R/W I'd add Orim's Thunder and cut both Skyknight and Order/Chaos/. In U/R I'd add Nucklavee and cut Swerve and Spellbound Dragon.
If you're not interested in those add (both very good IMO) cut the first card in each color.
oH, i do have Orim's thunder and dismantling blow. I left them in W. They don't always get played with the kicker. so yeah. (Unlike Desolation Angel) which should usually get pplayed.
thanks for the suggestions on cutting Swerve/Skynight.
I would NOT cut Goblin Trenches. That card's a house... and I agree with putting Goblin Legionnaire in. Even with M10 rules, he's still good.
This, because it's true.
Order//Chaos is terrible as is Swerve. Although, Swerve did entice my own group on first glance, so we included it for a while, realized it sucked, and then quickly replaced it. I would definitely replace Skyknight Legionnaire with Goblin Legionnaire. He's still really really good in any RW deck.
I think it should be Life/Death. I also have Putrid Leech sitting on the bench, warming it up. He might deserve to go in over canker. thoughts? Suggestions welcomed here as well.
I think it should be Life/Death. I also have Putrid Leech sitting on the bench, warming it up. He might deserve to go in over canker. thoughts? Suggestions welcomed here as well.
Kagemaro has been a bit disappointing for me. Added him a month or two back and have yet to see him do much. As far as the u/g cards go I'd cut Cold-Eye Selkie, just never worked out for me here. In G/B I'd add the Leech and cut Canker and Life/Death.
Kagemaro has been a bit disappointing for me. Added him a month or two back and have yet to see him do much. As far as the u/g cards go I'd cut Cold-Eye Selkie, just never worked out for me here. In G/B I'd add the Leech and cut Canker and Life/Death.
yeah, i think Kagemaro deserves to be cut.
i seen get passed around and I am like "too high CC, will it valuable? by the time i feel like i can get him out, will i have enough cards in my hand to make him useful". Most times i just dont think so.
No one likes the selkie!!! i will wait for a few more responses, but selkie and Life death look like goners and putrid leech will come in for canker abomination
Kagemaro has been decent for us. I definitely wouldn't go so far as to say he's been a disappointment. He's no auto include at all, but he's worthy of a spot. We like him here.
While Kagemaro can be disappointing at times, he fills an important niche as being a recurrable mass removal. I don't see cutting him from my cube soon but i wouldn't count him to my core cards.
On your UG:
Selkie seems to be the cut here, i agree. If you don't want to, Mystic Snake should be next on the chopping block imo.
On your BG:
What wtwlf said. Cut Life/Death and Abomination and add Putrid Leech.
Thanks DerBK, Wtwlf, IceAge, Calibretto for the respones on this one!
Thanks to everyone who commentsed over the last few days about the multicolor cuts.
I will keep Kagemaro in for now. but no promises!
haha
So yes, conclusion is
Cold-Eye Selkie = Gone
Life / Death and canker abomination = Gone
Putrid Leech = In.
How is Nath possibly the worst card in his BG section? He has Canker Abomination, Creakwood Liege and Life//Death that should all fall into the "worse than Nath" category. I'm not saying he's the best of the BG section, but he's far from the worst. That guy has helped me win quite a few games in our cube.
I don't think it's worth his cost. Life//Death could have some use in reanimator decks (not saying he's not outclassed) and Creakwood Liege I admit not liking personally but it has earned respect and love from other players around here. The idea is that, yes, Creakwood Liege will die a few turns after he came into play, but he's done enough, especially by stoping your opponent (who will want to trade with the tokens when they will shrink to 1/1s soon?), in the meanwhile. A player described it as "taking a hiatus from the game" while it lives (agree with it or not is your decision).
Nath however I don't see much reason to pick/run. Both green and black have numerous better midrange creatures and five drops in particular.
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With M10 coming out, it's time to do the update.
And yes, the wait is finally over
Drum Roll Pleaze-uh.
Most of the changes is lower the # of Multicolored Cards to Single Color Cards.
Other changes is to help in getting the ACC lower for each of the colors.
All the tri-colored cards left are only from the 5 different shards. (one of each)
That is why cards like C&P, Garza Zol and Lightning Angel are coming out.
The first section is not really "specific" cards going in for another.
Multicolored was to be cut to 85, the card that is coming in, is just an addition to the single colored section
General Comments:
Gave blue a nice counter in Complicate. Concentrate gives blue some card draw. Tradewind Rider should be a good card. Will see how it goes. None of M10 cards impressed me. Maybe Sleep but besides that. It was trash.
Green: Acidic Slime (Creeping Mold w/ Body = nice) Great Sable Stag (3CC creatue 3/3 with pro blue/black, not counterable). Skyshroud Elite it should of been in a long time ago with as many non basics i run in cube
Black The Abyss, something i always wanted to run. Will try it out Doom Blade, 2 mana removal? will try. Undead Gladiator, Recurrable? Cycling? I like it.
White Captain of the watch, a little high with CC. but 3 2/2 soliers with one card is not to be laughed at.
Elite Vanguard. Auto Include for White Aggro Otherworldly Journey. Like the blink affect. Could be nasty with Come into play abilities. Or could be a quit spot removal to get damage through with creatures. Seems versatile.
Specific Card Changes:
Order/Chaos --> Goblin Legionnaire (As suggested by u guys) Unmake ---> Sarcomancy (I moved Desolation Angel to W/B, so i brought in Sarcomancy as a creature in B) Canker Abomination ---> Putrid Leech (Leech is a solid 2 color aggro card for B/G) Twilgiht Shepherd ---> Baneslayer Angel (Baneslayer Angel arguably the best new card printed in m10, auto include. I never really like Twilight shepherd, 100% upgrade here) Crusade ---> Harm's Way (Crusade was always lacking, after u guys were talking about it, swayed me to cut it, Harm's Way should be useful for white ) Jotun Grunt ---> Guardian Seraph (Jotun Grunt is hard to use early. Not powerful enough late game. Gone.) Rancid Earth ---> Nether Void (Not crazy bout the 3CC LD, Nether Void is a monster card) Kagemaro, First to Suffer ---> Cabal Interrogator (Cabal Interregator was one of my fave cards from that block, will give it a shot Molten Rain ---> Volcanic Hammer ( not crazy about 3CC LD, Volcanic Hammer = solid 2CC Burn.) Torchling ---> Mogg War Marshall (lowered red's cc cost with this move, Torchling is meh) Ghost Quarter ---> City of Ass (With new M10 rules, City of Ass is a stud card in cube, auto-include now)
I just ditched a PS of Tempest Pools for effing $76 in store credit. Needless to say, I flipped those 4 lands into like 25 cards for our Cube. Nice switch on the Well into the Pool.
I like a lot of your changes...sad to see Unmake go, it's one of my favorites. But it gets replaced by a solid card that I've yet to play. So I'll say the jury is still out.
Everything else is really good, although I'm gunna say that 3cc is about "market value" for an LD spell. Stone Rain and Ice Storm kind of set the value back in 1992, and it's remained there. Molten Rain is a nice upgrade for the Cube given the amount of non-basics people run. Kind of sad to see that go.
I like Armadillo Cloak a lot, and I'm taking Undead Gladiator for a spin. If I had to choose between the two -- the Cloak might come out on top.
It looks like we've made a lot of the same changes =)
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I just ditched a PS of Tempest Pools for effing $76 in store credit. Needless to say, I flipped those 4 lands into like 25 cards for our Cube. Nice switch on the Well into the Pool.
I like a lot of your changes...sad to see Unmake go, it's one of my favorites. But it gets replaced by a solid card that I've yet to play. So I'll say the jury is still out.
Everything else is really good, although I'm gunna say that 3cc is about "market value" for an LD spell. Stone Rain and Ice Storm kind of set the value back in 1992, and it's remained there. Molten Rain is a nice upgrade for the Cube given the amount of non-basics people run. Kind of sad to see that go.
I like Armadillo Cloak a lot, and I'm taking Undead Gladiator for a spin. If I had to choose between the two -- the Cloak might come out on top.
It looks like we've made a lot of the same changes =)
Definitely good move ditching the tempest pools. those guys are going down in value. I made quick trade that center around a jitte (which is falling too?) for the reflectiong pool.
i do like the 3CC LD, i might bring them back in a future update.
i might continue to trim the multicolor cards. :), to bring back more artifacts or add one more of each color
yeah, Ice Storm i would run (but i dont believe G really needs to have LD, especially splashable LD, makes it dangerous)
On second thought that is probably why i should run it.. haha
unmake is good, but 3 color removal which forces u in either white/black makes it tough to run.
I am always willing to bring cards back if warranted.
thanks for commenting!
i made a lot of change and got no comments before yours
(kinda sad, i know)
i think being a bigger cube taht is bit more advanced in its construction, makes harder to pt out crappy cards or bad choices. When new cubes are up, it's easier to see subpar cards or in smaller cubes since the card choices have to be tighther.
I'm kind of surprised that I've seen so many people say "feh" to Unmake. I understand that the card isn't great for spashes of white or black, but it sees a ton of play in my group as mono W, mono B, and WBx control all see a ton of play.
I ran it in my UBW Control, and it rocked ass. It got rid of those guys that have "leaves play" triggers or have a recurring ability or what have you. Not to mention, it's an instant -- and I am such an instant removal $lut.
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Leaves Play triggers will still happen with Unmake. Goes into the graveyard triggers won't. It can't stop Sundering Titan or Reveillark from breaking you when they leave play.
Also, I don't like removing Molten Rain... but the rest of the changes are great.
Leaves Play triggers will still happen with Unmake. Goes into the graveyard triggers won't. It can't stop Sundering Titan or Reveillark from breaking you when they leave play.
Also, I don't like removing Molten Rain... but the rest of the changes are great.
man, everyone loves molten rain! what gives!
seal of fire is okay. Might take it back out for molten rain at another pt!
I'm kind of surprised that I've seen so many people say "feh" to Unmake. I understand that the card isn't great for spashes of white or black, but it sees a ton of play in my group as mono W, mono B, and WBx control all see a ton of play.
i think the other B/W stuff is pretty solid besides unmake. and i am probably gonna cut down to 7 of each mc. i just dont see unmake coming back with the other cards i already have in that section.
and i dont even have a stillmoon cavalier, which i thgouth bout adding to B/W.
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Most of the time, Molten Rain's going to hit a nonbasic, so it's very much an upgraded Stone Rain that deals 2 to the face, which is very nice for red decks.
If you're not interested in those add (both very good IMO) cut the first card in each color.
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Swerve.
oH, i do have Orim's thunder and dismantling blow. I left them in W. They don't always get played with the kicker. so yeah. (Unlike Desolation Angel) which should usually get pplayed.
thanks for the suggestions on cutting Swerve/Skynight.
thanks for thoughts. I might bring back legionnaire.
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As backups, there's Skyknight Legionnaire and Call the Skybreaker which are both also safe cuts, IMO.
I would NOT cut Goblin Trenches. That card's a house... and I agree with putting Goblin Legionnaire in. Even with M10 rules, he's still good.
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Order//Chaos is terrible as is Swerve. Although, Swerve did entice my own group on first glance, so we included it for a while, realized it sucked, and then quickly replaced it. I would definitely replace Skyknight Legionnaire with Goblin Legionnaire. He's still really really good in any RW deck.
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easy decision here
Order/Chaos and Skynight Legionnaire = gone
Goblin Legionnaire will go back in! (yeah i was hoping to put him back in)
Swerve = gone. (pretty much a given from the get go)
Call the Skybreaker and Spellbound Dragon will be put on notice! (we will see if i cut them at another time)
the last two should be easy in my opinion but i will put them up tomorrow.
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i think these two SHOULD be easy:
Also, what u guys think of Kagemaro, First to Suffer ?
good/bad/ok. He has a big CC and i am not sure if he deserving of a cube spot.
:symgu::symgu: U/G :symgu::symgu:
I think it should be SNAKEFORM
Suggestions welcomed here on any adds u can think of.
:symbg::symbg: B/G :symbg::symbg:
I think it should be Life/Death. I also have Putrid Leech sitting on the bench, warming it up. He might deserve to go in over canker. thoughts? Suggestions welcomed here as well.
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Putrid Leech is good. I'd use it over the Canker Abomination. And I'd cut the Life // Death from BG.
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Kagemaro has been a bit disappointing for me. Added him a month or two back and have yet to see him do much. As far as the u/g cards go I'd cut Cold-Eye Selkie, just never worked out for me here. In G/B I'd add the Leech and cut Canker and Life/Death.
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yeah, i think Kagemaro deserves to be cut.
i seen get passed around and I am like "too high CC, will it valuable? by the time i feel like i can get him out, will i have enough cards in my hand to make him useful". Most times i just dont think so.
No one likes the selkie!!! i will wait for a few more responses, but selkie and Life death look like goners and putrid leech will come in for canker abomination
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QFT.
Kagemaro has been decent for us. I definitely wouldn't go so far as to say he's been a disappointment. He's no auto include at all, but he's worthy of a spot. We like him here.
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Thanks DerBK, Wtwlf, IceAge, Calibretto for the respones on this one!
Thanks to everyone who commentsed over the last few days about the multicolor cuts.
I will keep Kagemaro in for now. but no promises!
haha
So yes, conclusion is
Cold-Eye Selkie = Gone
Life / Death and canker abomination = Gone
Putrid Leech = In.
Thanks again!
AznO
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Nath of the Guilt-Leaf seems the worst to me. Life//Death could be cut as well.
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How is Nath possibly the worst card in his BG section? He has Canker Abomination, Creakwood Liege and Life//Death that should all fall into the "worse than Nath" category. I'm not saying he's the best of the BG section, but he's far from the worst. That guy has helped me win quite a few games in our cube.
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Nath however I don't see much reason to pick/run. Both green and black have numerous better midrange creatures and five drops in particular.
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"hey when is AznO going to do next with his cube "
With M10 coming out, it's time to do the update.
And yes, the wait is finally over
Drum Roll Pleaze-uh.
Most of the changes is lower the # of Multicolored Cards to Single Color Cards.
Other changes is to help in getting the ACC lower for each of the colors.
All the tri-colored cards left are only from the 5 different shards. (one of each)
That is why cards like C&P, Garza Zol and Lightning Angel are coming out.
The first section is not really "specific" cards going in for another.
Multicolored was to be cut to 85, the card that is coming in, is just an addition to the single colored section
Not Specific Card Changes:
Crime//Punishment ---> Elite Vanguard
Garza Zol, Plague Queen ---> Otherworldly Journey
Lightning Angel ---> Captain of the Watch
Rafiq of the Many ---> The Abyss
Who//What//When//Where//Why ---> Doom Blade
Armadillo Cloak ---> Undead Gladiator
Hull Breach ---> Kaervek's Torch
Lim Dul's Vault ---> Seal of Fire
Life / Death ---> Imperial Recruiter
Skynight Legionnaire ---> Complicate
Swerve ---> Tradewind Rider
Rakdos Guildmage ---> Concentrate
Cold-Eye Selkie ---> Acidic Slime
Augury Adept ---> Great Sable Stag
Deathbringer Liege ---> Skyshroud Elite
General Comments:
Gave blue a nice counter in Complicate. Concentrate gives blue some card draw. Tradewind Rider should be a good card. Will see how it goes. None of M10 cards impressed me. Maybe Sleep but besides that. It was trash.
Green:
Acidic Slime (Creeping Mold w/ Body = nice)
Great Sable Stag (3CC creatue 3/3 with pro blue/black, not counterable).
Skyshroud Elite it should of been in a long time ago with as many non basics i run in cube
Red:
Imperial Recruiter. could be broken? we will see.
Seal of fire. 2 damage that could be be played early and used later. like it.
Kaeverk's Torch. X Red Spell. I like it. haha
New Red m10 cards also trash.
Black
The Abyss, something i always wanted to run. Will try it out
Doom Blade, 2 mana removal? will try.
Undead Gladiator, Recurrable? Cycling? I like it.
White
Captain of the watch, a little high with CC. but 3 2/2 soliers with one card is not to be laughed at.
Elite Vanguard. Auto Include for White Aggro
Otherworldly Journey. Like the blink affect. Could be nasty with Come into play abilities. Or could be a quit spot removal to get damage through with creatures. Seems versatile.
Specific Card Changes:
Order/Chaos --> Goblin Legionnaire (As suggested by u guys)
Unmake ---> Sarcomancy (I moved Desolation Angel to W/B, so i brought in Sarcomancy as a creature in B)
Canker Abomination ---> Putrid Leech (Leech is a solid 2 color aggro card for B/G)
Twilgiht Shepherd ---> Baneslayer Angel (Baneslayer Angel arguably the best new card printed in m10, auto include. I never really like Twilight shepherd, 100% upgrade here)
Crusade ---> Harm's Way (Crusade was always lacking, after u guys were talking about it, swayed me to cut it, Harm's Way should be useful for white )
Jotun Grunt ---> Guardian Seraph (Jotun Grunt is hard to use early. Not powerful enough late game. Gone.)
Rancid Earth ---> Nether Void (Not crazy bout the 3CC LD, Nether Void is a monster card)
Kagemaro, First to Suffer ---> Cabal Interrogator (Cabal Interregator was one of my fave cards from that block, will give it a shot
Molten Rain ---> Volcanic Hammer ( not crazy about 3CC LD, Volcanic Hammer = solid 2CC Burn.)
Torchling ---> Mogg War Marshall (lowered red's cc cost with this move, Torchling is meh)
Ghost Quarter ---> City of Ass (With new M10 rules, City of Ass is a stud card in cube, auto-include now)
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Miren, the Moaning Well --> Reflecting Pool (finally got a tempest one!)
Miren, not as good anymore without damage on stack.. sad.
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I like a lot of your changes...sad to see Unmake go, it's one of my favorites. But it gets replaced by a solid card that I've yet to play. So I'll say the jury is still out.
Everything else is really good, although I'm gunna say that 3cc is about "market value" for an LD spell. Stone Rain and Ice Storm kind of set the value back in 1992, and it's remained there. Molten Rain is a nice upgrade for the Cube given the amount of non-basics people run. Kind of sad to see that go.
I like Armadillo Cloak a lot, and I'm taking Undead Gladiator for a spin. If I had to choose between the two -- the Cloak might come out on top.
It looks like we've made a lot of the same changes =)
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Definitely good move ditching the tempest pools. those guys are going down in value. I made quick trade that center around a jitte (which is falling too?) for the reflectiong pool.
i do like the 3CC LD, i might bring them back in a future update.
i might continue to trim the multicolor cards. :), to bring back more artifacts or add one more of each color
yeah, Ice Storm i would run (but i dont believe G really needs to have LD, especially splashable LD, makes it dangerous)
On second thought that is probably why i should run it.. haha
unmake is good, but 3 color removal which forces u in either white/black makes it tough to run.
I am always willing to bring cards back if warranted.
thanks for commenting!
i made a lot of change and got no comments before yours
(kinda sad, i know)
i think being a bigger cube taht is bit more advanced in its construction, makes harder to pt out crappy cards or bad choices. When new cubes are up, it's easier to see subpar cards or in smaller cubes since the card choices have to be tighther.
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Silent Edge's Tidbits of Wisdom:
The Lewis Theory - When the presence of a single card makes every other card in your deck better (see Lewis, Ray).
The Rubber Edict - You'd rather have it and not use it, than need it and not have it.
The Shotgun Wedding - Don't commit early unless you absolutely have to.
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Also, I don't like removing Molten Rain... but the rest of the changes are great.
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man, everyone loves molten rain! what gives!
seal of fire is okay. Might take it back out for molten rain at another pt!
fair pt about unmake.
i think the other B/W stuff is pretty solid besides unmake. and i am probably gonna cut down to 7 of each mc. i just dont see unmake coming back with the other cards i already have in that section.
and i dont even have a stillmoon cavalier, which i thgouth bout adding to B/W.
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@ Opm - yeah bro, Molten Rain is the sickness.
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The Rubber Edict - You'd rather have it and not use it, than need it and not have it.
The Shotgun Wedding - Don't commit early unless you absolutely have to.
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