MTG Salvation

A huge upgrade to Mob. If you have even one untapped creature to convoke this with, this functions as a Hero's Downfall that gives you a connive as a bonus. In a board stall, when you can convoke this with 4 creatures, it just gets insane, you can spend 0 mana to connive 4 times and to unconditionally kill a creature or a planeswalker. This only seems bad in decks running very few creatures, but all black decks in a table running only a few creatures is very unlikely.

It’s Hero's Downfall x Venerated Loxodon + multiple looting. I used to run Stoke the Flames and it was pretty good; this seems much better. Instant speed connive means you could connive midcombat after you block to build your own mass pump spell. It seems useful in Golgari Reanimator strategies where an elf or token can become a discard outlet for a powerful fatty. I’m cutting Never to Return for this.

I like this a lot. This is a pretty big swing with 2 creatures convoked.

This is a sweet card. Great flavor, and a good on-color collection of effects.

What a fun way to make black removal stop being so dang boring.

I probably have room for both this and Baleful Mastery at 720, but these two cards definitely compete for a slot. Curious what people think about that comparison. This card has tremendous upside - I think I like it more.

Slam dunk for cubes that support black agro imo....

Not sure how I feel about it in my cube where I only have a black midrange package.
If it was 3B I'd slam dunk it

I'm curious about a comparison between this card and Stoke the Flames.
The latter seems to have left many cubes, and it's quite similar to this card except it can go face - so one wonders what the differences are?

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I'm curious about a comparison between this card and Stoke the Flames.
The latter seems to have left many cubes, and it's quite similar to this card except it can go face - so one wonders what the differences are?

The big difference is the connive part. I'd be allll over stoke the flames if it had that line of text.

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Quote from shermanido37 »

I'm curious about a comparison between this card and Stoke the Flames.
The latter seems to have left many cubes, and it's quite similar to this card except it can go face - so one wonders what the differences are?

The big difference is the connive part. I'd be allll over stoke the flames if it had that line of text.

Absolutely this, if I could loot up to four times when I convoked Stoke the Flames, it'd be a completely different card.

Oh boy, Black token generator stock just went way up. This card does a great job of supporting an archetype without really pushing it.

This card is sweet, but what to cut? At 465 cards I don't have a lot fat to trim. Maybe over Baleful Mastery?

Cheers,
rant

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This card is sweet, but what to cut? At 465 cards I don't have a lot fat to trim. Maybe over Baleful Mastery?

Cheers,
rant

I think that’s exactly the cut at your size. This card has an awesome ceiling.

I was planning to cut Hagra Mauling for this at 630, but I'm actually not sure if having access to the MDFC is better than the options Baleful Mastery provides.

I think its a good card, but I'm reluctant to give up my two Doom Blade variants unless a DownFall/ Baleful Mastery variants replace it.

How has this been for people? I was excited about it, but Ive found only aggro decks can consistently have multiple creatures, and usually those want to be attacking, not convoking. Ive found it can be pretty awkward to cast, but only have a little experience with it. I was going to cut it for bitter triumph unless people think I should give it a longer stay.

This is going to be my cut for Bitter Triumph as well.

Cheers,
rant

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How has this been for people? I was excited about it, but Ive found only aggro decks can consistently have multiple creatures, and usually those want to be attacking, not convoking. Ive found it can be pretty awkward to cast, but only have a little experience with it. I was going to cut it for bitter triumph unless people think I should give it a longer stay.

I've found this to be an incredibly powerful card in the right deck (BW tokens in particular). Its not like Bitter Triumph or Baleful Mastery that is good in every deck.

My rough recommendation is, if you support black-aggro, this is a solid include. If not, then I would cut this.

Scheme has been really good for me. Black creature decks love the connive triggers, and it both generates value and answers the opponent's best threat for cheap when you can turn the discarded cards into value for you.

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Scheme has been really good for me. Black creature decks love the connive triggers, and it both generates value and answers the opponent's best threat for cheap when you can turn the discarded cards into value for you.

This is my experience too. Big fan of the Scheme, at least for now. That it's much more interesting than the nth removal spell is a bonus.