A colorless 3-mana 3/1 flying crew-2 vehicle that comes with a 2/2, both artifacts. Even unsupported, this is good rate, and the synergy it has with artifact decks is very nice. Since it's colourless, it can slot into any aggressive or midrange deck. Definitely including this.
I like this card.
It's versatile, simple , effecient , make multiple artifact permanents for 3 mana and is a workshop threat.
Totally fine low pick playable in any agressive deck that also would see play in many artifact decks.
It's a card that's probably never exciting, but will find a home in many decks.
Not a slam dunk, but worthy of a test. Now that there's a few cubeable vehciles, I'd love to see a card printed that's cubeable with powerful vehicle synergies.
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Not a slam dunk, but worthy of a test. Now that there's a few cubeable vehciles, I'd love to see a card printed that's cubeable with powerful vehicle synergies.
The closest we have, I believe, are Greasefang and Tezzeret. I'm not sure if these do enough in that slot. Maybe if we get some sort of Stoneforge Mystic for Vehicles in the future.
3 mana for a 3/1 flyer is below rate by ~2 degrees (when compared to 3/1 flash flyers in blue), or just 1 degree since it's colorless. Of course this provides more value than that, but Crew 2 really brings down the impact of this accompanying 2/2. If you use a different creature than the 2/2 to crew this, isn't it likely that now-tapped creature was better than a vanilla 2/2, and would have been more effective in combat? Here's a comparison with a similar card:
Grafted Wargear
Pay 3 mana once
Turns a 2/1 into a 5/3
If it dies, the 2/1 dies
Summoning-sick creatures don't benefit
0-mana sac outlet
Night Scythe
Pay 3 mana once
Turns a 2/1 into a 3/1 flyer
If it dies, the 2/2 remains
Summoning-sick creatures can crew, freeing up the 2/2
makes 2 artifacts & can be blinked
It's a safer, more consistent version of this effect - but personally I'd prefer to lean my aggro slots towards the explosive side of the spectrum.
I guess I haven’t actually commented here yet? Think this card is pretty gas. If you imagine that the 2/2 couldn’t attack or block while this is in play (like extraction specialist) it would still be kinda decent —- 3/1 flyer that dies into a 2/2 is acceptable rate for a colorless card with artifact synergies. But in reality it’s not hard at all for this to add 5 attacking power for several turns after you play it, which is pretty cracked with the evasion and CA. I think this will exceed people’s expectations in play, much like chariot.
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I like this card, but it might be too expensive at 3 mana. I am very curious how it tests though.
god i know rite! why couldnt this been 2 mana or something like pay some amount of life in addition to the 2
Because it would be silly broken?
i actually dont think that would be that broken SL, i mean honestly, a 2 mana 3/1 flying vehicle w/ crew 2 that makes a 2/2 black warrior artifact creature doesnt seem that crazy man. i mean sure it doesnt suck, but its no umezawa's jitte, sol ring, library of alexandria, black lotus or ancestral recall
hell oona's prowler used to be a staple not that too many yrs ago
i actually dont think that would be that broken SL, i mean honestly, a 2 mana 3/1 flying vehicle w/ crew 2 that makes a 2/2 black warrior artifact creature doesnt seem that crazy man. i mean sure it doesnt suck, but its no umezawa's jitte, sol ring, library of alexandria, black lotus or ancestral recall
hell oona's prowler used to be a staple not that too many yrs ago
For a vintage cube perhaps, but you should consider other constructed format, and clearly it would be broken in those.
I will try this card tho, not sure it will stay, it's a bit hard to find room at 450.
i actually dont think that would be that broken SL, i mean honestly, a 2 mana 3/1 flying vehicle w/ crew 2 that makes a 2/2 black warrior artifact creature doesnt seem that crazy man. i mean sure it doesnt suck, but its no umezawa's jitte, sol ring, library of alexandria, black lotus or ancestral recall
hell oona's prowler used to be a staple not that too many yrs ago
For a vintage cube perhaps, but you should consider other constructed format, and clearly it would be broken in those.
I will try this card tho, not sure it will stay, it's a bit hard to find room at 450.
as opposed to a 2 mana 3/3 flying vehicle with crew 1 that draws a card on attacks or blocks BM? WotC doesn’t really have the greatest track record for balancing cards for formats; just saying
Copter is a known developmental mistake and this card at 2 would be much better…
i just dont think thats necessarily true SL. dont get me wrong 2 mana for a 2/2 artifact duder & a 3/1 flying vehicle w/ crew 2 is fantastic! however a 2 mana 3/3 flying vehicle w/ crew 1 that may loot whenever its on offense or defense is @ least equally fantastic & i would argue an even better card in practice once you start considering the potential of the cards it may draw you & it doesnt die to some random 1/1 flying token either
Copter is a known developmental mistake and this card at 2 would be much better…
i just dont think thats necessarily true SL. dont get me wrong 2 mana for a 2/2 artifact duder & a 3/1 flying vehicle w/ crew 2 is fantastic! however a 2 mana 3/3 flying vehicle w/ crew 1 that may loot whenever its on offense or defense is @ least equally fantastic & i would argue an even better card in practice once you start considering the potential of the cards it may draw you & it doesnt die to some random 1/1 flying token either
the 3/3 loot is not as fantastic — more toughness and selection are indeed great, but being one card instead of two and 3 power instead of 5 is too much to overcome.
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This @ 2 mana would be significantly better than smugglers copter.
Two relevant permanents on the battlefield for 2 mana is huge. There's many cheap answers that can 1 for 1 the copter, but there's none that could trade effectively with night scythe. A colorless 2 mana 2 for 1 with board presence, high power and evasion would be nuts.
There's many more broken cards in magic history than this theoretical card, but I think it would be good enough to fall in the category of broken.
A colorless 3-mana 3/1 flying crew-2 vehicle that comes with a 2/2, both artifacts. Even unsupported, this is good rate, and the synergy it has with artifact decks is very nice. Since it's colourless, it can slot into any aggressive or midrange deck. Definitely including this.
It's versatile, simple , effecient , make multiple artifact permanents for 3 mana and is a workshop threat.
Totally fine low pick playable in any agressive deck that also would see play in many artifact decks.
It's a card that's probably never exciting, but will find a home in many decks.
Not a slam dunk, but worthy of a test. Now that there's a few cubeable vehciles, I'd love to see a card printed that's cubeable with powerful vehicle synergies.
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The closest we have, I believe, are Greasefang and Tezzeret. I'm not sure if these do enough in that slot. Maybe if we get some sort of Stoneforge Mystic for Vehicles in the future.
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Grafted Wargear
Pay 3 mana once
Turns a 2/1 into a 5/3
If it dies, the 2/1 dies
Summoning-sick creatures don't benefit
0-mana sac outlet
Night Scythe
Pay 3 mana once
Turns a 2/1 into a 3/1 flyer
If it dies, the 2/2 remains
Summoning-sick creatures can crew, freeing up the 2/2
makes 2 artifacts & can be blinked
It's a safer, more consistent version of this effect - but personally I'd prefer to lean my aggro slots towards the explosive side of the spectrum.
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god i know rite! why couldnt this been 2 mana or something like pay some amount of life in addition to the 2
Because it would be silly broken?
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i actually dont think that would be that broken SL, i mean honestly, a 2 mana 3/1 flying vehicle w/ crew 2 that makes a 2/2 black warrior artifact creature doesnt seem that crazy man. i mean sure it doesnt suck, but its no umezawa's jitte, sol ring, library of alexandria, black lotus or ancestral recall
hell oona's prowler used to be a staple not that too many yrs ago
For a vintage cube perhaps, but you should consider other constructed format, and clearly it would be broken in those.
I will try this card tho, not sure it will stay, it's a bit hard to find room at 450.
as opposed to a 2 mana 3/3 flying vehicle with crew 1 that draws a card on attacks or blocks BM? WotC doesn’t really have the greatest track record for balancing cards for formats; just saying
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Downside really is vehicles occupy the same space as equipment. There are a lot of better equipment support in cube.
Overall will try if I can easily get my hands on the card.
i just dont think thats necessarily true SL. dont get me wrong 2 mana for a 2/2 artifact duder & a 3/1 flying vehicle w/ crew 2 is fantastic! however a 2 mana 3/3 flying vehicle w/ crew 1 that may loot whenever its on offense or defense is @ least equally fantastic & i would argue an even better card in practice once you start considering the potential of the cards it may draw you & it doesnt die to some random 1/1 flying token either
the 3/3 loot is not as fantastic — more toughness and selection are indeed great, but being one card instead of two and 3 power instead of 5 is too much to overcome.
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This @ 2 mana would be significantly better than smugglers copter.
Two relevant permanents on the battlefield for 2 mana is huge. There's many cheap answers that can 1 for 1 the copter, but there's none that could trade effectively with night scythe. A colorless 2 mana 2 for 1 with board presence, high power and evasion would be nuts.
There's many more broken cards in magic history than this theoretical card, but I think it would be good enough to fall in the category of broken.
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