Massacre Girl 3BB
Legendary Creature - Human Assassin
Menace
When Massacre Girl enters the battlefield, each other creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn. Whenever a creature dies this turn, each creature other than Massacre Girl gets -1/-1 until end of turn.
4/4
It's a black 5 that has a high ceiling, but is very matchup-dependent. Thoughts?
This is a really interesting card that I think I want to test. It can spiral out of control and wrath the whole board and be the only creature left standing. But it can affect you as well. I will have to pay attention to board states to see how it would fare but at 540 I'm gonna give it a shot.
I imagine she could play well if built around. Even if your opponent doesn't have any X/1s, you can trade off your Bloodsoaked Champions and Bloodghasts for your opponent's large creatures, then get back your recursive guys, making her play more like Plauge Wind than Damnation.
Honestly this effect is really strong. If anyone here’s ever played hearthstone, defile was a marquee card for a reason, and in cube in most boardstates there is a 1/1 on the board, so it’s almost wcs is massacre wurm. I’m imagining this is going to avg case of at least -3/-3 to nonher board.
This one is interesting, but I feel like ultimately its going to be a miss. The decks where I want to run sweepers (let alone 5 mana sweepers) tend to be very creature light and most likely wont have many 1 toughness creatures, if any, to start the massacre rolling. Massacre Girl also is a total blank against decks that only have a few big threats like control/combo/reanimator. It never feels great to cast a wrath to take out a single creature, but it's often necessary and is a totally acceptable play if the board calls for it. Massacre Girl is just useless as a sweeper unless there are several bodies on the board which limits her effectiveness against non aggro/midrange archetypes.
I love the idea of a sweeper on legs that leaves behind an evasive beater, but in order for me to cube one it needs to be reliable. Pass.
This one is interesting, but I feel like ultimately its going to be a miss. The decks where I want to run sweepers (let alone 5 mana sweepers) tend to be very creature light and most likely wont have many 1 toughness creatures, if any, to start the massacre rolling.
I think this card is not meant for the decks you're referring to. Think of this card for Recurring Nightmare decks, black midrange decks, and stax decks. I would not play it in the usual black control decks, but I think it can be exciting in decks that can recur the body. And those decks have a density of disposable low-toughness creatures to really turn the card into an asymmetrical wrath because the creatures of yours that die are like Bitterblossom tokens.
The real question is if those decks are common enough in your cube to justify the inclusion.
This is a really weird card, it will all come down to how often you have x/1s in play. I think it will end up playing better than it looks. If there are no x/1 creatures on board then her menace is likly doing good work anyway by offtering up some trades.
I think it will mae for some fun stories where you manage to turn her ability on its owner and pick off something with burn to take her chain reaction further than intended.
Seems great in stacks decks along side the recuring 1 drops.
I'll proabaly hold off on including her, but ill keep an eye on reports.
Very cool card, I don't think she's good enough.
Too matchup dependent of a card.
If you play her in a deck with creatures, and play against a deck without many creatures, she's a 4/4 menace for 5 with a downside.
If you play her in a deck without creatures, the body isn't that relevant, and plenty of board states where she does nothing.
In the right matchup the card is great, but I think the floor is too common to justify an inclusion. Reasonable as a pseudo sideboard card tho
One factor that I think may be being discounted too much is that her ability does not solely trigger off models killed by the initial -1/-1. Even after that initial trigger resolves, her triggers can be activated on that turn by other removal, sacrifices, or even combat. I can see a lot of non-obvious use cases for this, from skullclamping your own x/2 to get the train rolling, using it post combat after a "bad" attack, or using the threat of it to get a swarm of x/2's past large blockers in a game of mutually assured destruction that leaves you with a 4/4. And, as with other cards that have symmetrical effects on the battlefield, characterizing it as having a downside strikes me as off, when you can play with the knowledge of it in your hand/deck in mind.
The games where this chains together and becomes an ETB languish are obviously insane, but what percentage of board states are that? Less than 25% I'd guess. The fact that it does stone NOTHING if there isn't an X/1 kills it IMO. I know it's a guild slot, but I'd just run Magister of Worth again before this.
I think this is a card that needs to be tried before we can really see how good it is. Nevertheless, it's always conditional. A conditional 5cc black card is not what most people are looking for, even if it is really good 75% of the time.
This is very cool however, and if you have it in your hand early, you can sculpt your board to make it really favor you.
I love that the trigger order works out correctly to clear Kitchen Finks and the like. I think the way the Girl works is cool enough that I'd be running her even if her power level wasn't quite there, but I think she's strong enough to make a splash. Random X/1s on the board are just very common.
I don't know if this is going to be good, but the effect is really cool and could make for some interesting play decisions. I haven't picked up the 6/6 surveil demon yet, so I'll probably test this for a while before picking the demon up.
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Too matchup / situationally dependent, IMO. I need a little more guarantee from my 5-drops, and I'd much rather just pay the extra B for Massacre Wurm.
you need to make your deck to go off with this. play a deck that runs a pile of recursive 2/1s and 1/1 tokens. lay this to wipe the board and go to pound town.
This creature is a mana too late for a wrath effect, and you have little to no garantee of it killing the creatures you want. In hearthstone defile was a powerhouse because you could trade your minions into the enemy's at will, setting up the board wipe using the hp of both player's creatures. In magic, that isn't an option. That said it is a sweet card and I would love to pull it in the prerelease.
Honestly this effect is really strong. If anyone here’s ever played hearthstone, defile was a marquee card for a reason, and in cube in most boardstates there is a 1/1 on the board, so it’s almost wcs is massacre wurm. I’m imagining this is going to avg case of at least -3/-3 to nonher board.
Hearthstone is a different game though. In Hearthstone you can built up to a boardstate where the effect is awesome mutch more easily. You can damage creatures for example. Plus, the effect to damage a creature with defile is permanent.
In addition to that, the decks with defile play a lot of cheap creatures with a good deathrattle effect. In cube, I doubt this card will be all that busted. It is just to unreliable to be a stabilizing factor, and you do not really want to built your deck to optimize Massacre Girl.
But it is surely a fun and refreshing card.
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3BB
Legendary Creature - Human Assassin
Menace
When Massacre Girl enters the battlefield, each other creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn. Whenever a creature dies this turn, each creature other than Massacre Girl gets -1/-1 until end of turn.
4/4
It's a black 5 that has a high ceiling, but is very matchup-dependent. Thoughts?
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I love the idea of a sweeper on legs that leaves behind an evasive beater, but in order for me to cube one it needs to be reliable. Pass.
I think this card is not meant for the decks you're referring to. Think of this card for Recurring Nightmare decks, black midrange decks, and stax decks. I would not play it in the usual black control decks, but I think it can be exciting in decks that can recur the body. And those decks have a density of disposable low-toughness creatures to really turn the card into an asymmetrical wrath because the creatures of yours that die are like Bitterblossom tokens.
The real question is if those decks are common enough in your cube to justify the inclusion.
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I think it will mae for some fun stories where you manage to turn her ability on its owner and pick off something with burn to take her chain reaction further than intended.
Seems great in stacks decks along side the recuring 1 drops.
I'll proabaly hold off on including her, but ill keep an eye on reports.
Too matchup dependent of a card.
If you play her in a deck with creatures, and play against a deck without many creatures, she's a 4/4 menace for 5 with a downside.
If you play her in a deck without creatures, the body isn't that relevant, and plenty of board states where she does nothing.
In the right matchup the card is great, but I think the floor is too common to justify an inclusion. Reasonable as a pseudo sideboard card tho
Not testing at the moment, but Sleeper potential
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This is very cool however, and if you have it in your hand early, you can sculpt your board to make it really favor you.
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I want my wraths to be consistent. This is too random for me.
Hearthstone is a different game though. In Hearthstone you can built up to a boardstate where the effect is awesome mutch more easily. You can damage creatures for example. Plus, the effect to damage a creature with defile is permanent.
In addition to that, the decks with defile play a lot of cheap creatures with a good deathrattle effect. In cube, I doubt this card will be all that busted. It is just to unreliable to be a stabilizing factor, and you do not really want to built your deck to optimize Massacre Girl.
But it is surely a fun and refreshing card.