Quote from hoodwink »Wait, so does everyone think these are better than signets? I always thought the conventional wisdom was the opposite.
Quote from jamis »Quote from hoodwink »Wait, so does everyone think these are better than signets? I always thought the conventional wisdom was the opposite.
Signets sometimes lead to situations where you have two islands and a blue signet, with Force Spike and Counterspell in hand, but can't keep both up because of the way Signets filter. Talismans let you cast both. Talismans also let you cast a talisman turn 2 and follow it up with a 1-drop, where Signets only let you cast the Signet turn 2.
Quote from hoodwink »
For sure, all the arguments for the Talismans being good make sense to me. What I don't understand is, if they're so powerful, why don't they show up with any amount of frequency in powered lists? At least at the same rate as the signets?
Take a look at the average 360 list on CubeTutor. All 10 signets, not a single talisman. This holds true all the way up to 720.
Hell, look at your list. You're running all 10 signets but not a single talisman (according to CT). Same with the lists of wtwlf, rantipole, and all the other frequent cubers, as far as I can tell. If they're so close in value, you'd think you'd see the Talismans show up more often in a few lists, yeah?
Quote from DonRon »Signets > Talismans in most situations. Fixes mana for no life. Sure there are corner cases, but unless you need that colorless mana from Talismans, signets win 90% of the time.