If you have the full suite of duals, shocks and triomes, I like Bad River more than the Temple, so Temple would be my cut in that case. If not, and most of the premium targets for the fetch are missing, I'd cut it and keep the River and Temple for now.
No triomes (are these considered staples, these days?) but yes to the duals and remaining shocks.
As I was thinking about this, I was actually coming to the conclusion that maybe it's underground river that should go - I don't run eldrazi displacer so there's little incentive for the colourless mana.
I don't think the triomes are even particularly popular, let alone staples. I think they're really cool, but I've been tinkering with Astral Slide / Drift and have a clear bias regarding the cycling keyword. I think wtwlf is suggesting that Bad River becomes a stronger card when you give yourself more legal fetch targets, which the triomes are certainly nice for. But, if you exclude one, you might find less appeal in the other.
I think painlands are quite useful even if you're not including eldrazi; the opportunity to immediately tap for two different colors of mana is appreciated by just about any deck. If I were not running triomes, I would probably sooner cut the Bad River than Underground River.
No triomes (are these considered staples, these days?) but yes to the duals and remaining shocks.
As I was thinking about this, I was actually coming to the conclusion that maybe it's underground river that should go - I don't run eldrazi displacer so there's little incentive for the colourless mana.
The Triomes aren't staples, but they're good cards.
Underground River is the best of those 3 lands even if you don't needC.
I haven't played Iroan Games, but Surrak > Sovereign for sure, and I'm pretty sure it's above Games as well. It almost always has haste when you cast it, and anything coming down afterwards definitely will. The only knock against it is that it can be awkward if most of your green 5s are army-in-a-can cards, since you'll only be able to give one creature haste.
1 - Never played any of these green cards but Bramble Sovereign has the potential to do funnier things than the other two. First Iroan Games seems the least questionable card from the three though.
2 - Despite higher mana and color cost, Quarantine Field scales and targets more thing. Scry on Prison realm is not worth the loss of targets.
3 - Played with this Liliana for a while and even though it is not bad, it always felt I never got what I wanted for the mana I invested on it. But Ob-Nixilis is just an over costed Chupacabra so Liliana seems the default pick.
Currently running Academy Ruins, but I've yet to see it in action. My head says Probe because it is generally more desirable, but artifact synergies...
I like History more if you have more permanent/enchantment-based interaction, and Procession more if you have more of a spells-matters theme. Procession is also better in a dedicated token/anthem deck and in mono-white, depending on what you support.
Generally, I like History of Benalia more. Outside of heavy white decks Spectral Procession often costs 2WW which isn't a great rate for three flying 1/1's. History is easier to cast on curve, threatens more damage (albeit non-evasive), and has a little bit more to offer in terms of cube synergies since most cubes have Student of Warfare, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar or Hero of Bladehold at least and I don't usually see a lot of spirit payoffs in cube.
Spectral Procession, unless you are supporting Knights, Enchantments-matter, or other relevant archetypes.
I play Spectral Procession in my Modern & Powered Cubes and History of Benalia in my Standard Cube. History is a great card in that cube because I have a Knights-theme, and the meta is slower. Remember, you need 3 turns to eek out all that value. Spectral Procession is generically more powerful and more desirable by more decks.
I have a 540 Powered Cube (that supports persist combo) and am looking to find room for Tangeled Floralhedron. It seems to make sense that I cut a different green two drop ramp creature. Rate/Order the following:
I have a 540 Powered Cube (that supports persist combo) and am looking to find room for Tangeled Floralhedron. It seems to make sense that I cut a different green two drop ramp creature. Rate/Order the following:
I'm watching Tangled Floralhedron, as well. I'm not sure where exactly it fits into the ranking, but I do think Sakura-tribe Elder is the best one on the list, I wouldn't cut that one.
Thanks for the responses (also I incorrectly listed Sylvan Advocate and not Sylvan Caryatid - my bad, I fixed it now). Can anyone elaborate on what makes STE valued so highly? The ability to ramp mana AND block on Wall of Roots has been invaluable for us, and the persist combo enablers can turn the Druid into an infinite mana machine under the right circumstances... I guess we are undervaluing STE because we aren't seeing the scenarios where he really shines. The ability to chump and sac once is certainly fun, and the ramp being a harder-to-remove land and not just a creature that taps for mana is also nice too, especially where things like Mirari's Wake and Nissa, Who Shakes the World are concerned. Is it just that, or are we missing something else too?
It's a Rampant Growth that can also chump-block and carry a Sword. It fixes mana, shuffles/thins your deck, increases your land count, feeds the 'yard, and has a hunch of other small advantages over a mana dork that sits on the table (not the least of which being increased resiliency).
I guess we are just undervaluing all the small advantages and how they add up to being worth more than a flashier edge-case scenario. I will revisit my plan to cut the card for now and will look to cut something else, possibly Devoted Druid instead.
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Field > Tribunal (I guess? I'm not really a fan of either)
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Underground River, Temple of Deceit or Bad River.
I'm leaning towards removing the temple, but could be persuaded by any. Thoughts?
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As I was thinking about this, I was actually coming to the conclusion that maybe it's underground river that should go - I don't run eldrazi displacer so there's little incentive for the colourless mana.
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I think painlands are quite useful even if you're not including eldrazi; the opportunity to immediately tap for two different colors of mana is appreciated by just about any deck. If I were not running triomes, I would probably sooner cut the Bad River than Underground River.
The Triomes aren't staples, but they're good cards.
Underground River is the best of those 3 lands even if you don't need C.
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Champion > Oracle > Mage
Tribunal is better in aggro, Quarantine is better in control, in midrange they are about equal.
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2 - Quarantine Field vs Prison Realm ?
3 - Ob Nixilis Reignited vs Liliana, Dreadhorde General ?
Realm > Field
Liliana > Ob
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Agreed with rantipole on the others as well.
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I like Field more than Realm, and Liliana more than Ob Nix.
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2 - Despite higher mana and color cost, Quarantine Field scales and targets more thing. Scry on Prison realm is not worth the loss of targets.
3 - Played with this Liliana for a while and even though it is not bad, it always felt I never got what I wanted for the mana I invested on it. But Ob-Nixilis is just an over costed Chupacabra so Liliana seems the default pick.
Gitaxian Probe vs. Academy Ruins
Currently running Academy Ruins, but I've yet to see it in action. My head says Probe because it is generally more desirable, but artifact synergies...
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Games > Surrak > Sovereign
Liliana > Ob
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for 540 powered cube, hero of benalia or spectral procession?
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I play Spectral Procession in my Modern & Powered Cubes and History of Benalia in my Standard Cube. History is a great card in that cube because I have a Knights-theme, and the meta is slower. Remember, you need 3 turns to eek out all that value. Spectral Procession is generically more powerful and more desirable by more decks.
Wall of Roots
Devoted Druid
Tangeled Floralhedron
Sylvan Caryatid
Sakura-Tribe Elder
My current plan is the run the first three on that list, plus Lotus Cobra and Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary. Does that sound right?
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STE > WoR > TF > DD > Caryatid
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I'm watching Tangled Floralhedron, as well. I'm not sure where exactly it fits into the ranking, but I do think Sakura-tribe Elder is the best one on the list, I wouldn't cut that one.
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I guess we are just undervaluing all the small advantages and how they add up to being worth more than a flashier edge-case scenario. I will revisit my plan to cut the card for now and will look to cut something else, possibly Devoted Druid instead.
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