This is everything I wanted Phyrexian Triniform to be, and then some. Flying over Moat is really nice too. Very comparable to Ancient Stone Idol if you're running that, seems like a decent option for larger cubes looking for more giant robots.
Ancient Stone Idol is a house, and now you're telling me I can have two?! You lose the ability to randomly flash this out against token boards, but I think the flying/vigilance and the better death trigger more than make up for it.
If you have space for one big robot only, is the Triplicate Titan or Ancient Stone Idol better?
I think I like Ancient Stone Idol a bit more since the flash can easily be worth a full card on its own (in order to guarantee at least some value in case they exile the body with an O-Ring or whatever). It also has more total power invested in trampling bodies, and the token(s) form of the card isn't vulnerable to Languish/Wildfire/Deluge effects. Most importantly, it can be cast for less than what you'll pay for the Titan whenever there's attacking creatures around.
But honestly, there's just as many upsides to this, and both flying and vigilance are a big deal. The Titan is also much stronger if you're flipping it in and out of play and getting multiple death triggers.
My only big boi robot left is sundering titan (well Myr Battlesphere, but that's a different animal in that decks actually cast it). Is it time for sundering titan to go? Or maybe Emrakul 2.0.....
I like this quite a bit, More than ancient stone idol but I don't think it replaces Emrakul, sundering titan, or Myr Battlesphere. Works with Green ramp, artifact ramp decks, recurring nightmare, Daretti, Scrap Savant, Tinker, Goblin Welder, Sneak Attack, Through the Breach. Leaving the tokens behind makes it resistant to most removal, the 3 tokens each with a different ability will create some headaches, trying to handle the flying evasion, tempo with the vigillance tokens, and getting past chump blockers with the trample. It can win the game, but isn't an instant I win condition. There are not a lot of cards that support such a wide range of cheat decks effectivly. Even if it isn't the most powerful, its a nice card to pick up early in a draft knowing that you can build a wide range of cheaty strategies without that awkward moment when you realize your best tinker target is a 6 mana castable card.
I might consider trying this over Wurmcoil. Very few of our decks ever want it fairly and most often it's a combo reluctant Tinker target and castable finisher when you're short on game enders.
I might consider trying this over Wurmcoil. Very few of our decks ever want it fairly and most often it's a combo reluctant Tinker target and castable finisher when you're short on game enders.
I really like this thing, and intend on fitting it in, but in Wurmcoil‘s defense, the lifelink makes a HUGE impact against more aggressive strategies, where this might still leave you dead on board. Six is also perfectly attainable earlier and doesn’t always rely on the tinker. I think Wurmcoil is great when you’re behind, and I wouldn’t want to loose that angle.
I will be cutting Kozilek 2.0 and finally breaking the trifecta. Although, I’m also considering cutting a completely different card, because I am slightly concerned all the high-end targets are still being stretched thin across the archetypes that need them
My initial impression is that Ancient Stone Idol has the edge over Triplicate Titan due to its cost reduction, flash, and more trample power. I don't support Welder strategies and typically don't play super expensive creatures in most Recurring Nightmare shells, so the being better recursive creature isn't really a bonus for me. Also, going that wide can block your Oath of Druids.
I might consider trying this over Wurmcoil. Very few of our decks ever want it fairly and most often it's a combo reluctant Tinker target and castable finisher when you're short on game enders.
I still like Wurmcoil Engine a lot more than this. 6-cmc is the sweetspot of being a strong cheaty face target while still being very castable.
It's good in tinker and welder builds, but like steve_man I'm a tad lower on this that most.
I think Wurmcoil Engine and Karn Liberated are both better than this card.
It's on par or slightly worse than Ancient Stone Idol and Blightsteel Colossus to me.
Compared to Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, it has the advantage of being an artifact for tinker / welder and being reanimatible, but the former is still a better hardcast and better Sneaked in. So it depends on which archetypes you support, could go either way.
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My only big boi robot left is sundering titan (well Myr Battlesphere, but that's a different animal in that decks actually cast it). Is it time for sundering titan to go? Or maybe Emrakul 2.0.....
I think I'm actually gonna just give up on having a card for each wedge/shard (which lets me cut like 5 underperformers) and just have a 5c section and more colorless cards.
I will be cutting Kozilek 2.0 and finally breaking the trifecta. Although, I’m also considering cutting a completely different card, because I am slightly concerned all the high-end targets are still being stretched thin across the archetypes that need them
I like the idea of this swap. I'm not sure it'll end up being the correct one, but I definitely like the idea of cutting a cheaty guy for another one, and this would be more of an improvement over cutting another artifact creature.
I'll definitely be finding room for this. What's nice about this (and Stone Idol, which has been great) is that is works really well for nearly every cheaty strategy. Tinker/Welder; Reanimator; Sneak Attack; Channel; Show & Tell etc. Maybe rampable the honest way in a pinch at 9 mana.
I'll definitely be finding room for this. What's nice about this (and Stone Idol, which has been great) is that is works really well for nearly every cheaty strategy. Tinker/Welder; Reanimator; Sneak Attack; Channel; Show & Tell etc. Maybe rampable the honest way in a pinch at 9 mana.
There was an interesting article on CubeCobra by user skyrokit about overlapping with cheat archetypes (I’ll link below) that goes over just this kind of evaluation, and this thing absolutely checks ALL the boxes. If you support all these kinds of decks, it fits into every one like a glove (while also avoiding all the pitfalls like needing to be reanimated at instant speed).
Three 3/3s are a lot of power, but a 6/12 is lot lot bigger on the board (with no stats ofc). Either way, Triplicate Titan looks like it's good enough to have a place in a cube who wants a big robot or two, so it's always nice to have options!
This is everything I wanted Phyrexian Triniform to be, and then some. Flying over Moat is really nice too. Very comparable to Ancient Stone Idol if you're running that, seems like a decent option for larger cubes looking for more giant robots.
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I think I like Ancient Stone Idol a bit more since the flash can easily be worth a full card on its own (in order to guarantee at least some value in case they exile the body with an O-Ring or whatever). It also has more total power invested in trampling bodies, and the token(s) form of the card isn't vulnerable to Languish/Wildfire/Deluge effects. Most importantly, it can be cast for less than what you'll pay for the Titan whenever there's attacking creatures around.
But honestly, there's just as many upsides to this, and both flying and vigilance are a big deal. The Titan is also much stronger if you're flipping it in and out of play and getting multiple death triggers.
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I really like this thing, and intend on fitting it in, but in Wurmcoil‘s defense, the lifelink makes a HUGE impact against more aggressive strategies, where this might still leave you dead on board. Six is also perfectly attainable earlier and doesn’t always rely on the tinker. I think Wurmcoil is great when you’re behind, and I wouldn’t want to loose that angle.
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I will be cutting Kozilek 2.0 and finally breaking the trifecta. Although, I’m also considering cutting a completely different card, because I am slightly concerned all the high-end targets are still being stretched thin across the archetypes that need them
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I still like Wurmcoil Engine a lot more than this. 6-cmc is the sweetspot of being a strong cheaty face target while still being very castable.
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I think Wurmcoil Engine and Karn Liberated are both better than this card.
It's on par or slightly worse than Ancient Stone Idol and Blightsteel Colossus to me.
Compared to Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, it has the advantage of being an artifact for tinker / welder and being reanimatible, but the former is still a better hardcast and better Sneaked in. So it depends on which archetypes you support, could go either way.
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There was an interesting article on CubeCobra by user skyrokit about overlapping with cheat archetypes (I’ll link below) that goes over just this kind of evaluation, and this thing absolutely checks ALL the boxes. If you support all these kinds of decks, it fits into every one like a glove (while also avoiding all the pitfalls like needing to be reanimated at instant speed).
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Works really good with the sneak attack type effects. Tier 2-3 tinker target that CAN be hardcast in an artifact deck.
Underwhelming hardcast in an environment with an abundance of exile effects and artifact destruction. 9 is a LOT of mana.
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