Honestly, I think a 4 mana wrath is a 4 mana wrath. I don't need another one, but if you want one I think it probably beats all the higher cost variants, excepting maybe environments with slower aggressive decks.
Like I was suggesting with my question regarding Fumigate, I don’t think this card is only worth considering under the premise of wanting another wrath. A lot of Cubes play Fumigate, and this may be an upgrade over it.
I think this is better than fumigate. If cast on turn 4 it's unlikely anyone is drawing a card and when your opponents do draw, you should still be gaining enough tempo to stabilize. I'll be swapping Fumigate for StS.
Agree that this is the third best. In the scenarios where you feel forced fire this off on turn 4 and your opponent draws a card from it, you're still probably going to be fairly happy that you aren't having to wait an extra turn to cast it and get clocked by whatever creature(s) are allowing your opponent to draw from this.
That said, I only run 2 wraths in white (plus Winds of Abandon), so I'm not currently in the market for this.
This seems to be an unpopular opinion, but I run Fumigate and, honestly, I don't think I'm interested in replacing it with this. I get that a 4 mana Wrath is better than a 5 mana Wrath, however, I think that given that we have three 4 mana Wraths in white already (counting Supreme Verdict), the upside of Fumigate gaining three or more life helping you to stabilize better makes it more desirable to me. I'm willing to concede this choice later, especially if my group seems to want this more, but right now I have no plans on making that swap.
Ooooooh, I like this idea a lot. The number of times that Supreme Verdict's uncounterability has come up is infrequent, and freeing up a guild slot sounds nice.
I like Gideon of the Trials, but I do like the idea of adding this Wrath as a way to remove Supreme Verdict from a stacked guild with other great options.
I much prefer settle the wreckage to having a 3rd mono-white wrath. It sees play in many decks that where really unexcited to run a regular wrath. I don't feel I need more than 2 wipes in any color until I was around 630 in size.
I much prefer settle the wreckage to having a 3rd mono-white wrath. It sees play in many decks that where really unexcited to run a regular wrath. I don't feel I need more than 2 wipes in any color until I was around 630 in size.
At 465, I like having three in black and think white could likely use one more. I wish white had a 3-mana option like black does. I realize that cutting Supreme Verdict is kind of a sideways move but it gives me a third mono-white Wrath and frees up a guild slot. We need the cheap Wraths to keep the aggro/control/midrange meta somewhat in balance. I'm more excited for Shatter the Sky than any other card in the set and it will likely be my only inclusion.
I much prefer settle the wreckage to having a 3rd mono-white wrath. It sees play in many decks that where really unexcited to run a regular wrath. I don't feel I need more than 2 wipes in any color until I was around 630 in size.
At 465, I like having three in black and think white could likely use one more. I wish white had a 3-mana option like black does. I realize that cutting Supreme Verdict is kind of a sideways move but it gives me a third mono-white Wrath and frees up a guild slot. We need the cheap Wraths to keep the aggro/control/midrange meta somewhat in balance. I'm more excited for Shatter the Sky than any other card in the set and it will likely be my only inclusion.
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I think it is important for all cube managers to find their balance. I enjoy wrath, settle, catastrophe. But at times I have used Day of Judgement, terminus, and Supreme verdict. So it is likely this will end up in the stable of those cards. I have a personal preference for avoiding functional reprints when I can get a little variety for minor differences in performance. Black board wipes are great in that way. Supreme verdict is the only one unlikely to come backs as white has good enough ones without needing to fill a gold slot.
And you have me rethinking. I have been cut happy size going down to 360 but at 465, 3-4 is probably the right number.
Seems like a solid card, in control its annoying having to wrath away a solid threat to get rid of a field of x=<3 power creatures, but this at least gets you a card back.
Does my cube need another 4 mana wrath though? It might be nice to try, but my wraths are both full art foils...
I might start considering cutting supreme verdict as well. Azorious has quite a few options so I might need to ponder a while to figure out what change I want to make
I would have said cutting Supreme Verdict is unthinkable, but I'm kinda getting swayed by the idea of freeing up that guild slot. I really like my gold slots helping to support interesting archetypes ...
... okay, a sweeper is good for control, but I'd rather see something a little more exciting if I can manage it. Maybe more flicker support, or thopter-Dovin, I dunno.
I would have said cutting Supreme Verdict is unthinkable, but I'm kinda getting swayed by the idea of freeing up that guild slot. I really like my gold slots helping to support interesting archetypes ...
... okay, a sweeper is good for control, but I'd rather see something a little more exciting if I can manage it. Maybe more flicker support, or thopter-Dovin, I dunno.
There are at least 4 playable walkers, geist, 3 great removal cards,dragonlord, reflector mage... and on and on. Really one of the tightest guilds. I would need a huge section to bring back verdict
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It has the potential downside of giving your opponent a card more often than casters of this spell would like. I think it boils down to two things:
1) Does your Cube want another wrath?
2) How often will only your opponent draw a card from the wrath?
#2 is what I'm really curious about and would love some feedback from people who test this card.
I'm at 540 and it definitely has my attention. Finding a cut is difficult though. Not sure if my Cube needs a 10th wrath effect at 540.
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Honestly, I think a 4 mana wrath is a 4 mana wrath. I don't need another one, but if you want one I think it probably beats all the higher cost variants, excepting maybe environments with slower aggressive decks.
If you want more wraths, this is a good one.
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That said, I only run 2 wraths in white (plus Winds of Abandon), so I'm not currently in the market for this.
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I like Gideon of the Trials, but I do like the idea of adding this Wrath as a way to remove Supreme Verdict from a stacked guild with other great options.
At 465, I like having three in black and think white could likely use one more. I wish white had a 3-mana option like black does. I realize that cutting Supreme Verdict is kind of a sideways move but it gives me a third mono-white Wrath and frees up a guild slot. We need the cheap Wraths to keep the aggro/control/midrange meta somewhat in balance. I'm more excited for Shatter the Sky than any other card in the set and it will likely be my only inclusion.
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I think it is important for all cube managers to find their balance. I enjoy wrath, settle, catastrophe. But at times I have used Day of Judgement, terminus, and Supreme verdict. So it is likely this will end up in the stable of those cards. I have a personal preference for avoiding functional reprints when I can get a little variety for minor differences in performance. Black board wipes are great in that way. Supreme verdict is the only one unlikely to come backs as white has good enough ones without needing to fill a gold slot.
And you have me rethinking. I have been cut happy size going down to 360 but at 465, 3-4 is probably the right number.
Does my cube need another 4 mana wrath though? It might be nice to try, but my wraths are both full art foils...
http://www.cubetutor.com/cubeblog/63569
... okay, a sweeper is good for control, but I'd rather see something a little more exciting if I can manage it. Maybe more flicker support, or thopter-Dovin, I dunno.
There are at least 4 playable walkers, geist, 3 great removal cards,dragonlord, reflector mage... and on and on. Really one of the tightest guilds. I would need a huge section to bring back verdict