Liliana, Dreadhorde General 4BB
Legendary Planeswalker - Liliana
Whenever a creature you control dies, draw a card.
+1: Create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
-4: Each player sacrifices two creatures.
-9: Each opponent chooses a permanent they control of each permanent type and sacrifices the rest.
6 starting loyalty
Seems solid at stabilizing a board. Not sure 6 is where we need this effect, but it's a strong card.
At 6 mana this really needs to make more than a single zombie token with no abilities. I like that it keeps to the theme of Liliana being a "symmetrical" PW but not really though....Barter in Blood, but I draw cards off of mine. The ultimate seems like a white effect (Cataclysm) to me--even if it one-sided--which is really disappointing. This might compete with five mana Liliana if only due to the card draw but five mana Liliana also gives you a backup plan for reanimator so its probably still better...
I love the static ability, and I love the Barter in Blood. Actually I love all the abilities, but at six mana, this is coming late to the durdle party. By this time Barter in Blood isn't always the wrath you need it to be to be on top with your now 2 loyalty planeswalker.
But if anybody is ever in the market for an expensive black toolbox, it's going to be hard to do better. I don't think traditional cubes have a home for this, but it's definitely a cubeable card.
She strikes me as a solid finisher. Her -4 is better than Barter in Blood due to her static ability, which will also give you draws off your tokens. I appreciate cards that encourage sacrifice, although, this seems a bit late for your average aristocrats deck. Still, though, I think she could be kinda fun. Will test.
I got burned saying this about 6CMC Elspeth, who ended up being easily one of the top 3 W PW's, but a 6CMC PW needs to be really, really impressive, and I think she's not quite there. The static ability is nice, and she's pretty good if you're behind with the barter in blood effect, but she doesn't close out the game that well on her own. I think I'll pass on this, but I think she's close so other people's testing may sway me.
Abilities are nice, but 6 mana is too expensive, IMO. There’s not enough of your own creatures to proc the trigger in a control deck, and I don’t think this is pro-active enough for token / midrange decks. She’s cubeable, but I think Death’s Majesty is way better, and I like other 6 mana options more like Noxious Gearhulk / Massacre Wurm.
Think she's cube playable.
Not far below 6 mana Chandra/Elspeth power (But I expect she's below)
-4 Sacrifice two creatures , can take out some key hard to kill creatures and is a strong way of protecting her in some matchups
+1 = Make zombie / Static Ability = Draw a card on creature death / 7 loyalty
Attacking her down will be a nightmare.
Like , say I have 7 power of attackers on the ground, do I really want to attack for two turns and give my opponent two cards while doing so?
She's bad in wide board states or when very behind, so you'd want to have her in a deck that is good at preventing those scenarios.
I don't really want a 6 mana black planeswalker, but she's good enough to give a test run. Unsure on how likely she'll stick.
Bonus points for being an interesting curve topper in a deck that is saccing creatures.
Funny, I do want a 6 mana black planeswalker, or a 5, and Liliana, Death's Majesty didn't do too much for me.
I think the loyalty here is huge. It's going to be hard to get rid of. The static ability is pretty sweet, too, and I think the static abilities on these are going to be hard to gauge until we get some reps in.
I'm definitely curious.
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I really want to like this card, but for 6 mana I want a card that is capable of ending the game, and this Liliana does a pretty poor job of that. And as good as that -4 can be, it’s really hard to build back up to it. Maybe in very grindy cubes this is a strong value engine, but I don’t see it making the cut in most.
Funny, I do want a 6 mana black planeswalker, or a 5, and Liliana, Death's Majesty didn't do too much for me.
I think the loyalty here is huge. It's going to be hard to get rid of. The static ability is pretty sweet, too, and I think the static abilities on these are going to be hard to gauge until we get some reps in.
I'm definitely curious.
I have actually been pleasantly surprised by Lili death's majesty - I kind of tested her on a whim and she is just such a great value midrange planeswalker. She's so good with value ETB critters.
I just wish they'd print a playable non-lili black PW for once lol.
She seem very solid but I don't know if I will find space for her as a 6 mana walker. It feels like she might come down a little too late in a lot of games.
7 Loyalty is an awful lot though so she will be a pain to kill, I could see her just hanging out on a lot of boards generating 2/2s and drawing cards and occasionally Barter in Blood if your opponents board is building.
Static abilities on walkers definitely make it a bit more difficult to gauge their power. I do really like that she helps stacks, tokens and aristocrats for anyone with those archtypes.
I've wanted playable edict effects for a while now, but didn't want them to cost 6...
We'd probably try her over Ob Nixilis, Reignited but I'm unenthusiastic about her. She is very bad at closing games. Decks that want to cast a value engine for six mana don't usually pack many creatures to capitalize on her abilities. At stabilizing she is matchup dependent. Against token decks she will be bad, many other decks will have utility bodies and/or disposable mana elves. Then again there is the competition from six mana black creatures, that play double duty as reanimation targets.
I really love this walker and I'm excited to put her to work in my Varina EDH deck, but I think she's a bit too narrow/expensive to be more than an archetype specific bomb in cube. And the archetype she's best in is secondary or tertiary in my black section. I'm going to have to pass, unfortunately.
It's been okay. You really need to trigger her static ability to make her great, and honestly I think the rate I've seen it trigger when she's actually cast is less than 20%.
Liliana, Dreadhorde General
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Legendary Planeswalker - Liliana
Whenever a creature you control dies, draw a card.
+1: Create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
-4: Each player sacrifices two creatures.
-9: Each opponent chooses a permanent they control of each permanent type and sacrifices the rest.
6 starting loyalty
Seems solid at stabilizing a board. Not sure 6 is where we need this effect, but it's a strong card.
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But if anybody is ever in the market for an expensive black toolbox, it's going to be hard to do better. I don't think traditional cubes have a home for this, but it's definitely a cubeable card.
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Not far below 6 mana Chandra/Elspeth power (But I expect she's below)
-4 Sacrifice two creatures , can take out some key hard to kill creatures and is a strong way of protecting her in some matchups
+1 = Make zombie / Static Ability = Draw a card on creature death / 7 loyalty
Attacking her down will be a nightmare.
Like , say I have 7 power of attackers on the ground, do I really want to attack for two turns and give my opponent two cards while doing so?
She's bad in wide board states or when very behind, so you'd want to have her in a deck that is good at preventing those scenarios.
I don't really want a 6 mana black planeswalker, but she's good enough to give a test run. Unsure on how likely she'll stick.
Bonus points for being an interesting curve topper in a deck that is saccing creatures.
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I think the loyalty here is huge. It's going to be hard to get rid of. The static ability is pretty sweet, too, and I think the static abilities on these are going to be hard to gauge until we get some reps in.
I'm definitely curious.
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I have actually been pleasantly surprised by Lili death's majesty - I kind of tested her on a whim and she is just such a great value midrange planeswalker. She's so good with value ETB critters.
I just wish they'd print a playable non-lili black PW for once lol.
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7 Loyalty is an awful lot though so she will be a pain to kill, I could see her just hanging out on a lot of boards generating 2/2s and drawing cards and occasionally Barter in Blood if your opponents board is building.
Static abilities on walkers definitely make it a bit more difficult to gauge their power. I do really like that she helps stacks, tokens and aristocrats for anyone with those archtypes.
We'd probably try her over Ob Nixilis, Reignited but I'm unenthusiastic about her. She is very bad at closing games. Decks that want to cast a value engine for six mana don't usually pack many creatures to capitalize on her abilities. At stabilizing she is matchup dependent. Against token decks she will be bad, many other decks will have utility bodies and/or disposable mana elves. Then again there is the competition from six mana black creatures, that play double duty as reanimation targets.
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It’s certainly powerful, but a clear tier below 6 mana elspeth and Chandra.
Barter and blood can be very powerful and she’s near Impossible to kill without removal.
She doesn’t directly enable any archetypes and I find black is one of the least common ramp colours.
I think she’s fringe at 540 and slots comfortably into 720+ range
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