So I expanded my cube to 480 cards 60 for each color, artifacts, lands and multi colored
However it is untested and I believe I may have skewed it to far to aggro.
Any suggestions/criticism to improve it overall
thanks in advance
it is really hard to tell that kind of thing when it's sorted alphabetically. i'd suggest separating creature and spell and sorting by converted mana cost.
and also, you will get better responses if you actually post the additions/swaps when you do an update, like this:
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
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When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
Definitely keep Char and Erratic Portal. I also really like the Harrier and Blade of the Sixth Pride is decent. Everything else can safely be cut, and in most case should be cut for better cards.
I'd cut the two blue spells for Mana Leak, Dismiss, or Force Spike. In fact, cut Careful Consideration with the other two so you can add all three.
Bring Forked Bolt in for Scorching Lava. Cut Threaten but replace it with Aftershock instead of Mark of Mutiny. You should add Fireball and Banefire and possibly Demonfire. Searing Blaze, Act of Treason, and red Akroma can all be cut for those. Tin-Street Hooligan should be Keldon Vandals. They end up in far more decks than Tin-Street and are much better than you might think. When you can find one, Chain Lightning needs to be in your cube. You should run Goblin Patrol to give red another 1-drop. Violent Eruption or Chandra's Outrage would be safe to cut for him.
Trade the Chord of Calling for Fyndhorn Elves. I like Wall of Roots better than Granger Guildmage. I'd cut Momentous Fall and Grizzly Fate for Acidic Slime and Viridian Shaman. Cut Arashi for Mire Boa. If you are OK with Portal Cards, Jungle Lion is a great aggro card and can safely replace Symbiotic Wurm.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
so I made some changes based on what rant suggested and the info that eidolon232 gave
I also changed some numbers around from 60 to 65 cards in each color and from 60 to 55 in lands
I like that long list of changes for the most part, but I'd like to argue against the cuts of Life From the Loam, Future Sight and Blazing Specter. They should all stay in over some of the cards you're adding in instead.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
Well even with the cycle lands life from the loam was going around very late and no one ever seemed to play it (maybe because we generally only draft with 4 or less).
We primarily draft with four or less and Life From the Loam pretty much never sits in a sideboard. But if your crew isn't picking up a card for whatever reason, then you've got two choices: 1.) Draft it yourself and show them why they should be picking it or 2.) Cut it.
For a cube of this size, I think you've got plenty of green fatties. I like Silvos just fine, but I'd rather see you add in something like Mold Shambler. That guy is so useful it's ridiculous. I'd also run Rampaging Baloths over Cloudthresher, Silvos, or Regal Force. My vote: cut Regal Force and Cloudthresher, add in Rampaging Baloths and Mold Shambler.
I love every change except cutting Mindstone. Clearly, Ring of Gix is great so I'd find something else beside Mindstone to cut. There are a lot of artifacts that are worse than Mindstone in your artifact section: Cathodion, Trusty Machete, Trip Noose, Mask of Memory, Epochrasite, Steel Wall (this is really, really bad), Phyresian War Beast, and Slate of Ancestry. You should lose any one of those before Mindstone.
I love every change except cutting Mindstone. Clearly, Ring of Gix is great so I'd find something else beside Mindstone to cut. There are a lot of artifacts that are worse than Mindstone in your artifact section: Cathodion, Trusty Machete, Trip Noose, Mask of Memory, Epochrasite, Steel Wall (this is really, really bad), Phyresian War Beast, and Slate of Ancestry. You should lose any one of those before Mindstone.
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seconded. i don't think mindstone is a must have for all cubes, but it's excellent. unlike all of the cards rant mentions. i value the machete over every other card on that list, just fyi. i'd drop steel wall for sure.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
Constructed has nothing to do with anything. Forget everything you know about constructed, because you're playing the cube. How Tangle Wire played there is not an indicator of how it will do in the cube. Same with the artifact mana, and so on. You're in control of your cube's environment and metagame.
There aren't a lot of cubeable aggro artifact creatures that aren't Juggernaut and Lodestone Golem. Cathodion is playable, but hardly good. War Beast looks really bad and the card disadvantage is too great. I don't think you should worry about having aggro artifact creatures. Just run good artifacts. Aggro will make heavy use of the good equipments. Another option is Chimeric Idol.
Bottle Gnomes is an excellent cheap defensive creature. I highly recommend it.
Grim Monolith and Mana Vault are really high picks and can go in just about any deck. They allow some ridiculous plays and fun blow-outs. I don't see them as rituals because it is possible to untap them and use them again--especially if you run Tezzeret.
I just got a Tangle Wire and haven't seen it go to work yet. By the accounts of other cubists, I'm expecting great things.
Trusty Machete and Mask of Memory are OK but not great. If you had a really large cube, they wouldn't be bad to run. There are just enough better equipment that these shouldn't make most lists.
The Karn swap is good. I'm looking forward to trying him out.
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1 waterfront bouncer
1 aether adept
1 man-o'-war
1 sea gate oracle
1 serendib efreet
1 vendillion clique
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1 phyrexian metamorph
1 sower of temptation
1 thieving magpie
1 venser, shaper savant
1 meloku the clouded mirror
1 morphling
1 mulldrifter
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1 consecrated sphinx
1 keiga, the tide star
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1 brainstorm
1 force spike
1 mystical tutor
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1 preordain
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1 counterspell
1 impulse
1 into the roil
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1 mana leak
1 memory lapse
1 miscalculation
1 remand
1 time walk
1 capsize
1 crystal shard
1 forbid
1 jace beleran
1 psionic blast
1 thirst for knowledge
1 tinker
1 vedalken shackles
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1 control magic
1 cryptic command
1 deep analysis
1 dismiss
1 fact or fiction
1 gifts ungiven
1 jace, the mind sculptor
1 bribery
1 force of will
1 jace, memory adept
1 misdirection
1 tezzeret, the seeker
1 treachery
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1 time spiral
1 upheaval
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1 condescend
1 repeal
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1 fume spitter
1 vampire lacerator
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1 black knight
1 bloodghast
1 dark confidant
1 dauthi horror
1 nantuko shade
1 nezumi graverobber
1 oona's prowler
1 vampire hexmage
1 vampire interloper
1 bone shredder
1 dauthi marauder
1 hypnotic specter
1 liliana's specter
1 vampire nighthawk
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1 bane of the living
1 braids, cabal minion
1 graveborn muse
1 nekrataal
1 plague sliver
1 sewer nemesis
1 skinrender
1 bloodgift demon
1 ob nixilis, the fallen
1 shriekmaw
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1 grave titan
1 kokusho, the evening star
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1 tombstalker
1 volrath's stronghold
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1 dark ritual
1 disfigure
1 duress
1 innocent blood
1 reanimate
1 sarcomancy
1 thoughtseize
1 vampiric tutor
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1 animate dead
1 bitterblossom
1 chainer's edict
1 demonic tutor
1 diabolic edict
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1 go for the throat
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1 night's whisper
1 sinkhole
1 terror
1 dismember
1 necromancy
1 phyrexian arena
1 recurring nightmare
1 stupor
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1 consuming vapors
1 damnation
1 makeshift mannequin
1 nether void
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1 contagion
1 sorin markov
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1 mind twist
1 profane command
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1 blood knight
1 ember hauler
1 fireslinger
1 hearth kami
1 hellspark elemental
1 kargan dragonlord
1 keldon marauder
1 plated geopede
1 stormblood berserker
1 chandra's phoenix
1 fire imp
1 ghitu slinger
1 goblin ruinblaster
1 keldon vandal
1 manic vandal
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1 blistering firecat
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1 hero of oxid ridge
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1 moltensteel dragon
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1 greater gargadon
1 barbarian ring
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1 chain lightning
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1 incinerate
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1 molten rain
1 pillage
1 rivalry
1 staggershock
1 stone rain
1 sulfuric vortex
1 wheel of fortune
1 words of war
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1 koth of the hammer
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1 fireblast
1 wildfire
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1 earthquake
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1 ohran viper
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1 spike weaver
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1 acidic slime
1 deranged hermit
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1 indrik stomphowler
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1 black lotus
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1 bonesplitter
1 cursed scroll
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1 sensei's divining top
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1 ankh of mishra
1 grim monolith
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1 powder keg
1 ratchet bomb
1 scroll rack
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1 winter orb
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1 chimeric idol
1 coalition relic
1 crucible of worlds
1 crystal ball
1 grafted wargear
1 loxodon warhammer
1 mimic vat
1 oblivion stone
1 ring of gix
1 sword of body and mind
1 sword of feast and famine
1 sword of fire and ice
1 sword of light and shadow
1 sword of war and peace
1 tangle wire
1 worn powerstone
1 bonehoard
1 erratic portal
1 icy manipulator
1 nevinyrral's disk
1 smokestack
five cmc
1 batterskull
1 memory jar
seven cmc
1 karn liberated
variable cmc
1 chimeric mass
1 enginereed explosives
thanx for the help/criticism
First things first, I suggest using cards tags. Wrapping them around lists of cards will link each individual one.
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However it is untested and I believe I may have skewed it to far to aggro.
Any suggestions/criticism to improve it overall
thanks in advance
it is really hard to tell that kind of thing when it's sorted alphabetically. i'd suggest separating creature and spell and sorting by converted mana cost.
and also, you will get better responses if you actually post the additions/swaps when you do an update, like this:
OUT --> IN
kor duelist --> isamaru, hound of konda
air elemental --> morphling
nothing --> vindicate
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hopefully the original post will be easier now
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cards I am on the fence about
goldmeadow harrier -->studant of warfare
blade of the sixth pride --> ??
ethersworn adjunicator --> sphinx of magosi
circular logic --> ??
diminish --> ??
dauthi slayer --> vampire hexmage
slaughter pact --> ??
spinning darkness --> vendetta
char --> forked bolt
seismic assault --> volcanic hammer
threaten --> mark of mutiny
kazandu tuskcaller --> beastbreaker of bala ged
protean hulk --> woodfall primus
chord of calling --> ??
ancient ziggurat --> evolving wilds
erratic portal --> ??
guardian idol --> cursed scroll
trip noose --> ??
I'd cut the two blue spells for Mana Leak, Dismiss, or Force Spike. In fact, cut Careful Consideration with the other two so you can add all three.
Not a fan of Vendetta but I hear great things about Hexmage (I just added her but haven't seen her in action yet). You black section needs Liliana Vess and Consuming Vapors. I also like Plague Sliver, Phyrexian Scuta, Black Knight, Hypnotic Specter, and Puppeteer Clique better than Fallen Askari, Mercenary Knight, Laquatus's Champion, Skinthinner, Hidden Horror, and Yixlid Jailer. Also, make room for Liliana's Specter.
Bring Forked Bolt in for Scorching Lava. Cut Threaten but replace it with Aftershock instead of Mark of Mutiny. You should add Fireball and Banefire and possibly Demonfire. Searing Blaze, Act of Treason, and red Akroma can all be cut for those. Tin-Street Hooligan should be Keldon Vandals. They end up in far more decks than Tin-Street and are much better than you might think. When you can find one, Chain Lightning needs to be in your cube. You should run Goblin Patrol to give red another 1-drop. Violent Eruption or Chandra's Outrage would be safe to cut for him.
Trade the Chord of Calling for Fyndhorn Elves. I like Wall of Roots better than Granger Guildmage. I'd cut Momentous Fall and Grizzly Fate for Acidic Slime and Viridian Shaman. Cut Arashi for Mire Boa. If you are OK with Portal Cards, Jungle Lion is a great aggro card and can safely replace Symbiotic Wurm.
I hope that helps you.
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some of us don't.
I also changed some numbers around from 60 to 65 cards in each color and from 60 to 55 in lands
removed
added
and when I receive them I will make this change
skizzik --> jackel pup
mtenda lion --> jungle lion
plummet --> ice storm
trip noose --> cursed scroll
mind stone --> ring of gix
metalworker --> karn, silver golem
tectonic edge --> wasteland
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I second what eidolon said.
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Do you think I should remove opposition or bribery for future sight?
Joton Grunt seemed pretty poor in testing and in retrospect so did ethersworn canonist
so I removed those 2 for stonecloaker and lone missionary.
Maybe instead of cloudthresher go with silvos, rogue elemental?
Also I returned to blazing specter instead of fulminator mage I still like it but...
We primarily draft with four or less and Life From the Loam pretty much never sits in a sideboard. But if your crew isn't picking up a card for whatever reason, then you've got two choices: 1.) Draft it yourself and show them why they should be picking it or 2.) Cut it.
Do not cut Bribery. That card is a house. Opposition, however, would be an easy cut for Future Sight. I'd do that for sure.
Total upgrade.
For a cube of this size, I think you've got plenty of green fatties. I like Silvos just fine, but I'd rather see you add in something like Mold Shambler. That guy is so useful it's ridiculous. I'd also run Rampaging Baloths over Cloudthresher, Silvos, or Regal Force. My vote: cut Regal Force and Cloudthresher, add in Rampaging Baloths and Mold Shambler.
Blazing Specter > Fulminator Mage any day of the week. Excellent swap.
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jotun grunt-->lone missionary
opposition-->future sight
cloudthresher-->rampaging baloths
zombie cutthroat-->phyrexian scuta
mind stone-->ring of gix
fulminator mage-->blazing specter
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i second this, but the shambler is more important in my opinion. it has been great here.
seconded. i don't think mindstone is a must have for all cubes, but it's excellent. unlike all of the cards rant mentions. i value the machete over every other card on that list, just fyi. i'd drop steel wall for sure.
So what would everyone suggest for improving my artifacts?
thanks for the help
As for phyrexian war beast and cathodian I was wanting some aggro creatures not at the 4 drop spot.
I was wanting a cheap defensive creature with the steel wall but am up for brass man or bottle gnomes.
I think that drawing 4 cards and discarding 2 for 3 colorless mana (2 swing and connects) sounds pretty good but mask of memory is a possible cut
Mana vault and grim monolith are both really good but I almost never like playing with ritual type effects outside of constructed, then again I do have a signed mana vault so.
Trusty machete and slate of ancestry are certinly cuttable.
I was never all that impressed by tangle wire in constucted, then again it may have been my ponza decks fault and not tangle wire's.
Cursed scroll has been ordered and will be added once received, and karn silver golem will replace metalworker at tht time as well.
I didn't want to use 10 spots on signets so I will use 3 on everflowing chalice, mindstone and coldsteel heart.
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There aren't a lot of cubeable aggro artifact creatures that aren't Juggernaut and Lodestone Golem. Cathodion is playable, but hardly good. War Beast looks really bad and the card disadvantage is too great. I don't think you should worry about having aggro artifact creatures. Just run good artifacts. Aggro will make heavy use of the good equipments. Another option is Chimeric Idol.
Bottle Gnomes is an excellent cheap defensive creature. I highly recommend it.
Grim Monolith and Mana Vault are really high picks and can go in just about any deck. They allow some ridiculous plays and fun blow-outs. I don't see them as rituals because it is possible to untap them and use them again--especially if you run Tezzeret.
I just got a Tangle Wire and haven't seen it go to work yet. By the accounts of other cubists, I'm expecting great things.
Trusty Machete and Mask of Memory are OK but not great. If you had a really large cube, they wouldn't be bad to run. There are just enough better equipment that these shouldn't make most lists.
The Karn swap is good. I'm looking forward to trying him out.
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