I wanted to see if it was a real draft and it actually works, really really well. It generates decklists I don't think they can be exported, maybe you have to save them but I didn't bother going that far. You can host live drafts though with bots or your self. Kinda fun to practice draft in between cube sessions. I would recommend everyone with a cube put it up there.
Ok, I am still working on my cube again, here are some crucial pieces of info when using this site.
When you update it, clear out all the cards listed. That list below is not what is in the cube, it is what you want to ADD to the cube. So if you just add the new cards and do not remove any of the other entries it will think you are wanted to re add all those cards again.
You can export a list, it's just a little convoluted. After the draft ends, click on "Generate deck based on seat", and choose your seat. Then scroll way down on the right, below the deck statistics and such, and use the "Export" drop down menu.
AI is a bit off, I'm not real sure on how the engine determines this
Usman introduced me to this site and it's now my favorite time waster. I tried uploading my own cube to it a couple weeks ago, but the site crapped out on me. I'll try it again tomorrow.
I'm glad I can finally draft someone else's cube from MTGS besides Usman!
Usman introduced me to this site and it's now my favorite time waster. I tried uploading my own cube to it a couple weeks ago, but the site crapped out on me. I'll try it again tomorrow.
I'm glad I can finally draft someone else's cube from MTGS besides Usman!
Damn you for holding out on me!
Now my LGS can stop with that odd looks that its MY cube we're drafting from as if that gives me some sort of advantage lol.
I can't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday let alone remember every single card in my packs like I was counting black jack, ahaha
I love that site exists for my boredom cure, but there are a couple things I don't care for.
1.) 14 card packs. I'm not sure why, but you only get 42 total cards to pick from. Each pack is only 14.
2.) No real deck builder at the end of the draft. You can generate a deck from your picks, which is cool, but it includes a lot of your dead picks and hate drafts, and it doesn't give you basics.
Side note: If I'm doing something wrong, please tell me because I'd love to be able to build my own deck at the end using this site and save it for others' viewing pleasure. I just drafted a pretty sweet UB aggro midrange deck with Killem's cube. Contract From Below FTW!
Oh dang I didn't pay attention to that I thought thats list was just all the cards you drafted. that is kinda dumb. Oh well, they got so close too I see why its 14 they are assuming basic lands. I'm sure it can be changed. Send some emails to the creators it looks like!
Tried drafting your cube, it went ok but the comps are just terrible, their decks wouldnt do anything. Cards like sol ring were passed P1P1, for paladin-en-vec. Which is a decent card but sol ring goes anywhere. I ended up getting a 5th pick or so Survival and then got cut off from green. So I dont like the ocmps here, but it would be interesting to do a realtime draft and play them on MWS.
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You always hear about the games armageddon wins 100% of the time. You never hear about the game that it rots in your hand and you get beatdown.
The AI is a little off there (I once got a Library of Alexandria like sixth pick or something), but it's still a fun boredom cure and you can still build a decent deck.
The AI may be bad, but it could be worse. I mean, I looked through the picks of my last draft and it seems that the AI knows enough to stick with specific colors and color combos. The RW deck was taking RW cards, so that says at least something for the AI. At least they aren't all drafting 5 Color Garbage.dec.
I think at the very least it can be a learning tool and a helpful practice for cubers who don't get to draft that often. It's good for card evaluation skills (despite the bad evaluation skills of the AI) and it'd good for deck building. Not to mention knowing when to take the land over the bomb spell or take the on color spell that's slightly worse than the off color spell.
I've only used TappedOut a few times for test-drafting (though my Cube is on there), but I have a theory. I think that the Bots pick cards based on how likely they would pick those cards if they were drafting the actual sets the cards were originally from.
Since most people who draft on TappedOut probably draft Scars Of Mirrodin and other modern sets, the bots' ability to effectively "rank" cards from Beta (or even, say, the original Mirrodin) is hampered.
I think that the Bots pick cards based on how likely they would pick those cards if they were drafting the actual sets the cards were originally from.
Nope. At least, I hope not.
Library, Jitte, all 3 Swords, all 3 Masticores, Ancestral Recall, ABU Moxen, Black Lotus... I've seen all of these go pick 7+ in the 10 or so mock drafts I've done so far.
Well, I should clarify what I meant. Since I assume the Bots' picking tendencies for set X are based on the people who draft set X, if barely anyone has ever drafted Beta or whatever, the Bots will suck at drafting it.
Well, I should clarify what I meant. Since I assume the Bots' picking tendencies for set X are based on the people who draft set X, if barely anyone has ever drafted Beta or whatever, the Bots will suck at drafting it.
Just wanted to let you know I lurk your opinions =). Its true, the AI sucks. For cubes I imagine its EVEN WORSE. For those of you who are regulars, you know I'm constantly making improvements so I wouldn't be suprised if they got better soon.
My notion for this kind of thing, however, is that AI is *always* going to be inferior to humans.... which is why I let you draft with other players! Twitter! Organize! Enjoy a draft with other sentient life-forms!
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I haven't even been able to upload my cube. Every time I try I get the Ornithopters message. Which, I'll admit, is a bit humorous, but after seeing it 10 times when trying to upload my cube (all separate occasions on separate days), I'm about ready to just give up.
@calibretto: I just found and attempted to draft what I assume is your cube, and my deck was going pretty good. I got 2 flametongue kavus! and 2 braids!
@calibretto: I just found and attempted to draft what I assume is your cube, and my deck was going pretty good. I got 2 flametongue kavus! and 2 braids!
That's strange. I don't understand how that even happened. Everytime I've uploaded it, it gave me an error. And if I look at it, it appears to be colorless as if there's no cards in it.
edit: Actually, I just deleted the entire contents of my cube and then started adding it all back one section at a time. It worked up until I got all the colors in and started adding artifacts. Which puts me over the 360 mark. I wonder if that means the site can't go over 360 cards. That's probably reaching a bit, but it made sense in my head.
edit2: So I just went back to the site and tried again, but now my cube had 3 copies of almost everything in it. And it won't let me delete it and start from scratch. I keep getting that Ornithopter message.
@yeago: Please make the uploader more cube friendly. I'd recommend a more obvious way to upload the cube instead of just a giant text box that says "board". It took me a bit to figure out that I was supposed to paste or type my list in that box. Also, I don't understand why or how I ended up with three copies of everything. The site is a really great idea, but so far I'm very disappointed by all the errors when trying to upload my own cube.
When you input your cube, from scratch it has zero, so to add you put 1x Name. Ok cool.
When you go back and update it you have to make sure to delete EVERYTHING and then put 1x New card name.
If you don't it will think you are wanting to re add 1x of all the cards in that list.
Also when you get the ornithopter message, just wait, don't reload don't do anything. Because it actually is working on it, it just takes a while. I once reloaded right after and half my cube had updated and half didn't.
Hope that helps. It has a long way to go, but I really wish it would let you draft 15 cards, and then export the list of drafted cards to a list so you can play outside of the site.
I've always found the site to look nice, but have a clunky interface for adding/editing cards and decks (and cubes).
deckstats.net seems to have a much more reliable input/output method, because it's just a simple text list without the scripting that tappedout.net uses everywhere on the site.
I wrote about using tappedout.net to cube draft on SCG this week, so maybe I can offer a little help.
@killem - You can export a list, it's just a little convoluted. After the draft ends, click on "Generate deck based on seat", and choose your seat. Then scroll way down on the right, below the deck statistics and such, and use the "Export" drop down menu.
I've run into the 3x of some cards problem too. It's true that you can wait and hope that it will work if you don't prematurely refresh, but it's infinitely easier to just upload a completely new list. The editing process is much more flawed than the creation process.
I wrote about using tappedout.net to cube draft on SCG this week, so maybe I can offer a little help.
@killem - You can export a list, it's just a little convoluted. After the draft ends, click on "Generate deck based on seat", and choose your seat. Then scroll way down on the right, below the deck statistics and such, and use the "Export" drop down menu.
I've run into the 3x of some cards problem too. It's true that you can wait and hope that it will work if you don't prematurely refresh, but it's infinitely easier to just upload a completely new list. The editing process is much more flawed than the creation process.
@yeago: It would be great to have 15 card packs!
Thanks I'll add that to the op!
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Ok, I am still working on my cube again, here are some crucial pieces of info when using this site.
I'm glad I can finally draft someone else's cube from MTGS besides Usman!
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Damn you for holding out on me!
Now my LGS can stop with that odd looks that its MY cube we're drafting from as if that gives me some sort of advantage lol.
I can't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday let alone remember every single card in my packs like I was counting black jack, ahaha
1.) 14 card packs. I'm not sure why, but you only get 42 total cards to pick from. Each pack is only 14.
2.) No real deck builder at the end of the draft. You can generate a deck from your picks, which is cool, but it includes a lot of your dead picks and hate drafts, and it doesn't give you basics.
Side note: If I'm doing something wrong, please tell me because I'd love to be able to build my own deck at the end using this site and save it for others' viewing pleasure. I just drafted a pretty sweet UB aggro midrange deck with Killem's cube. Contract From Below FTW!
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I think at the very least it can be a learning tool and a helpful practice for cubers who don't get to draft that often. It's good for card evaluation skills (despite the bad evaluation skills of the AI) and it'd good for deck building. Not to mention knowing when to take the land over the bomb spell or take the on color spell that's slightly worse than the off color spell.
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Perhaps now.
(Although that would mean a fourth list to have to change every time I do updates. /cringe)
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Since most people who draft on TappedOut probably draft Scars Of Mirrodin and other modern sets, the bots' ability to effectively "rank" cards from Beta (or even, say, the original Mirrodin) is hampered.
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Nope. At least, I hope not.
Library, Jitte, all 3 Swords, all 3 Masticores, Ancestral Recall, ABU Moxen, Black Lotus... I've seen all of these go pick 7+ in the 10 or so mock drafts I've done so far.
Laughably poor AI.
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I just picked up a pick 7 Molten-Tail Masticore.
I don't think this is the case either.
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It doesn't seem to be.
But just in case, I've been practicing proper picks.
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Just wanted to let you know I lurk your opinions =). Its true, the AI sucks. For cubes I imagine its EVEN WORSE. For those of you who are regulars, you know I'm constantly making improvements so I wouldn't be suprised if they got better soon.
My notion for this kind of thing, however, is that AI is *always* going to be inferior to humans.... which is why I let you draft with other players! Twitter! Organize! Enjoy a draft with other sentient life-forms!
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That's strange. I don't understand how that even happened. Everytime I've uploaded it, it gave me an error. And if I look at it, it appears to be colorless as if there's no cards in it.
edit: Actually, I just deleted the entire contents of my cube and then started adding it all back one section at a time. It worked up until I got all the colors in and started adding artifacts. Which puts me over the 360 mark. I wonder if that means the site can't go over 360 cards. That's probably reaching a bit, but it made sense in my head.
edit2: So I just went back to the site and tried again, but now my cube had 3 copies of almost everything in it. And it won't let me delete it and start from scratch. I keep getting that Ornithopter message.
@yeago: Please make the uploader more cube friendly. I'd recommend a more obvious way to upload the cube instead of just a giant text box that says "board". It took me a bit to figure out that I was supposed to paste or type my list in that box. Also, I don't understand why or how I ended up with three copies of everything. The site is a really great idea, but so far I'm very disappointed by all the errors when trying to upload my own cube.
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When you input your cube, from scratch it has zero, so to add you put 1x Name. Ok cool.
When you go back and update it you have to make sure to delete EVERYTHING and then put 1x New card name.
If you don't it will think you are wanting to re add 1x of all the cards in that list.
Also when you get the ornithopter message, just wait, don't reload don't do anything. Because it actually is working on it, it just takes a while. I once reloaded right after and half my cube had updated and half didn't.
Hope that helps. It has a long way to go, but I really wish it would let you draft 15 cards, and then export the list of drafted cards to a list so you can play outside of the site.
deckstats.net seems to have a much more reliable input/output method, because it's just a simple text list without the scripting that tappedout.net uses everywhere on the site.
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@killem - You can export a list, it's just a little convoluted. After the draft ends, click on "Generate deck based on seat", and choose your seat. Then scroll way down on the right, below the deck statistics and such, and use the "Export" drop down menu.
I've run into the 3x of some cards problem too. It's true that you can wait and hope that it will work if you don't prematurely refresh, but it's infinitely easier to just upload a completely new list. The editing process is much more flawed than the creation process.
@yeago: It would be great to have 15 card packs!
Thanks I'll add that to the op!