I probably would have cut Viridian Zealot before losing Life From the Loam or Caller of the Claw, but that's just being nit picky. Overall I think this is a great update.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
I'm assuming the cards on the left are additions, and the cards on the right are cuts. That being said, I personally think Sphinx of Jwar Isle and Master of the Wild Hunt are better than the cards replacing them, but I might be in the minority on this. Yet again, Master of the Wild Hunt proved himself in a draft the other night. I went a few turns without being able to find a removal spell for him, and his creatures just ate my aggressive deck up single-handedly. Sphinx is a ridiculous finisher that is probably the highest or second highest rated 5-6 mana finisher in blue for my cube. I know Meloku, the Clouded Mirror and Keiga, the Tide Star are amazing, but often Sphinx just goes the distance better than either of them. Not saying it's better overall, just that it is very comparable and does a LOT of work for us around here. The other three changes look fine, although I do like Flickerwisp a good bit, but if you have no other possible cuts the change seems good.
I'm not sure on the direction of the cuts, but Spike Weaver should not be cut. That is a great card and really helps ramp decks stall until they can drop their fattie. Also, it's super annoying to the opponent if you have it with Recurring Nightmare, Crystal Shard, or Erratic Portal.
regardless of how this is going, i think aether adept is better than draining whelk and white knight is better than flickerwisp. what makes this hard to determine is all of these are decent cards at worst, and none of them are staples (white knight comes closest to this). they could all be in a medium size cube with no problem.
out of the cards i suspect are coming out, i really like spike weaver and flickerwisp.
edit: sorry, i realize we had this exact conversation a few posts above, and you were using in --> out there. in that case i think these cuts are fine, but i'd be sad to lose the weaver the most.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
I think all the cards on the left are better than all the cards on the right. I don't know which column is IN and which is OUT, but I'm hoping this is IN -> OUT.
I think all the cards on the left are better than all the cards on the right. I don't know which column is IN and which is OUT, but I'm hoping this is IN -> OUT.
I should have added that, you are correct. it's IN -> OUT
If you count the Sanctifiers as a 4 drop, then white already has 13 2 drop creatures compared to 4 for 3 mana. On the other hand the number, the number of creatures for 5+ mana is quite high, especially if you also take the cards that act like or produce creatures into account. So my choice would be cutting the 5 mana reanimation spell and keep Fllickerwisp in.
While it is a fun card, we often didn't get the 4 mana investment back from a Clone after we lowered the curve more and more. The Sphinx is pretty hard to deal with and while it doesn't offer the utility of Morphling, you never need to spend any more mana for it and while the peek ability might look cute it gives you an information advantage, that allows you to play different (if you have a Wrath on top) or get more value out of your shuffle effects..
These are good suggestions, let me think it over, thank you Eidolon!
I really prefer White Knight to Stoneforge Mystic.
I wouldn't cut Oblivion Stone. It's a total board wipe without waiting for counters. If left alone, it can sometimes save a key permanent while wiping everything else out. If you really want to bring in Ratchet Bomb, I'd cut Gilded Lotus instead.
If you really want to try the Battlesphere, try it in place of Duplicant.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
I like the Ratchet Bomb more, myself. But I'm already aware I'm in the minority on that.
I don't think you're in the minority on that. Or at least, I don't think you should be. I'm probably going to cut Duplicant whenever I decide to update my non-Pauper Cube.
That all looks good, but I'd cut Gilded Lotus instead of Ratchet Bomb or Duplicant. I ran Lotus for along time in my cube and it was rarely more than mediocre. Cut it from your cube and put it in an EDH deck where it shines.
That all looks good, but I'd cut Gilded Lotus instead of Ratchet Bomb or Duplicant. I ran Lotus for along time in my cube and it was rarely more than mediocre. Cut it from your cube and put it in an EDH deck where it shines.
War Priest of Thune -> Blade of the Sixth Pride
Sun Titan -> Celestial Crusader
I dont like the fact that I'm removing a 4cc card ( crusader ) to a 6cc card ( titan ), but I wouldn't know what else to cut. ( thx wtwlf )
Liliana's Specter -> Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
Grave Titan -> Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni
Ember Hauler -> Urza's Rage
Manic Vandal -> Comet Storm
Inferno Titan -> Hellkite Charger
Fauna Shaman -> Vinelasher Kudzu
Cultivate -> Life from the Loam
Obstinate Baloth -> Caller of the Claw
Spike Weaver -> Hystrodon
Brittle Effigy -> Lotus Bloom
Sword of Vengeance -> Mindslaver
Crystal Ball -> Su-Chi
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But Loam and Caller are two cards I love too much to cut.
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White Knight -> Flickerwisp
Kira, Great Glass-Spinner -> Sphinx of Jwar Isle
Aether Adept -> Draining Whelk
Life from the Loam -> Master of the Wild Hunt
Caller of the Claw -> Spike Weaver
I'm assuming the cards on the left are additions, and the cards on the right are cuts. That being said, I personally think Sphinx of Jwar Isle and Master of the Wild Hunt are better than the cards replacing them, but I might be in the minority on this. Yet again, Master of the Wild Hunt proved himself in a draft the other night. I went a few turns without being able to find a removal spell for him, and his creatures just ate my aggressive deck up single-handedly. Sphinx is a ridiculous finisher that is probably the highest or second highest rated 5-6 mana finisher in blue for my cube. I know Meloku, the Clouded Mirror and Keiga, the Tide Star are amazing, but often Sphinx just goes the distance better than either of them. Not saying it's better overall, just that it is very comparable and does a LOT of work for us around here. The other three changes look fine, although I do like Flickerwisp a good bit, but if you have no other possible cuts the change seems good.
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regardless of how this is going, i think aether adept is better than draining whelk and white knight is better than flickerwisp. what makes this hard to determine is all of these are decent cards at worst, and none of them are staples (white knight comes closest to this). they could all be in a medium size cube with no problem.
out of the cards i suspect are coming out, i really like spike weaver and flickerwisp.
edit: sorry, i realize we had this exact conversation a few posts above, and you were using in --> out there. in that case i think these cuts are fine, but i'd be sad to lose the weaver the most.
I think all the cards on the left are better than all the cards on the right. I don't know which column is IN and which is OUT, but I'm hoping this is IN -> OUT.
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I should have added that, you are correct. it's IN -> OUT
These are good suggestions, let me think it over, thank you Eidolon!
Sweet! Then good update.
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Here are my proposed changes for SOM. Thoughts?
Elspeth Tirel -> Martial Coup
Glimmerpoint Stag -> Emeria Angel
Stoneforge Mystic -> Eight-and-a-half Tails
Seal of Cleansing -> White Knight
Fume Spitter -> Slaughter Pact
Skinrender -> Decree of Pain
Arc Trail -> Rift Bolt
Koth of the Hammer -> Keldon Champion
Spikeshot Elder -> Flame Slash
Chimeric Mass -> Phyrexian Ironfoot
Molten-Tail Masticore -> Thran Dynamo
Mimic Vat -> Isochron Scepter
Myr Battlesphere -> Gilded Lotus
Nim Deathmantle -> Gathan Raiders
Ratchet Bomb -> Oblivion Stone
Sword of Body and Mind -> Worn Powerstone
Wormcoil Engine -> Platinum Angel
Basilisk Collar -> Brittle Effigy
Blackcleave Cliffs -> Sulfurous Springs
Copperline Gorge -> Karplusan Forest
I wouldn't cut Oblivion Stone. It's a total board wipe without waiting for counters. If left alone, it can sometimes save a key permanent while wiping everything else out. If you really want to bring in Ratchet Bomb, I'd cut Gilded Lotus instead.
If you really want to try the Battlesphere, try it in place of Duplicant.
Otherwise, your changes are all great.
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In -> Out
White Knight -> Stoneforge Mystic
Keldon Champion -> Skizzik
Rift Bolt -> Hells Thunder
What about Ratchet Bomb -> Duplicant?
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I don't think you're in the minority on that. Or at least, I don't think you should be. I'm probably going to cut Duplicant whenever I decide to update my non-Pauper Cube.
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That all looks good, but I'd cut Gilded Lotus instead of Ratchet Bomb or Duplicant. I ran Lotus for along time in my cube and it was rarely more than mediocre. Cut it from your cube and put it in an EDH deck where it shines.
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I cut Gilded Lotus for Myr Battlesphere.
Good idea about including it into my EDH deck.
Sorry, I didn't see that. Yeah, it's actually a great card in EDH.
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