Well I had this idea for a nice thread to help people out. Instead of having 14 threads on RG decks, why not just come into this here deck clinic and let us pimp it out for you. And if the art players can make shops, why not deck builders?
Here are the simple rules:
1. Post your deck list (please do not skip this part or use a hyperlink directing us to your deck) 2. Explain what you want the deck to do. Example: "I would like my deck to use Ursapine and Horobi, Death's Wail to keep the board clear as I beat face.", what not to do: "I want my deck to win ^^" 3. Let us know around what budget your at. 4. If you want you may request either Von, Xyver, T3h_Pimp or myself to pimpify your your deck, if you don't whichever one of us gets to it first shall make it shine. 5. And please keep comments about decks to PMs. We want to keep the thread as clean as possible. 6. Please only 1 deck in queu at a time 7. Keep tier 1 to teir 2 in the Competative forum
Please, though, it might take some time before we get to your deck.
Our part:
1. We will tune your deck to competative levels, not PTQ level, but probably FNM level. 2. We will provide an all around SB that can be adjusted to your personal metagame. 3. We will try and stick to your budget as close as possible, and if there are cards that you can't afford, but we think will help 100% we will reccomend them. 4. We will explain why we made each choice. Or at least try.
So just post away ^^
Our Queu is now posted on post #304
Thread stickied. This sticky isn't an endorsement as the "official Deck Clinic of the Standard forum" - its a sticky to a popular thread where you can get advice. We appreciate the work that TBS is doing, so it's stickied.
Yeah, this is more of a clinic than a shop, since we aren't actually giving away decks, just improving them. Also, I think if there are some t2 strategists that think they can help out with the shop/clinic/whatever, just show us that you know what you are talking about, and it would probably be ok for you to join.
Looks like you definately know what you are doing, and appear to have made several pretty competetive decks, so as long as it's ok with sXmXs, I' d be happy to have you here!
Why don't you guys make a couple of competivite decks and post them on this thread, and when people see it, they will know you are good and post here? Is saw T3h Pimp's decks already and they are pretty good too.
LOL, I'm not bad at making decks, I am a person that likes to improve unique decks (not your everyday, dragon, jitte or Meloku relying decks) and getting my decks improved :D.
If you would like me to assist, I would love to. If you don't think I'm qualified, I understand. No hard feelings. *sniff*
Hey... I'll help if you want/need it. I hardly build new decks, but my few consisted of Tooth and Nail (pre-PT block of that season), and Heartbeat Harvest Combo pre-States this past year.
1879 constructed rating for reference, incase you need to know if I'm actually good at this game :rolleyes:.
I really enjoy tweaking exsisting decks, and that's why I usually win. I love to metagame, and it works out alot. I pretty much specialize in taking the decks the Pro's (more like the Japanese :D) come out with and making them better, lol.
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Constructed: 1866
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Hit me up on aim to chat about magic or playtest on MWS.
Now that I think about it, we can't really allow so many people in to this, otherwise it would defeat the point of specialized and personal help with a deck. This would just degnerate into the DFC forums in one thread, which isn't the point. I think it would be best to just keep it at us three. Sorry, to those who wanted to join, it's nothing personal, that's just my opinion.
Now that I think about it, we can't really allow so many people in to this, otherwise it would defeat the point of specialized and personal help with a deck. This would just degnerate into the DFC forums in one thread, which isn't the point. I think it would be best to just keep it at us three. Sorry, to those who wanted to join, it's nothing personal, that's just my opinion.
I'm going to second that. I think having more than 3 would start to get kind of confusing. No offense to anyone.
Alright, then...I actually just designed this deck a couple of hours ago. It's a semi-budget (that is, as little dual lands as possible!) deck that harnesses the interaction between Blood Clock and Thundermare. The three games I've played so far have been hideous slaughter (in my favour!), and I've got the combo working perfectly in all three games.
Sideboard in progress...I know it'll include Viridian Shaman. The one thing I'm sure of is that Thundermare and Blood Clock are staying (and hopefully Carven Caryatid...it's so damn useful!).
Alright, then...I actually just designed this deck a couple of hours ago. It's a semi-budget (that is, as little dual lands as possible!) deck that harnesses the interaction between Blood Clock and Thundermare. The three games I've played so far have been hideous slaughter (in my favour!), and I've got the combo working perfectly in all three games.
Sideboard in progress...I know it'll include Viridian Shaman. The one thing I'm sure of is that Thundermare and Blood Clock are staying (and hopefully Carven Caryatid...it's so damn useful!).
Yay! A deck!
Well, first things first. If something gets through the counters, you have no way of dealing with it. Which is why removal is needed. I'd say the best would be some combination of savage twister, electrolyze, and char. This obviously means a more heavy investment in red. I'd also like to round off some of your more important cards, and hopefully fix up your mana.
This is how I'd set up the main deck. I cut the counters in favor of the removal and boomerang, which has nice synergy with the clock and helps you stall out. I also lowered the overall card count to make room for more lands, as 22 really isnt enough. Now let's analyze your mana:
Hey i'm pretty sure i saw this deck in the pimps thread, and i took it to heart and made some modifications to my liking. It is incredibly consistent and has multiple win conditions in case the zombie shinannigans fizzle.
Please help me fine tune this down to perfection, its a very fun deck to play and pretty freaking competetive which i find to be a great thing.
Alright, then...I actually just designed this deck a couple of hours ago. It's a semi-budget (that is, as little dual lands as possible!) deck that harnesses the interaction between Blood Clock and Thundermare. The three games I've played so far have been hideous slaughter (in my favour!), and I've got the combo working perfectly in all three games.
Sideboard in progress...I know it'll include Viridian Shaman. The one thing I'm sure of is that Thundermare and Blood Clock are staying (and hopefully Carven Caryatid...it's so damn useful!).
I would first like to point out that I like the idea of your deck. I'm glad to hear that you won your intitial games. Now this is how I would change it:
Here are some cards I would add: Haru-Ona: This card could add some amazing card advantage to your deck. If you don't have Thundermare, this could definatly help you get it. Izzet Chronarch: If you can get a load of mana, you could get a Exhaustion/Izzet Chronarch semi-lock. Can also pick up Mana Leak or Savage Twister. Stampeding Serow: It doesn't return all cards, but I think this would be a good alternative to you not drawing Blood Clock. Savage Twister: Helps a whole lot against aggro. I think you need them against Zoo and BW.
Tin-Street Hooligan. I prefer this to Viridian Shaman because it is smaller and if you don't spend green mana on it, you can play it without destroying Blood Clock.
Naturalize. A lot of different uses in which this is a very good card.
Electorlyze. Works great against aggro, kills cards like Dryad Sophisticate, Frenzied Goblin, Dark Confidant and the Rusalkas.
Hey i'm pretty sure i saw this deck in the pimps thread, and i took it to heart and made some modifications to my liking. It is incredibly consistent and has multiple win conditions in case the zombie shinannigans fizzle.
Please help me fine tune this down to perfection, its a very fun deck to play and pretty freaking competetive which i find to be a great thing.
Ok, i think the BoP's and the Elves can be cut in favor of some more permanent acceleration/stall, since you arent racing for any turn two 3 drop or anything.
-1 elves of deep shadow
-2 llanowar elves
-4 birds of paradise
+4 wood elves
+3 carven caryatid
I would also add more multiples of your win conditions, probably up to 3 zombies and 2 melokus.
Induce paranoia might mill, but it still is a four mana counter. Those will be cut for the aforementioned increases in meloku and the zombies. I think quicken would be a great addition to your arsenal, for instant speed glimpse or traumatize. Putrefy should be a 4-of, and the signets seem somewhat useless. Telling time can be upped, since it replaces itself.
-2 induce paranoia
-2 golgari signet
-3 dimir signet
-1 muddle the mixture
-1 brainspoil
+1 putrefy
+3 quicken
+4 mana leak
+1 telling time
Well I had this idea for a nice thread to help people out. Instead of having 14 threads on RG decks, why not just come into this here deck clinic and let us pimp it out for you. And if the art players can make shops, why not deck builders?
Here are the simple rules:
1. Post your deck list (please do not skip this part or use a hyperlink directing us to your deck)
2. Explain what you want the deck to do. Example: "I would like my deck to use Ursapine and Horobi, Death's Wail to keep the board clear as I beat face.", what not to do: "I want my deck to win ^^"
3. Let us know around what budget your at.
4. If you want you may request either Von, Xyver, T3h_Pimp or myself to pimpify your your deck, if you don't whichever one of us gets to it first shall make it shine.
5. And please keep comments about decks to PMs. We want to keep the thread as clean as possible.
6. Please only 1 deck in queu at a time
7. Keep tier 1 to teir 2 in the Competative forum
Please, though, it might take some time before we get to your deck.
Our part:
1. We will tune your deck to competative levels, not PTQ level, but probably FNM level.
2. We will provide an all around SB that can be adjusted to your personal metagame.
3. We will try and stick to your budget as close as possible, and if there are cards that you can't afford, but we think will help 100% we will reccomend them.
4. We will explain why we made each choice. Or at least try.
So just post away ^^
Our Queu is now posted on post #304
Thread stickied. This sticky isn't an endorsement as the "official Deck Clinic of the Standard forum" - its a sticky to a popular thread where you can get advice. We appreciate the work that TBS is doing, so it's stickied.
I've made the following decks:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=36321
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=34461
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=19582
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=33615
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=33569
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=31643
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=32810
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=30223
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=27037
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=738037 (The original owl)
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=22837
And I like helping others with decks, so I will be glad to help you guys if you need it.
Welcome to the team ^^
We should come up with a name for our clinic.
My AIM is USFfan2 if you need to contact me.
As for a name...I like Triad deck clinic...but some other possiblities:
TBS Deck Clinic (T3h_Pimp, Bweebwee, shesXmyXsuicide)
"Pimp my Deck" Clinic
"Fix your deck" Clinic
Not very good.
Were be all the customers?! lol
PS: If we get someone whose name begins with "E", our shop can be the BEST!
Good Luck with shop!
Serious decks:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=36229
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=36641
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35217
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35307
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35010
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=34318
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=33678
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=33397
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=33056
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=31321
Fun decks:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35480
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35381
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=34804
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=34189
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=32685
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=31518
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=33845
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=33592
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=33677
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=34658
PHEW! Thats a lot...and it's not even all of them...
If you would like me to assist, I would love to. If you don't think I'm qualified, I understand. No hard feelings. *sniff*
Thanks
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=510597
Playing:
Legacy BW Stoneblade
Modern BGW Rock
@tool: Can we see some of your decks?
Here are the deck threads Tool started:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=36350
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35897
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35971
You guys can decide if Tool will assist us, I'm not going to vote.
1879 constructed rating for reference, incase you need to know if I'm actually good at this game :rolleyes:.
I really enjoy tweaking exsisting decks, and that's why I usually win. I love to metagame, and it works out alot. I pretty much specialize in taking the decks the Pro's (more like the Japanese :D) come out with and making them better, lol.
Constructed: 1866
AIM: etakspeelstae
Hit me up on aim to chat about magic or playtest on MWS.
I'm going to second that. I think having more than 3 would start to get kind of confusing. No offense to anyone.
Best to worst:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35255
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35285
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35897
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35971
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=35489
Here are a few, enjoy.
What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
11 Forest
9 Island
1 Mountain
1 Stomping Ground
Creatures: 18
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
4 Carven Caryatid
4 Wood Elves
4 Thundermare
2 Clone
4 Mana Leak
4 Hinder
4 Blood Clock
3 Rewind
3 Exhaustion
2 Gigadrowse
Sideboard in progress...I know it'll include Viridian Shaman. The one thing I'm sure of is that Thundermare and Blood Clock are staying (and hopefully Carven Caryatid...it's so damn useful!).
U Twinsanity
WUBRG Reaper King
UBG Dredge
UR Howling Owl
GBU Thief of Time
Yay! A deck!
Well, first things first. If something gets through the counters, you have no way of dealing with it. Which is why removal is needed. I'd say the best would be some combination of savage twister, electrolyze, and char. This obviously means a more heavy investment in red. I'd also like to round off some of your more important cards, and hopefully fix up your mana.
4 Carven Caryatid
4 Wood Elves
4 Thundermare
4 Boomerang
4 Blood Clock
4 Exhaustion
4 Savage Twister
4 Electrolyze
4 Char
This is how I'd set up the main deck. I cut the counters in favor of the removal and boomerang, which has nice synergy with the clock and helps you stall out. I also lowered the overall card count to make room for more lands, as 22 really isnt enough. Now let's analyze your mana:
Red:16
Green:16
Blue:12
So for 24 lands, we are looking at around
8 Mountain
7 Island
1 Stomping Ground
Making my take on the whole deck:
8 Forest
8 Mountain
7 Island
1 Stomping Ground
4 Carven Caryatid
4 Wood Elves
4 Thundermare
Other Spells: 24
4 Boomerang
4 Blood Clock
4 Exhaustion
4 Savage Twister
4 Electrolyze
4 Char
Voila!
EDIT: For the sideboard:
4 Blood moon
4 Naturalize
Please help me fine tune this down to perfection, its a very fun deck to play and pretty freaking competetive which i find to be a great thing.
1x Llanowar wastes
4x Watery Grave
1x Miren, the moaning well
5x Island
3x Swamp
2x Forest
2x Underground River
4x Overgrown Tomb
2x Vulturous zombie
4x Birds of Paradise
2x Llanowar Elves
1x Meloku the Clouded Mirror
1x Elves of Deep Shadow
Spells
3x Brainspoil
2x Induce Paranioa
4x Muddle the Mixture
1x Umezawa's Jitte
4x Remand
3x Dimir Signet
3x Telling Time
1x Traumatize
2x Glimpse the Unthinkable
2x Golgari Signet
3x Putrefy
Sideboard
1x Putrefy
2x Slay
3x Quash
1x Life from the Loam
4x Naturalize
2x Nightmare Void
2x Cerulean Sphinx
Edit: Do you guys actually playtest the decks or just eyeball it and tell us what you think would be better?
I would first like to point out that I like the idea of your deck. I'm glad to hear that you won your intitial games. Now this is how I would change it:
Here are some cards I would add:
Haru-Ona: This card could add some amazing card advantage to your deck. If you don't have Thundermare, this could definatly help you get it.
Izzet Chronarch: If you can get a load of mana, you could get a Exhaustion/Izzet Chronarch semi-lock. Can also pick up Mana Leak or Savage Twister.
Stampeding Serow: It doesn't return all cards, but I think this would be a good alternative to you not drawing Blood Clock.
Savage Twister: Helps a whole lot against aggro. I think you need them against Zoo and BW.
So this is how the new deck would look for me:
7x Island
7x Mountain
1x Stomping Ground
4x Carven Caryatid
3x Wood Elves
4x Sakura-Tribe Elder
4x Thundermare
3x Haru-Ona
3x Stampeding Serow
2x Izzet Chronarch
4x Blood Clock
3x Exhaustion
3x Savage Twister
As for your sideboard.
Tin-Street Hooligan. I prefer this to Viridian Shaman because it is smaller and if you don't spend green mana on it, you can play it without destroying Blood Clock.
Naturalize. A lot of different uses in which this is a very good card.
Electorlyze. Works great against aggro, kills cards like Dryad Sophisticate, Frenzied Goblin, Dark Confidant and the Rusalkas.
Remand. A great card to slow down tempo.
4x Electrolyze
4x Remand
3x Tin-Street Hooligan
Your deck just got pimped TBS style!
Hope that helps.
It would be nice if you spread the word about this thread in your sig! You don't have to but it would be very nice of you.
Edit: Step Pronto I'll get to your deck tommorow.
By the way, you don't need to put card tags within deck tags, it's redundant. Onto the deck....
Creatures:
2x Vulturous zombie
4x Birds of Paradise
2x Llanowar Elves
1x Meloku the Clouded Mirror
1x Elves of Deep Shadow
Ok, i think the BoP's and the Elves can be cut in favor of some more permanent acceleration/stall, since you arent racing for any turn two 3 drop or anything.
-1 elves of deep shadow
-2 llanowar elves
-4 birds of paradise
+4 wood elves
+3 carven caryatid
I would also add more multiples of your win conditions, probably up to 3 zombies and 2 melokus.
Spells:
3x Brainspoil
2x Induce Paranioa
4x Muddle the Mixture
1x Umezawa's Jitte
4x Remand
3x Dimir Signet
3x Telling Time
1x Traumatize
2x Glimpse the Unthinkable
2x Golgari Signet
3x Putrefy
Induce paranoia might mill, but it still is a four mana counter. Those will be cut for the aforementioned increases in meloku and the zombies. I think quicken would be a great addition to your arsenal, for instant speed glimpse or traumatize. Putrefy should be a 4-of, and the signets seem somewhat useless. Telling time can be upped, since it replaces itself.
-2 induce paranoia
-2 golgari signet
-3 dimir signet
-1 muddle the mixture
-1 brainspoil
+1 putrefy
+3 quicken
+4 mana leak
+1 telling time
Making your core:
2 Meloku the Clouded Mirror
3 Carven Caryatid
4 Wood elves
3 Muddle the Mixture
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Remand
4 Telling Time
1 Traumatize
2 Glimpse the Unthinkable
4 Putrefy
3 Quicken
4 Mana Leak
Now for the mana
Green:17
Black: 13
Blue: 25
With 24 lands:
4 Overgrown Tomb
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
2 Llanowar Wastes
2 Underground River
2 Yavimaya Coast
4 Island
3 Forest
2 Swamp
So your final deck looks like
2 Meloku the Clouded Mirror
3 Carven Caryatid
4 Wood elves
2 Brainspoil
3 Muddle the Mixture
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Remand
4 Telling Time
1 Traumatize
2 Glimpse the Unthinkable
4 Putrefy
3 Quicken
4 Mana Leak
4 Overgrown Tomb
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
2 Llanowar Wastes
2 Underground River
2 Yavimaya Coast
4 Island
3 Forest
2 Swamp
Sideboard:
4 Naturalize
2 Slay
2 Seize the Soul
2 Hideous Laughter
3 Nightmare Void