Quote from JSextonSo just FYI, there is a bug in the new MTGO cube that results in packs like this: http://i.imgur.com/JikVq.jpg
Quote from eidolon232
I am also more interested in the P2P1 value of a card than the firstpick value of a card, since that favors more narrow cards.
I would exclude silver bordered cards from the ranking, since a significant number of players is not going to vote for them anyway, while the people who do are partially "wasting" their votes.
Quote from wtwlf123We could have a more low-key ranking this year and do a top 20 "favorite" cube cards rather than a power-level ranking one. It would tone the whole discussion down, eliminate people feeling intimidated by submitting "out of the box" lists and we may find that some of our favorite cube cards might not be the most powerful ones. Just an idea. It would also allow us to include some cards that are super powerful in specific decks that may not be P1P1 choices but could still ultimately be among the best cards in the cube.
Quote from Hicham »Also what is wrong with a good discussion?
Quote from HichamHow would you describe 'favorite' anyway? A card you always pick over a card with the same power level?
Quote from PhantizleMan, owning a cube is like raising livestock. Don't fall in love, or your heart will get broken.
Quote from BlimpyTop 10 might be better to separate it from the best-of list and also to encourage more selective choices.
Quote from mook1e
Banning Sol Ring seems like heresy to me. I love opening a pack with Sol Ring. By the numbers tho, a lot people dropped sol ring. Not a couple people, but a lot!
Quote from eidolon232So far all the sub-360 lists that I have seen have been miserable
Quote from Salmo »It's just about reasonable expectations.
Quote from eidolon232So far all the sub-360 lists that I have seen have been miserable, since they try to squeeze in too many high power cards without mana curve and balancing in mind.
If you are willing to make some pretty hard cuts, there are certainly ways to build a list that is smaller than 360, but assuming that you have not designed a cube before, 360 cards is the optimal size for you.
I would stay away from dedicated combo, where you can either have the one crazy turn / lock your opponent out of the game but also have the chance of doing nothing relevant the whole game if your opponent gets rid of 1 card / you don't find one of your pieces and rather have fewer but better supported strategies. This can even go as far as not supporting the trinity of aggro-midrange-control in every color.
The most common cards in the unpowered 360 cards cubes are Student of Warfare (21x) Mother of Runes (20x) Isamaru, Hound of Konda (20x) Elite Vanguard (19x) Steppe Lynx (18x) Savannah Lions (16x) Stoneforge Mystic (21x) Accorder Paladin (19x) Thalia, Guardian of Thraben (19x) Wall of Omens (18x) Porcelain Legionnaire (17x) Kor Skyfisher (16x) Soltari Priest (15x) Knight of Meadowgrain (13x) Soltari Monk (12x) Soltari Trooper (11x) Cloistered Youth (9x) Blade Splicer (19x) Silverblade Paladin (17x) Mirror Entity (16x) Mirran Crusader (15x) Soltari Champion (14x) Flickerwisp (13x) Restoration Angel (19x) Hero of Bladehold (19x) Kor Sanctifiers (16x) Reveillark (18x) Baneslayer Angel (18x) Cloudgoat Ranger (16x) Sun Titan (19x) Exalted Angel (14x) Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite (10x) Swords to Plowshares (21x) Path to Exile (21x) Enlightened Tutor (17x) Land Tax (13x) Journey to Nowhere (20x) Balance (19x) Disenchant (17x) Oblivion Ring (20x) Spectral Procession (16x) Ajani, Caller of the Pride (11x) Wrath of God (21x) Faith's Fetters (20x) Elspeth, Knight-Errant (19x) Armageddon (19x) Day of Judgment (18x) Ajani Goldmane (17x) Gideon Jura (18x) Catastrophe (13x) Enclave Cryptologist (13x) Snapcaster Mage (21x) Phantasmal Image (17x) Looter il-Kor (17x) Waterfront Bouncer (9x) Phyrexian Metamorph (20x) Man-o'-War (19x) Serendib Efreet (18x) Vendilion Clique (18x) Kira, Great Glass-Spinner (11x) Venser, Shaper Savant (20x) Sower of Temptation (19x) Glen Elendra Archmage (18x) Dungeon Geists (18x) Mulldrifter (21x) Meloku the Clouded Mirror (19x) Consecrated Sphinx (15x) Sphinx of Jwar Isle (14x) Ponder (19x) Brainstorm (19x) Preordain (18x) Mystical Tutor (16x) Force Spike (16x) Ancestral Vision (15x) Counterspell (21x) Remand (19x) Mana Leak (18x) Miscalculation (17x) Daze (14x) Impulse (14x) Into the Roil (14x) Memory Lapse (12x) Arcane Denial (11x) Jace Beleren (18x) Forbid (16x) Tinker (14x) Vedalken Shackles (13x) Crystal Shard (12x) Thirst for Knowledge (10x) Compulsive Research (10x) Fact or Fiction (21x) Control Magic (20x) Deep Analysis (18x) Cryptic Command (17x) Jace, the Mind Sculptor (16x) Gifts Ungiven (10x) Treachery (18x) Force of Will (15x) Tamiyo, the Moon Sage (14x) Bribery (9x) Upheaval (17x) Condescend (15x) Diregraf Ghoul (19x) Carnophage (18x) Vampire Lacerator (18x) Gravecrawler (16x) Bloodghast (21x) Oona's Prowler (19x) Dark Confidant (18x) Vampire Hexmage (16x) Pack Rat (16x) Nezumi Graverobber (14x) Dauthi Horror (12x) Nantuko Shade (10x) Vampire Nighthawk (21x) Hypnotic Specter (19x) Bone Shredder (15x) Skinrender (20x) Braids, Cabal Minion (17x) Nekrataal (15x) Bane of the Living (11x) Graveborn Muse (9x) Shriekmaw (21x) Bloodgift Demon (10x) Grave Titan (21x) Kokusho, the Evening Star (11x) Tombstalker (10x) Dismember (18x) Duress (18x) Reanimate (16x) Thoughtseize (15x) Sarcomancy (15x) Vampiric Tutor (15x) Dark Ritual (15x) Inquisition of Kozilek (12x) Animate Dead (20x) Hymn to Tourach (19x) Demonic Tutor (19x) Bitterblossom (19x) Go for the Throat (17x) Chainer's Edict (14x) Doom Blade (13x) Diabolic Edict (12x) Phyrexian Arena (21x) Recurring Nightmare (19x) Liliana of the Veil (19x) Necromancy (17x) Damnation (20x) Consuming Vapors (17x) Snuff Out (16x) Mind Twist (16x) Profane Command (15x) Goblin Guide (21x) Grim Lavamancer (20x) Jackal Pup (20x) Spikeshot Elder (17x) Stromkirk Noble (15x) Greater Gargadon (12x) Mogg Fanatic (11x) Keldon Marauders (21x) Lightning Mauler (20x) Hellspark Elemental (20x) Plated Geopede (19x) Torch Fiend (18x) Stormblood Berserker (18x) Ash Zealot (13x) Kargan Dragonlord (10x) Chandra's Phoenix (18x) Manic Vandal (17x) Keldon Vandals (11x) Hell's Thunder (9x) Squee, Goblin Nabob (9x) Flametongue Kavu (21x) Avalanche Riders (20x) Hero of Oxid Ridge (17x) Hellrider (14x) Siege-Gang Commander (19x) Zealous Conscripts (16x) Thundermaw Hellkite (9x) Inferno Titan (20x) Lightning Bolt (20x) Burst Lightning (19x) Chain Lightning (17x) Firebolt (16x) Faithless Looting (14x) Reckless Charge (9x) Incinerate (20x) Arc Trail (20x) Magma Jet (18x) Pyroclasm (13x) Searing Spear (10x) Sulfuric Vortex (20x) Char (17x) Pillage (17x) Molten Rain (17x) Staggershock (16x) Wheel of Fortune (15x) Arc Lightning (9x) Koth of the Hammer (19x) Chandra Nalaar (17x) Fireblast (17x) Wildfire (13x) Earthquake (12x) Devil's Play (10x) Birds of Paradise (21x) Llanowar Elves (20x) Joraga Treespeaker (20x) Noble Hierarch (17x) Arbor Elf (11x) Fyndhorn Elves (9x) Sakura-Tribe Elder (21x) Lotus Cobra (19x) Wall of Blossoms (19x) Fauna Shaman (19x) Wild Mongrel (17x) Scavenging Ooze (16x) Strangleroot Geist (15x) Tarmogoyf (14x) Wall of Roots (13x) Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary (11x) River Boa (11x) Eternal Witness (21x) Troll Ascetic (20x) Yavimaya Elder (15x) Viridian Shaman (15x) Uktabi Orangutan (11x) Wolfir Avenger (9x) Thrun, the Last Troll (20x) Vengevine (18x) Wickerbough Elder (17x) Phantom Centaur (11x) Master of the Wild Hunt (9x) Acidic Slime (21x) Deranged Hermit (17x) Genesis (13x) Vorapede (11x) Thragtusk (11x) Primeval Titan (14x) Krosan Tusker (11x) Woodfall Primus (15x) Rancor (20x) Sylvan Library (20x) Regrowth (19x) Survival of the Fittest (18x) Life from the Loam (10x) Cultivate (19x) Call of the Herd (16x) Kodama's Reach (15x) Birthing Pod (9x) Garruk Wildspeaker (19x) Bramblecrush (11x) Garruk Relentless (10x) Plow Under (17x) Garruk, Primal Hunter (16x) Green Sun's Zenith (15x) Geist of Saint Traft (14x) Venser, the Sojourner (12x) Detention Sphere (11x) Supreme Verdict (10x) Shadowmage Infiltrator (17x) Psychatog (16x) Murderous Redcap (20x) Rakdos Cackler (18x) Dreadbore (11x) Terminate (10x) Bloodbraid Elf (20x) Kird Ape (18x) Qasali Pridemage (18x) Kitchen Finks (18x) Dryad Militant (17x) Loam Lion (10x) Vindicate (20x) Lingering Souls (19x) Sorin, Lord of Innistrad (17x) Electrolyze (19x) Fire // Ice (15x) Izzet Charm (14x) Prophetic Bolt (11x) Pernicious Deed (17x) Maelstrom Pulse (17x) Lotleth Troll (12x) Figure of Destiny (21x) Ajani Vengeant (20x) Lightning Helix (14x) Trygon Predator (19x) Mystic Snake (15x) Simic Sky Swallower (15x) Edric, Spymaster of Trest (10x) Wild Nacatl (13x) Phyrexian Revoker (16x) Solemn Simulacrum (20x) Molten-Tail Masticore (16x) Lodestone Golem (14x) Masticore (9x) Wurmcoil Engine (21x) Myr Battlesphere (18x) Sundering Titan (13x) Mox Diamond (14x) Everflowing Chalice (10x) Bonesplitter (20x) Skullclamp (19x) Cursed Scroll (15x) Sensei's Divining Top (14x) Pithing Needle (13x) Black Vise (9x) Umezawa's Jitte (16x) Mind Stone (16x) Winter Orb (15x) Ankh of Mishra (14x) Scroll Rack (11x) Sword of Fire and Ice (20x) Tangle Wire (19x) Sword of Feast and Famine (18x) Coalition Relic (17x) Sword of Light and Shadow (17x) Mimic Vat (17x) Grafted Wargear (17x) Sword of Body and Mind (16x) Sword of War and Peace (15x) Chromatic Lantern (10x) Icy Manipulator (18x) Nevinyrral's Disk (17x) Smokestack (15x) Batterskull (19x) Karn Liberated (14x) Misty Rainforest (20x) Arid Mesa (20x) Verdant Catacombs (20x) Scalding Tarn (20x) Marsh Flats (20x) Windswept Heath (20x) Bloodstained Mire (20x) Flooded Strand (20x) Wooded Foothills (19x) Strip Mine (19x) City of Brass (19x) Breeding Pool (18x) Sacred Foundry (18x) Overgrown Tomb (18x) Steam Vents (18x) Temple Garden (18x) Blood Crypt (18x) Polluted Delta (18x) Hallowed Fountain (18x) Godless Shrine (17x) Stomping Ground (17x) Watery Grave (16x) Mishra's Factory (15x) Celestial Colonnade (15x) Maze of Ith (15x) Wasteland (14x) Tropical Island (14x) Plateau (14x) Bayou (14x) Volcanic Island (14x) Scrubland (14x) Savannah (14x) Taiga (14x) Badlands (14x) Creeping Tar Pit (14x) Underground Sea (14x) Tundra (14x) Treetop Village (14x) Volrath's Stronghold (14x) Rishadan Port (11x) Slayers' Stronghold (10x) Raging Ravine (10x) Shelldock Isle (10x) Ancient Tomb (9x) Mutavault (9x)