and I would love to try it out. I found the idea on Darkmindtone's list. Boom / Bust isn't exactly a replacement to Chandra on the curve, but I think it will be a really sweet card that plays out very differently for different archetypes. I think it will be picked a lot higher and maindecked a lot more often than 5-drop Chandra.

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Totally agree with eidolon. Chandra is in no danger of being cut from my 500 card cube.

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Chandra should definitely stay in. She's such a good planeswalker.

On another note, I don't understand the idea behind running 2 Armageddons, and not wanting to use Imperial Seal. That card is amazing, and if you allow Portal cards, it's an auto-include. There isn't a single black deck that wouldn't snap-include it.

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Chandra should definitely stay in. She's such a good planeswalker.

On another note, I don't understand the idea behind running 2 Armageddons, and not wanting to use Imperial Seal. That card is amazing, and if you allow Portal cards, it's an auto-include. There isn't a single black deck that wouldn't snap-include it.

You would play Vampiric Tutor and Imperial Seal in the same deck? I wouldn't.

Why does everyone like Chandra so much? She is at a clunky spot. She is terrible in an aggro deck, and in a control deck she only kills 1 guy before being killed if you are playing against aggro or semi-fast midrange. She is good in a control mirror, but why would I want a red 5-drop that is only situationally good in a control mirror?

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You would play Vampiric Tutor and Imperial Seal in the same deck? I wouldn't.

Why does everyone like Chandra so much? She is at a clunky spot. She is terrible in an aggro deck, and in a control deck she only kills 1 guy before being killed if you are playing against aggro or semi-fast midrange. She is good in a control mirror, but why would I want a red 5-drop that is only situationally good in a control mirror?

Chandra is actually one of my favorite planeswalkers for cube. She is one of those cards that really shines in limited as she usually completely warps a game when she comes down. So much loyalty with the ability to kill giant creatures that red normally has trouble dealing with (Baneslayer, Titans, etc). Against an aggro deck she is almost always a 2-for-1. If my red aggro deck is playing a 5-drop, it's almost always either Chandra or SGC due to how powerful both of them are.

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You would play Vampiric Tutor and Imperial Seal in the same deck? I wouldn't.

Why does everyone like Chandra so much? She is at a clunky spot. She is terrible in an aggro deck, and in a control deck she only kills 1 guy before being killed if you are playing against aggro or semi-fast midrange. She is good in a control mirror, but why would I want a red 5-drop that is only situationally good in a control mirror?

Chandra V1 can be a lightning rod, a cheap creature X-burn, can burn a planeswalker or a player down a tad, and the ultimate is gravy. More often than not, immediately when she's cast, I use its second ability to bring down a mid-sized creature, then leaving it as fodder to be attacked upon, or for future turns as planeswalker/player removal.

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You would play Vampiric Tutor and Imperial Seal in the same deck? I wouldn't.

Of course I would! I'd play both in every black deck.

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Chandra is actually one of my favorite planeswalkers for cube. She is one of those cards that really shines in limited as she usually completely warps a game when she comes down. So much loyalty with the ability to kill giant creatures that red normally has trouble dealing with (Baneslayer, Titans, etc). Against an aggro deck she is almost always a 2-for-1. If my red aggro deck is playing a 5-drop, it's almost always either Chandra or SGC due to how powerful both of them are.

Pretty much this.

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Totally agree with what darkmindtone and nightwing say about Chandra. Normally she kills two creatures or one creature and gets a couple points of damage in on the opponent. Additionally, she is one of the planeswalkers that most frequently goes ultimate in my cube and when she does you really can't lose.

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I would run Chandra at 360, comfortably. It's creature kill with card advantage and versatility, and it is also a one-card wincon.

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Haha OK well I will reconsider Chandra, since literally everyone loves her. It's funny how my list sits there for a while with little response, but everyone goes INSANE on the thread when I am about to cut Chandra haha. I really like Jeska though, so I will look at what to cut instead of her... I'm not a huge fan of Blistering Firecat, but it's sort of considered a 'staple.' I had a recent request for adding a non-X spell red sweeper, so I am thinking about Slagstorm, thoughts on that card?

I am also considering putting in Life from the Loam over something like Vines of Vastwood. I know a lot of people like Vines, but idk, it has been heavily under-played in my drafts. Note that I am making some changes recently because I just moved and have a lot of new people with new opinions playing with my Cube.

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I would certainly run Life from the Loam at 720 although it possibly improves as you downsize. It's pretty unique and does a whole load of stuff. I would also not cut Vines at 720. There're probably >30 cards I can see in your green section that I'd lose before Vines which is a borderline 360-400 IMO.

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I'm not a huge fan of Slagstorm, but it's probably good for a 720-card cube. However, you are not running Pyroclasm or Whipflare, two cards I'd add before Slagstorm. I'd probably cut Violent Eruption and Devastating Summons for Pyroclasm and Whipflare.

Blistering Firecat is pretty awesome. I'm really happy with it at 500 cards.

Life From the Loam is very good (although underdrafted in by my cubemates). However, Vines is not a good cut for it--Vines is green's best combat trick. To bring in Loam I would cut anyone of these: Explore, Into the North, Growth Spasm, Masked Admirers, Search for Tomorrow (really only good on turn 1), Nest Invader, or Jade Mage. I think I like Explore the least out of those, but LftL would be an improvement over anything in my list, IMO.

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I'm not a huge fan of Slagstorm, but it's probably good for a 720-card cube. However, you are not running Pyroclasm or Whipflare, two cards I'd add before Slagstorm. I'd probably cut Violent Eruption and Devastating Summons for Pyroclasm and Whipflare.

Blistering Firecat is pretty awesome. I'm really happy with it at 500 cards.

Life From the Loam is very good (although underdrafted in by my cubemates). However, Vines is not a good cut for it--Vines is green's best combat trick. To bring in Loam I would cut anyone of these: Explore, Into the North, Growth Spasm, Masked Admirers, Search for Tomorrow (really only good on turn 1), Nest Invader, or Jade Mage. I think I like Explore the least out of those, but LftL would be an improvement over anything in my list, IMO.

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I can get behind some of these suggestions. I think Explore will be the cut for Loam. Devastating Summons seems like a decent cut as well. I think Slagstorm's versatility is cool, and 3 over 2 is so relevant. Maybe I will find room for both Slagstorm and Pyroclasm and cut Starstorm and Devastating Summons; that sounds pretty good. I sort of like having Slagstorm over Whipflare, but I can't concretely say why.

I guess Vines will stay in; I agree that it's a very good card, it's just never been that popular in decks for some reason.

I got an Angelic Destiny today that I would like to find room for. It seems like it would e a really fun card to play.

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Leonin Arbiter is probably your worst card in white.
Other than that, you could also replace Transcendent Master, since that card also relies on you sinking a lot of mana into a small-medium sized creature and hope for the best.

Arbiter is a good cut. I will compile the changes when I get home.

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This is what I drafted tonight in a 6-man, and I went 3-0 (2-1, 2-0, 2-1). I just wanted to share this deck, because I felt like it was absolutely insane. I also wanted to show that after keeping Chandra in after being yelled at, I completely abused her, killing like 3 creatures with her in one game. I have drafted the Wildfire archetype before, but this deck was just so awesome considering it was a 6 man, and my Cube is 720 cards... Smile

Btw I won one game with Into the North into Mouth of Ronom which made me very, very happy...

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Hey thanks for the post in my thread, I appreciate the comments and its nice to have another 720 to compare with!

A couple questions after looking at your cube:

Do you find that your multi section seems somewhat scant? We like the larger section here and having it equally represented too.

Has Captain of the Watch been good for you? The card seems fine at 720, however I would expect to see cards like Yosei, the Morning Star or Sunblast Angel. I guess because you are already Cloudgoat Ranger and Geist-Honored Monk I wonder if you have a saturation of this type of effect?

In a powerful section like blue some cards seem out of place. Wind Zendikon, Shaper Parasite don't seem as fitting as some cards like Sphinx of Jwar Isle or Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir.

Have you tried Opposition in cube? I think it would fit nicely in your list.

Arcane Denial seems like a better fitting card than situational counterspells like Remove Soul, Negate, False Summoning.

Throat Slitter was always underwhelming in my cube how has it been for you?

Is mono-black a frequent archetype in your cube? Phyrexian Obliterator andLashwrithe seem quite narrow. Would Sorin Markov be better?

Any love for Jaya Ballard, Task Mage? She seems like she would fit a little better than cards like Skirk Marauder or Jeska, Warrior Adept.

Your land destruction looks very good, except Stone Rain is missing. Not good enough for your group?

If you haven't tried out Terastodon I would give him a shot. I think your ramp is good enough that you could cut a 2-drop for him.

Have you played with Garruk Relentless in your cube? I find him to be better than both other Garruks about 75% of the time.

One of our favorite cube cards is Rude Awakening. It wins about 99% of the games it is cast, and I think it would play wonderfully in your cube.

Sundering Titan is generally better than Artisan of Kozilek especially since you can Tinker for it, and it costs one less.

Just some thoughts!

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Hey thanks for the post in my thread, I appreciate the comments and its nice to have another 720 to compare with!

A couple questions after looking at your cube:

Do you find that your multi section seems somewhat scant? We like the larger section here and having it equally represented too.

Has Captain of the Watch been good for you? The card seems fine at 720, however I would expect to see cards like Yosei, the Morning Star or Sunblast Angel. I guess because you are already Cloudgoat Ranger and Geist-Honored Monk I wonder if you have a saturation of this type of effect?

In a powerful section like blue some cards seem out of place. Wind Zendikon, Shaper Parasite don't seem as fitting as some cards like Sphinx of Jwar Isle or Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir.

Have you tried Opposition in cube? I think it would fit nicely in your list.

Arcane Denial seems like a better fitting card than situational counterspells like Remove Soul, Negate, False Summoning.

Throat Slitter was always underwhelming in my cube how has it been for you?

Is mono-black a frequent archetype in your cube? Phyrexian Obliterator andLashwrithe seem quite narrow. Would Sorin Markov be better?

Any love for Jaya Ballard, Task Mage? She seems like she would fit a little better than cards like Skirk Marauder or Jeska, Warrior Adept.

Your land destruction looks very good, except Stone Rain is missing. Not good enough for your group?

If you haven't tried out Terastodon I would give him a shot. I think your ramp is good enough that you could cut a 2-drop for him.

Have you played with Garruk Relentless in your cube? I find him to be better than both other Garruks about 75% of the time.

One of our favorite cube cards is Rude Awakening. It wins about 99% of the games it is cast, and I think it would play wonderfully in your cube.

Sundering Titan is generally better than Artisan of Kozilek especially since you can Tinker for it, and it costs one less.

Just some thoughts!

Thanks for taking the time to look at my list! Most of the cards you mentioned are cards that have been in my list at some point. Let's see if I can address some of them specifically...

My multi section used to be 72 cards, but there were quite a few cards I didn't like. I didn't like how the higher density affected drafting, but I could see increasing this section in the future as they continue to print great multicolored cards. I'm pretty satisfied with this right now though.

Captain of the Watch isn't a card that I love per se, but it is a lot better than Yosei, which I played a while back. Sunblast Angel is a great card, but it plays such a weird role as a slot. I don't really want another Wrath effect against aggro, and it's pretty bad against a lot of decks. Captain of the Watch is just always good if it resolves, so it's sort of a safe slot.

Shaper Parasite is amazing. I suggest anybody try this guy who hasn't; it's easily better than a LOT of the cards that some people consider 'staples'... Wind Zendikon is iffy, but I like having some cards to support aggressive blue decks. It's really good at what it does for that archetype. Teferi was proving to be lackluster, so I took him out, and I don't have Sphinx simply because I like the fatty density right now. I want people to feel good about picking a fatty instead of just thinking that they will eventually see one because there are so many. I made a lot of changes when I tried to lower the overall cmc.

Opposition has been in my Cube before, but I guess not enough people caught on to how to use it. It was in so many sideboards, so I took it out.

I really hate Arcane Denial to be honest... haha. Especially in unpowered, large Cubes where you can't get random value from Ancestraling a dead Mox in hand. The Remove Soul countermagic cards are really, really good... Negate is not amazing, but it's not gonna go anywhere. The Remove Souls are essential for my drafts though.

Throat Slitter has been fun; I like what it does to gameplay if people know it was in the draft (or even if they just know that cards like that are in the Cube!).

Obliterator and Lashwrithe have been really fun for us. Mono black has been nifty, sometimes with a light splash. I don't like that they are dead pack 3 cards, but they are still really popular.

I don't like that Jaya Ballard is a card disadvantage 2/2 for 3 mana, whereas Skirk Marauder is a great value creature, and Jeska is just all-around undercosted and can act as removal at the same time. I think both of my creatures are a lot better than Jaya Ballard here.

Stone Rain might come back into my Cube if I take out Fulminator Mage for the new BR gal. I do like keeping a nice number of LD in the Cube.

Terastadon was in my Cube, but cards like him came out when I tried to streamline my fatties and bring down the average cmc a bit.

Garruk Relentless is great, but I don't run flip cards in my Cube.

Rude Awakening was very fun when I ran it, but it came out when I tried to lower the number of finishers and overall cmc. It is a better finisher than the creatures for sure, but it can't do anything else besides be a finisher - so I stuck with the more interactive and versatile creatures.

I could see Sundering Titan replace Artisan sometime in the future. Artisan is more powerful though imo but only goes in the stupid-amounts-of-mana ramp decks. Tinkering for Titan is relevant, but I think my other uses for that slot all favor the Artisan.

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Was browsing your list and wondering what were your experiences with the following cards:

*Overrun/Overwhelming Stampede: I've thought about the inclusion of these with the increase in token production lately, but been hesitant to pull the trigger yet.

*Angelic Destiny: I had completely forgotten about this card for a while, but I added it tonight and hope it will be as good as I assume.

*Mangara of Corondor: He seems like you have to do a bit of work to really make him awesome, but at the very least he's not the worst way to answer a planeswalker in a pinch.

*Raise the Alarm: I've looked at this card when brainstorming for my tokens push a month or two ago, but never went beyond that. Has it been good enough to recommend or is it a bit too dependent on anthems?

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I run Mangara, Hes good, but I also run Karakas. Raise the Alarm andOverwhelming Stampede both seem a little underwhelming.

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