Quote from wtwlf123As far as choosing a finisher for dedicated blue control, it has all of the qualities I look for. Evasion, protection and defense.
Quote from LordOfTexasEvasion and protection, I agree. Defense, not really. A Rust Scarab/Water Elemental is not a good defensive return for the mana investment.
Quote from noshadowkickSorry I meant Consecrated. The good sphinx.
Quote from wtwlf123That card's so insane that it needs reminder text on it that lets you know you can kick your opponent right in the junk when it resolves.
Quote from NofWhen I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
Quote from noshadowkickWould anyone cut Keiga or Sphinx for this card?
Quote from wtwlf1234/5 is huge. But even if you're blocking something that's bigger than that, you can always either pump the toughness to avoid trample damage, or simply pay U to remove him before damage.
you know it can change its power and toughness, right? and you can block and blink to survive any attacker. so it pretty much blanks any single attacker and bashes for 8 each cycle. that's... pretty good.
Quote from LordOfTexasLeatherback Baloth is "huge". Palinchron without flying is not. Mana cost matters when evaluating P/T. Also, any removal spell on the 'Ling means he has to flicker or die, something that is not true for a creature with actual Shroud/Hexproof. Not to mention that you can't "always" pump him, especially on the turn he comes down.
Defense matters most on the first turn you drop this guy, when you are unlikely to have mana to pump him. And again, you have to compare him against other 7 drops in terms of defense, which I already did above, and he's the worst of any commonly run 7-drop in terms of defensive board presence. "Bashes for 8 each cycle" is not part of defense, I already stated that he is good on offense.
Quote from HichamI think I still value Sphinx of Jar-Jar higher. He is so thrustworhty. A lot of decks just cannot handle a big flying shroud creature.
To be as thrustworhty I would need to have 7 mana to play this guy.
Sure this guy can bash for 8, but he dodges removal by not dealing combat damage, which kind of sucks. I understand that he has the big upside of surviving Wraths but generally you are the one playing those anyway.
Quote from wtwlf123If all I was getting was a 4/5 for 7 mana, ya. It would be a bad blocker. But when you have an 8-power unblockable attacker AND a 4/5 blocker in one unkillable package, that's tremendous value for the mana.
Still don't like him more than morphling, but the point I think they're making is that he bashes in for 8 AND blocks and lives. What makes him so good, which I think you not quite getting (not trying to insult, just based on what I see) is that he performs something that none of you other finishers do, which is to defend and attack both at the same time with a single card.
Quote from LordOfTexasWe are talking about his defensive value. I already said he gets 5 stars in the "offense" and "resilience" columns. FOR A 7 DROP, a 4/5 water elemental w/ vigilance and no other defensive ability is not a good defensive value.
Quote from LordOfTexasthere are definitely some things he doesn't do as well as other ~7 mana finishers.
Quote from KonfusiusOr even worse, if you need it on defense, a removal spell gets rid of AEtherling for one turn and that might just be enough, considering it is a seven-drop. That is my main issue with the card actually, it will eventually win the game if they don't have Icy Manipulator or something, but can you actually stabilize with it?
Quote from eidolon232Imo this is the best blue creature that costs > 6 mana and I wouldn't mind running a single 7 drop in blue. However blue already has Upheaval, Karn (which technically is a colorless card, but very frequently ends up in the blue decks) and whatever big artifact creature you end up picking in the hope of opening a Tinker later.
You can't be serious man. Frost Titan freezes a creature on attack, which is basically the same thing as blocking, but better in many circumstances (worse in a few). Wurmcoil Engine, Baneslayer Angel, and Griselbrand gain a ton of life on the attack, which is similar to blocking a large creature. Sheoldred reanimates a blocker every turn, and kills an opposing attacker every turn, all while attacking. Grave Titan makes two blockers on attack, Inferno Titan kills multiple guys on attack or kills them outright, Battlesphere can leave blockers behind on attack or kill the opponent outright, Elesh Norn cripples/kills the opposing team and pumps your own while attacking. I could keep going. Aetherling having vigilance is nice, but it still pales in defensive value to most other finishers in the cube.
This is the part of my post where I reiterate that Aetherling is a strong card and possibly worthy of inclusion, but there are definitely some things he doesn't do as well as other ~7 mana finishers.
Quote from KBH
That strategy has waned heavily and was never any fun besides. Aetherling isnt' going to revive it and no one I play with will be sorry about that. Honestly, I think Cube has been lucky the last few years that the game has been going in a different direction and the enormous refocusing this has brought about in Cube design.
Quote from Chisinf »He isnt as impressive as the others if you play him on 6 but if you happen to play him with any mana open or untap with him, he is much more imposing.
Quote from Ausschliessi »Well blue finishers have never been the best in creating an unfair board advantage when they hit the battlefield and in a normal U Control build I value it higher than Keiga, JwarJwar and Frost Titan at least (of course you can never be sure without testing).
Also, he is great with the Upheaval, Jokulhaups, Wildfire decks that my cube heavily supports and thus is the perfect card for my cube.
Quote from wtwlf123I agree with this as well. Blue has a lot of solid finishing options, but none that really blow me away. Consecrated Sphinx is a sick creature, but it's more of a CA engine with a P/T value than it is a true finisher. The rest of them are all serviceable, but don't excite me. I would be excited about resolving this creature.
Quote from Salmo »It's just about reasonable expectations.