Koth is perfectly fine in a deck with 6 mountains. Especially considering how often dual lands show up. You only need one for him to be good for the first few turns. You don't need more than one or two until he goes ultimate, and if he does that, any number of mountains is just fine.
And the Vortex doesn't require any more support than a card like Pillage, yet it completely dominates the game, and can come down much later.
Oh I dont like Spectral Lynx, or Mirran Crusader going out of white.
Kor Skyfisher, is much better than Soltari Trooper, imo.
Without Nezumi Graverobber or Sacavenging Ooze, there is nothing that stops graveyard recursion which is a boss in your stack.
Couldnt Crystal Shard be in artifacts? means you could get one more blue spell in.
Without Manic Vandals, or Viridian Shaman, the green Fraggle-dudes are CMC5, that is really expensive. Could one of Stomphowler/ or Slime (Slime I prefer tro play with as it gets lands, and death-touch over the big body tbh) one of them be Viridian Shaman? Or Mire Boa, for Shaman?
Is Wild Mongrel really 180 material?
No Grafted Wargear? but that is aggro's BFF!
Enclave Cryptoogist has been great for you, why would you take that out?
I have heard lots of good words about Final Fortune recently, have you thought of trying that out?
I think that Frantic Looting should be in as Wheel of Fortune-lite, you can just use Burning Inquiry as a proxy until DKA, it has been getting good success.
Profane Command should be Dismember, that is a really good card for 180 imo.
All in all, looks like a great list, and cant wait to play it against you magicmerl.
Oh I dont like Spectral Lynx, or Mirran Crusader going out of white. I would like to fit in Mirran Crusader. What would you cut for her? Reveillark?
Kor Skyfisher, is much better than Soltari Trooper, imo. I disagree. Skyfisher is weaksauce without moxen.
Without Nezumi Graverobber or Sacavenging Ooze, there is nothing that stops graveyard recursion which is a boss in your stack. I can definitely see bringing Scavenging Ooze in. Is Nezumi Graverobber good enough? What would I cut for them?
Couldnt Crystal Shard be in artifacts? means you could get one more blue spell in. No. It is blue.
Without Manic Vandals, or Viridian Shaman, the green Fraggle-dudes are CMC5, that is really expensive. Could one of Stomphowler/ or Slime (Slime I prefer tro play with as it gets lands, and death-touch over the big body tbh) one of them be Viridian Shaman? Or Mire Boa, for Shaman? I think that the 5-drop are better than the shaman. That was one of the things I wanted to test out, whether there was enough artifact removal with only 9 artifact destruction effects in the cube.
Is Wild Mongrel really 180 material? Possibly he should be cut for something. Let's give him a try.
No Grafted Wargear? but that is aggro's BFF! Hrmm, you're right. I think I will cut Smokestack for it.
Enclave Cryptoogist has been great for you, why would you take that out? Because blue is awesome? I mean, Remand is awesome too, but I just cut it as well.
I have heard lots of good words about Final Fortune recently, have you thought of trying that out? No, I don't think it's that great in normal cube.
I think that Frantic Looting should be in as Wheel of Fortune-lite, you can just use Burning Inquiry as a proxy until DKA, it has been getting good success. Erm, it's more Careful Study than Wheel of Fortune.
Profane Command should be Dismember, that is a really good card for 180 imo. I think that this is one to note, and maybe I'll make this change after the games. Wouldn't Doom Blade be the better cut?
All in all, looks like a great list, and cant wait to play it against you magicmerl.
Koth is perfectly fine in a deck with 6 mountains. Especially considering how often dual lands show up. You only need one for him to be good for the first few turns. You don't need more than one or two until he goes ultimate, and if he does that, any number of mountains is just fine.
And the Vortex doesn't require any more support than a card like Pillage, yet it completely dominates the game, and can come down much later.
Both cards are excellent for Winston.
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(Out -> In)
Spectral Lynx -> Balance
Magical Hacker -> Delver of Secrets
Condescend -> Ponder
Remand -> Phantasmal Image
Jace, Memory Adept -> Crystal Shard
Impulse -> Timetwister
Nezumi Graverobber -> Inquisition of Kozilek
Bone Shredder -> Skinrender
Jackal Pup -> Stormkirk Noble
Spikeshot Elder -> Grim Lavamancer
Manic Vandal -> Pillage
Call of the Herd -> Garruk Relentless
Rancor -> Joraga Treespeaker
Prismatic Lens -> Phyrexian Revoker
Making this:
1 Student of Warfare
1 Savannah Lions
1 Elite Vanguard
1 Steppe Lynx
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Soltari Trooper
1 Blade Splicer
1 Mirror Entity
1 Hero of Bladehold
1 Ranger of Eos
1 Reveillark
1 Mana Tithe
1 Land Tax
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Path to Exile
1 Balance
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Armageddon
1 Ravages of War
1 Wrath of God
1 Gideon Jura
1 Delver of Secrets
1 Looter Il-Kor
1 Phantasmal Image
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Mulldrifter
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Mana Drain
1 Mana Leak
1 Time Walk
1 Time Twister
1 Tinker
1 Crystal Shard
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Gifts Given
1 Time Spiral
1 Upheaval
1 Carnophage
1 Vampire Lacerator
1 Sarcomancy
1 Diregraf Ghoul
1 Bloodghast
1 Bitterblossom
1 Vampire Nighthawk
1 Skinrender
1 Shriekmaw
1 Grave Titan
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Dark Ritual
1 Thoughtseize
1 Duress
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Go for the Throat
1 Doom Blade
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Recurring Nightmare
1 Damnation
1 Mind Twist
1 Profane Command
1 Stormkirk Noble
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Hellspark Elemental
1 Stormblood Berserker
1 Plated Geopede
1 Avalanche Riders
1 Goblin Ruinblaster
1 Flametongue Kavu
1 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Inferno Titan
1 Chain Lightning
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Magma Jet
1 Smash to Smithereens
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Staggershock
1 Pillage
1 Molten Rain
1 Char
1 Sulfuric Vortex
1 Chandra Nalaar
1 Rolling Earthquake
1 Earthquake
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Joraga Treespeaker
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Mire Boa
1 River Boa
1 Lotus Cobra
1 Wild Mongrel
1 Eternal Witness
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Acidic Slime
1 Indrik Stomphowler
1 Genesis
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Regrowth
1 Survival of the Fittest
1 Life from the Loam
1 Sylvan Library
1 Krosan Tusker
1 Cultivate
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Plow Under
1 Oona, Queen of the Fae
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Murderous Redcap
1 Fulminator Mage
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Vindicate
1 Ajani Vengeant
1 Figure of Destiny
1 Fire // Ice
1 Trygon Predator
1 Bloodbraid Elf
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Porcelain Legionnaire
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Molten-Tail Masticore
1 Precursor Golem
1 Razormane Masticore
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull
1 Mind Stone
1 Coalition Relic
1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
1 Pithing Needle
1 Ankh of Mishra
1 Winter Orb
1 Smokestack
1 Icy Manipulator
1 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Plateau
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Taiga
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Arid Mesa
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Flooded Strand
1 Marsh Flats
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Celestial Colonnade
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
1 Raging Ravine
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Maze of Ith
Thoughts?
Kor Skyfisher, is much better than Soltari Trooper, imo.
Without Nezumi Graverobber or Sacavenging Ooze, there is nothing that stops graveyard recursion which is a boss in your stack.
Couldnt Crystal Shard be in artifacts? means you could get one more blue spell in.
Without Manic Vandals, or Viridian Shaman, the green Fraggle-dudes are CMC5, that is really expensive. Could one of Stomphowler/ or Slime (Slime I prefer tro play with as it gets lands, and death-touch over the big body tbh) one of them be Viridian Shaman? Or Mire Boa, for Shaman?
Is Wild Mongrel really 180 material?
No Grafted Wargear? but that is aggro's BFF!
Enclave Cryptoogist has been great for you, why would you take that out?
I have heard lots of good words about Final Fortune recently, have you thought of trying that out?
I think that Frantic Looting should be in as Wheel of Fortune-lite, you can just use Burning Inquiry as a proxy until DKA, it has been getting good success.
Profane Command should be Dismember, that is a really good card for 180 imo.
All in all, looks like a great list, and cant wait to play it against you magicmerl.
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