Even if you didn't have a target to get, just making two Karnstructs off of your land drop can really pressure some control decks with minimal interaction windows. Putting a bunch of power onto the board endstep without casting spells is kinda good. Worth noting that this land is an enchantment as well, which appears to be mostly a downside.
When I first saw this card I thought it was very good. At that time, I didn't realize you can make a second karnstruct in response to the 3rd trigger... Once I figured that out, I'm not surprised to find out it's breaking multiple formats =D
Weird people are digging for excuses to why this card wouldn’t be good for them. Even without the tutor, two bodies for a LAND is kind of hard to argue with…
Weird people are digging for excuses to why this card wouldn’t be good for them. Even without the tutor, two bodies for a LAND is kind of hard to argue with…
Because it's not 2 bodies for a land. It's 2 bodies for 6 mana and a land, and in a lot of decks those bodies will be 3/3's at best with no evasion.
Seems like if you support the artifact deck, then this is worth playing. A card being great in constructed formats doesn't necessarily translate to a limited format. If people have reports on the card in their cube I'd love to read them though.
Seems like if you support the artifact deck, then this is worth playing. A card being great in constructed formats doesn't necessarily translate to a limited format. If people have reports on the card in their cube I'd love to read them though.
In a powered cube, it can go into any deck really as long as you have targets. Obviously the artifact deck gets the most use out of it, but any deck can take advantage of grabbing a mana rock or something. It's also pretty powerful in aggro since it finds Skullclamp / Bonesplitter / Bomat Courier, not to mention provide Karnstructs.
FWIW, I'd still test it in an unpowered cube with medium to light artifact support, but I do expect it to be a mere shadow of the power house it will be in a powered cube.
In a deck without good 1 mana targets AND no artifacts, it's probably unplayable. So if that represents 90% of decks in your cube, well... ya.. I could see the skepticism.
FWIW, I'd still test it in an unpowered cube with medium to light artifact support, but I do expect it to be a mere shadow of the power house it will be in a powered cube.
This has been playing well even in unpowered cubes, it's not too hard for this to make two 3-4 powered creatures in a lot of decks. Also, I don't think the gap of this card's power between a powered and an unpowered cube is all that big. Higher ceiling by being able to grab a Black Lotus, sure, but the critical mass for karnstructs is still very powerful in unpowered cubes, which is where this card's bread and butter are.
This card is obviously a top 50 card in powered cubes.
In unpowered I think it actually gets more value if it supports the lands deck than if you support an artifact package. Recurring this with w6, ramunap, loam, etc.. is very strong, and having crop rotation and sylvan scrying makes it a consistent payoff for that archetype./
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Because it's not 2 bodies for a land. It's 2 bodies for 6 mana and a land, and in a lot of decks those bodies will be 3/3's at best with no evasion.
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StaffIn a powered cube, it can go into any deck really as long as you have targets. Obviously the artifact deck gets the most use out of it, but any deck can take advantage of grabbing a mana rock or something. It's also pretty powerful in aggro since it finds Skullclamp / Bonesplitter / Bomat Courier, not to mention provide Karnstructs.
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In a deck without good 1 mana targets AND no artifacts, it's probably unplayable. So if that represents 90% of decks in your cube, well... ya.. I could see the skepticism.
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StaffThis has been playing well even in unpowered cubes, it's not too hard for this to make two 3-4 powered creatures in a lot of decks. Also, I don't think the gap of this card's power between a powered and an unpowered cube is all that big. Higher ceiling by being able to grab a Black Lotus, sure, but the critical mass for karnstructs is still very powerful in unpowered cubes, which is where this card's bread and butter are.
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In unpowered I think it actually gets more value if it supports the lands deck than if you support an artifact package. Recurring this with w6, ramunap, loam, etc.. is very strong, and having crop rotation and sylvan scrying makes it a consistent payoff for that archetype./