Mugging you say? I'm a fan of that idea. Makes it useful to play on dudes Pillar of Flame would otherwise be wasted on. Good call there. I wish I'd thought of it too.
I wish I could take credit for the tech but I read about it in another thread. Without this place I don't think it would have crossed my mind to be honest.
What creature type do you usually declare when you drop Cavern of Souls? I almost always paste "vampires" to mine, "humans" if I draw the second one, to make sure I can stick Falkenrath Aristocrat. But I'm curious to know how other people run it too.
It really depends, I try to play some mind games when I can. So I might just say "Dragon" without actually having the Hellkite just to make people start panicking and make a miss play. Otherwise, if in the ideal position of having it against a control match up I'll just try and put it down when I can get the most value out of it, like when I draw a Hellrider or Thundermaw Hellkite and hope they don't blow me out next turn.
As far as I've been able to test, I can usually swing for game with a turn 5 Zealous Conscripts + whatever she steals. That said, I'm usually preceeding that with a turn 4 Aristocrat. Turn 4/Turn 5 is a hypothetical best case scenario, obviously. And if I can't win off the Conscripts I basically just have a regular old 3/3 body that I always end up feeling like I overpaid for. Hellkite, at least, is a 5/5 with evasion all the time.
Hmm It is a tough choice, I think I might just run it as is and kinda figure it out as I go. The main reason why I have Conscripts over Hellkite is because there are a few Midrange decks where I'm playing and taking their Thragtusk or Olivia Voldaren and killing them is sweet.
I wish I could take credit for the tech but I read about it in another thread. Without this place I don't think it would have crossed my mind to be honest.
There's a lot that wouldn't have crossed my mind without this place.
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Hmm It is a tough choice, I think I might just run it as is and kinda figure it out as I go. The main reason why I have Conscripts over Hellkite is because there are a few Midrange decks where I'm playing and taking their Thragtusk or Olivia Voldaren and killing them is sweet.
I think the choice between Conscripts and Hellkite as the 5-drop really does come down to meta and personal preference. There are certainly enough lists around here to support both as being effective. In a Jund or midrange meta like yours, I'd probably pick the Conscripts as well. In a meta like mine, heavy on Naya and Bant midrange and aggro decks, I play Hellkite. Clears out those damned Lingering Souls on his way through too. But I will say that it's a LOT of fun to drop Conscripts, steal their best creature, swing, then sac the stolen creature to Aristocrat.
I've replaced Falkenrath Aristocrat with Hellrider because, while I do like the Aristocrat, I find that I never consistently feel good about sacing the creatures I have on the board to her. Mid-game, Stromkirk and the Cackler are good fodder to make her indestructible, but by mid-game I want a +1/+1 counter on her too and I value the board presence of my human creatures too much. And if Aristocrat is gone, so is Thatcher Revolt, which is something I think I actually pulled off maybe one time. So... I don't know. I think I might be the least convinced of this change being a good one. I might just be biased in favor of the Aristocrats.
Boros Reckoner at 4-of now, and added Blasphemous Act as a 2-of. Board sweeper plus 13 damage to the opponent's dome. Very nice. Follow it up with a Haste creature and a combat phase and that's probably game. Think I should run more than 2x Blasphemous Acts?
A couple of meta calls are included in the deck as well. Knight of Infamy because Boros is a big deal at my LGS. Mugging and Dreadbore because I almost exclusively face Naya and Bant midrange decks, and a few Jund decks that feature the various Garruks, so it's more economical for me to be able to quickly do away with Planeswalkers and cheaply eliminate blockers than pack a lot of burn.
I took Cavern of Souls out of the MD because nobody runs a lot of countering, and I had a few hiccups with it only giving me colorless. I have my eye on Hellion Crucible, but I haven't tried running it yet. Mostly because it won't solve part of the problem I was having with CoS in the first place. But having a mana sink that pinches off a 4/4 hellion token seems pretty awesome.
I've replaced Falkenrath Aristocrat with Hellrider because, while I do like the Aristocrat, I find that I never consistently feel good about sacing the creatures I have on the board to her. Mid-game, Stromkirk and the Cackler are good fodder to make her indestructible, but by mid-game I want a +1/+1 counter on her too and I value the board presence of my human creatures too much. And if Aristocrat is gone, so is Thatcher Revolt, which is something I think I actually pulled off maybe one time. So... I don't know. I think I might be the least convinced of this change being a good one. I might just be biased in favor of the Aristocrats.
Boros Reckoner at 4-of now, and added Blasphemous Act as a 2-of. Board sweeper plus 13 damage to the opponent's dome. Very nice. Follow it up with a Haste creature and a combat phase and that's probably game. Think I should run more than 2x Blasphemous Acts?
A couple of meta calls are included in the deck as well. Knight of Infamy because Boros is a big deal at my LGS. Mugging and Dreadbore because I almost exclusively face Naya and Bant midrange decks, and a few Jund decks that feature the various Garruks, so it's more economical for me to be able to quickly do away with Planeswalkers and cheaply eliminate blockers than pack a lot of burn.
I took Cavern of Souls out of the MD because nobody runs a lot of countering, and I had a few hiccups with it only giving me colorless. I have my eye on Hellion Crucible, but I haven't tried running it yet. Mostly because it won't solve part of the problem I was having with CoS in the first place. But having a mana sink that pinches off a 4/4 hellion token seems pretty awesome.
As always decks have to be well tuned to the local meta, and while I think making use of Dreadbore is good maybe only two main would be better with an extra in the side. As for Blasphemous Act I recently added it to my deck as a 1 of because as aggro we really don't want to be board sweeping too often and Boros Reckoner + Blasphemous Act is only an alternative win con, not something we are breaking our backs trying to make happen.
Maybe with those tweaks you can put 2 Falkenrath Aristocrat and have the creature sweet spot of 27.
I'm not that big of a fan of mugging over pillar. When I tested with it I really noticed how good pillar is in this format. Being able to permanently deal with geralf's messenger, pyreheart wolf, strangleroot geist and human reanimator pieces are all pretty big points to make for the card. not to mention I don't know how many games I've won off post-combat pillar to the face for the last 1-2 points of damage. Mugging does none of these things, but can get you a single attack through a smiter or something. personally, if I'm worried about big creatures like that, I'd rather just run mortars or something that can just kill the creature.
blasphemous act+reckoner is a real combo. Mostly because both cards are good on their own. It does double-duty in rakdos seeing as how your falkenrath can survive the act (which I agree, falkenrath aristocrat should be in there. It really is better than hellrider in a lot of ways. The main things being it has evasion and can survive verdict). It's hard to run both hellrider and falkenrath though, since you end up packing your 4-drop slot out too much and losing a lot of your speed. In this list falkenrath looks much better than hellrider simply because you're running fewer creatures.
dreadbore kills pretty much every problematic creature red has to worry about. smiter, reckoner, olivia, resto angel, griselbrand, etc. I don't really blame him for running 3. I might even run the full set if I was running black splash.
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I haven't felt good about taking Aristocrat out since I did it, and I haven't even played the deck since then. So I love Hellrider too, but that's all confirmation of stuff I've been thinking as well. Aristocrat can survive a pit fight with a Boros Reckoner anything. Aristocrat can survive a Blasphemous Act that I drop right before combat. Aristocrat can survive Supreme Verdict. Aristocrat flies.
I'm going to test running Hellion Crucible tonight as well.
Crimson Muckwader and Flinthoof Boar strike me as really powerful 2-drops in the format; that influenced my decision to throw this monstrosity together. Thoughts?
I am looking at Sideboard options, and Golgari Charm and Gruul Charm look nice. The Golgari Charm is nice insurance against mass creature destruction (I can cast it in response to Regenerate my army, correct?) while the Gruul Charm offers push against a grounded force for the win. Madcap Skills might also be worth considering in the Sideboard.
I am bumping this for your consideration; I've fixed up a sideboard.
Hello~! Long-time reader, first-time poster. Was finally meaning to try out the deck, and this is the build that I came up with, following some testing and reading of the thread. I was wondering if there were any suggestions that I people had, that I could apply to make this deck better. It used to run Legion Loyalists and Thundermaw Hellkites instead of Rakdos Cacklers and Zealous Conscripts, as well as a pair of Hellion Crucibles in the main instead of two mountains, but the Crucibles made me mulligan quite a few hands that otherwise would have been very good if I had a mountain instead, so the switch seemed necessary~!
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First time making a Boros list, I know the Sb will need some work
I Know I have included a lot of 1 of of the Boros combo cards, I figured they are useful if I can get it off, and if not I haven't wasted to many slots on them.
Going to be taking this Mono-Red Aggro deck at my local FNM this week. Pretty comfortable with the MB but im still tinkering with my SB and looking for some critiquing. Not sure if I should include Skullcrack or Brimstone Volley over something else?
First time making a Boros list, I know the Sb will need some work
I Know I have included a lot of 1 of of the Boros combo cards, I figured they are useful if I can get it off, and if not I haven't wasted to many slots on them.
Thanks for your time
Hi AmbientRaven,
I've had some success with a white-based Boros, but it is tough. My experience has been that few of the cards fit together well and the curve is tough.
White Boros is frustrating because you have 2 high quality 3 drops (Reckoner and Silverblade) that actually don't play together well. With double strike, the Reckoner often will kill before he takes damage, which prevents the 2-for-1s that make the card amazing.
I'm not sure about the Nearheath Pilgrim in the main deck. This is a fairly aggro build and I don't think you need the lifegain against most decks. Most of the time I lost because I was in a horrible boardstate, not because if I held out for another turn or two I would have killed them.
I think Blasphemous Act is a sideboard card at best. It plus Reckoner is a cute trick, but I prefer much more reliability.
Harvest Pyre is a great sideboard card if you're going to be facing a lot of Esper control that will try to drownyard you out, but is certainly not something for the main deck.
Mizzium Mortars is another great card, but I think you want to run more Searing Spears instead. You want to deal a lot of damage early. When something hits the board that is larger than what you can deal with, that's what the Zealous Conscripts and the Reckoners are for. It's great in the sideboard for facing down Loxodon Smiters.
I'm not sure what to do about the War Falcons. For me, they were either incredibly awesome or incredibly pointless. Allowing them to hammer home 4-6 points early is huge, but they can be a lousy late draw and you have a number of non-knights or soldiers that could prevent them attacking even when you have other board presence. It's hard to find a 1-drop that works as well as they do when they work, but it's their great downside that's frustrating.
I know I haven't told you how to completely fix your deck, but best of luck! I'm currently running a red-heavy Boros build that's basically RDW + 3 Thalias at the 2 drop + 3 Boros Charms for reach and vs. control.
Going to be taking this Mono-Red Aggro deck at my local FNM this week. Pretty comfortable with the MB but im still tinkering with my SB and looking for some critiquing. Not sure if I should include Skullcrack or Brimstone Volley over something else?
I like this. Could use some more Hellion Crucible though. Maybe 1 in the board for when you bring in the doggies?
List looks like what I'm going to play next fnm. Except temple gardens and kessig are mountains, ZC is hellkites and rancors are pillars. By increasing savagery/gyre sage you mean gruul domri? If so, I ran that last week and it lacks board presence vs naya blitz, the late game of simic and dies to esper. I got off a t3 hellkite and the opp verdicts, lays down a master biomancer, wolfir comes in and bonds then fungal sprouting makes an appearance before I can get back on my feet. Needless to say he was very happy with himself.
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Thanks for the advice, I have tried to slim the deck down in white, but on all my testing I have been finding that the white is playing better for me.
The Silverblade is primarily a later game drop on either a Ramped Pilgrim or Restoration Angel
I Ended up keeping Blasphemous Act because it's won me a few games. Boros Charm my creatures then trigger. Clears a board, and hits them to the face for 13. Almost always a guaranteed win. I play in a creature heavy meta (BR Vamps, R/B Rakdos agro, another Boros, Orzhov agro flyer extort homebrew, GW Tokens).
I playtested solitaring against a mostly red boros, gruul and RB Agro and found the lifelink helps stabalise against them, whilst a silverblade paired with resto-angel is a great win con, same with hellrider.
I have a lot of cards whom trigger the Pilgrim, and the Falcon. The stonewright I also find useful late game as he is a mana dump, and attached to double strike angel or hellrider it can also win games, situationally.
I would love some feedback on the new list though!
This is the deck I will be piloting for this weeks FNM. I have play tested a bit and this is the best I came up with. Advice, comments, concerns are appreciated.
PS Long time lurker and this community is awesome!!
Captain goldfished well for me, it's decent on its own and is best friends with noble and aristocrat. Running dreadbore beacuse it unconditional killing power is worth the sorcery speed (I don't run into many situations where I need instant removal of that caliber).
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I am torn between a choice and i STRONGLY need your advice. I had today my 2x Thundermaw Hellkite . Now i don't know if i should play them instead of 2x Zealous conscripts or instead of 2x Pyreheart Wolf. To have 4x drop 5s will bring me consistency in late game, and as a drop 3 i ALWAYS wanna play Boros reckoner, wolves are a second choice.
What do you think?
Please note metagame will be FULL of midrange decks, both Jund and Naya. Thanks.
If your meta is full of midrange, I'd say that Zealous Conscripts may be the better card for you. Threaten effects are better the better your opponent's creatures are. Against midrange decks, you'll be stealing (typically) much better things. Once I stole an Aurelia, and you should have seen my opponent's face drop
I like your list as it is, though. I think it should do quite well for you. The only card I'm questioning is Thunderbolt in the side, and that's only because it's very narrow. Your deck wants to get through creatures so your creatures push the damage. I'd say Mizzium Mortars will do the job more reliably and better for you. It also gives you a huge option if a game goes long.
is a huge win condition, especially if they've burned all your snipes.
I was on the fence about Chandra vs Talrand, you just helped with that. I'll make that change. And I really like the deck, I have yet to test it against any T1 decks though, I typically play the Dos Rakis deck at FNM because I like winning
EDIT: After a few days of trying to figure out what deck Tibalt would actually WORK in, this is the one that finally came to fruition.
My main confusion right now is with the sideboard. I'm not totally confident I know how to identify which match-ups I need to board in these cards, and what to take out for them.
One card I'm sure sticks out is Rix Maadi Guildmage. She's there as a mana sink experiment. I think her abilities have use, but I'm not sure how relevant she'll actually be.
Brimstone Volley, Vexing Devil, and Knight of Infamy are also under scrutiny, as I'm not %100 on what their full potential is, and I sometimes find it difficult to know when is best to play them.
Dreadbore is another card I'm torn on; should it actually be in the main deck instead of Brimstone Volley, as I actually had originally intended? I took it out because not every deck is going to play big fatties, and something that can also go for the face such as Brimstone Volley seems like it'd perhaps be more relevant, more of the time in a deck like this. Yet creatures that can't simply be burned away show up often enough...
Anyway, I'd immensely appreciate any feedback you fine planeswalkers can give. I've put a lot into this deck, and I'd really like to see it blossom! Thanks in advance. <3
My main confusion right now is with the sideboard. I'm not totally confident I know how to identify which match-ups I need to board in these cards, and what to take out for them.
Nice work! I'm not a Rb ninja, but I would strongly advise looking at the Dos Rakis thread to pick up some ideas. I don't know the subtleties of their sb match-ups, but I can address somethings in the main deck.
One card I'm sure sticks out is Rix Maadi Guildmage. She's there as a mana sink experiment. I think her abilities have use, but I'm not sure how relevant she'll actually be.
I think she's a limited all-star, but question her abilities in a constructed environment. Her abilities are powerful, but I've never seen her played in standard.
Brimstone Volley, Vexing Devil, and Knight of Infamy are also under scrutiny, as I'm not %100 on what their full potential is, and I sometimes find it difficult to know when is best to play them.
Brimstone Volley can be great when you have a sac outlet online, like the Aristocrat. Knight of Infamy is brilliant when playing against white. Vexing Devil is not brilliant. You should read Z's RDW primer in general (if you haven't already) and about Vexing Devil in specific. (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=458431)
One thing I'm wondering about your deck is: where's the 3 drop? You have an abundance of 1 and 2s and 4s and 5s, but no 3s. Vampire Nighthawk can be amazing but intensive in the black mana. Boros Reckoner needs no introduction, but can be intensive on the wallet.
My main confusion right now is with the sideboard. I'm not totally confident I know how to identify which match-ups I need to board in these cards, and what to take out for them.
One card I'm sure sticks out is Rix Maadi Guildmage. She's there as a mana sink experiment. I think her abilities have use, but I'm not sure how relevant she'll actually be.
Brimstone Volley, Vexing Devil, and Knight of Infamy are also under scrutiny, as I'm not %100 on what their full potential is, and I sometimes find it difficult to know when is best to play them.
Dreadbore is another card I'm torn on; should it actually be in the main deck instead of Brimstone Volley, as I actually had originally intended? I took it out because not every deck is going to play big fatties, and something that can also go for the face such as Brimstone Volley seems like it'd perhaps be more relevant, more of the time in a deck like this. Yet creatures that can't simply be burned away show up often enough...
Anyway, I'd immensely appreciate any feedback you fine planeswalkers can give. I've put a lot into this deck, and I'd really like to see it blossom! Thanks in advance. <3
Don't let the other guys see you with those Vexing Devils. That is a bad, and well hated card in this community. 3x Thundermaw Hellkite is not happening on 22 land, and Falkenrath Aristocrat should be a 4 of.
Talz, I agree with Johnny Spike. The deck he posted is pretty much the standard Rakdos deck. Depending on what you are seeing at your game shop, you might want dreadbore in the main deck (as you mentioned). If you are seeing a lot of boros reckoner its nice to have a way to get rid of them without getting burned yourself (and they get rid of planeswakers). If you can't get reckoners right away another three drop possibility is hellhole flailer
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I wish I could take credit for the tech but I read about it in another thread. Without this place I don't think it would have crossed my mind to be honest.
It really depends, I try to play some mind games when I can. So I might just say "Dragon" without actually having the Hellkite just to make people start panicking and make a miss play. Otherwise, if in the ideal position of having it against a control match up I'll just try and put it down when I can get the most value out of it, like when I draw a Hellrider or Thundermaw Hellkite and hope they don't blow me out next turn.
Hmm It is a tough choice, I think I might just run it as is and kinda figure it out as I go. The main reason why I have Conscripts over Hellkite is because there are a few Midrange decks where I'm playing and taking their Thragtusk or Olivia Voldaren and killing them is sweet.
There's a lot that wouldn't have crossed my mind without this place.
I think the choice between Conscripts and Hellkite as the 5-drop really does come down to meta and personal preference. There are certainly enough lists around here to support both as being effective. In a Jund or midrange meta like yours, I'd probably pick the Conscripts as well. In a meta like mine, heavy on Naya and Bant midrange and aggro decks, I play Hellkite. Clears out those damned Lingering Souls on his way through too. But I will say that it's a LOT of fun to drop Conscripts, steal their best creature, swing, then sac the stolen creature to Aristocrat.
4x Ash Zealot
4x Boros Reckoner
4x Hellrider
4x Knight of Infamy
4x Rakdos Cackler
4x Stromkirk Noble
1x Thundermaw Hellkite
4x Blood Crypt
4x Dragonskull Summit
12x Mountain
3x Swamp
Sorcery (9)
2x Blasphemous Act
3x Dreadbore
4x Mugging
3x Searing Spear
I've replaced Falkenrath Aristocrat with Hellrider because, while I do like the Aristocrat, I find that I never consistently feel good about sacing the creatures I have on the board to her. Mid-game, Stromkirk and the Cackler are good fodder to make her indestructible, but by mid-game I want a +1/+1 counter on her too and I value the board presence of my human creatures too much. And if Aristocrat is gone, so is Thatcher Revolt, which is something I think I actually pulled off maybe one time. So... I don't know. I think I might be the least convinced of this change being a good one. I might just be biased in favor of the Aristocrats.
Boros Reckoner at 4-of now, and added Blasphemous Act as a 2-of. Board sweeper plus 13 damage to the opponent's dome. Very nice. Follow it up with a Haste creature and a combat phase and that's probably game. Think I should run more than 2x Blasphemous Acts?
A couple of meta calls are included in the deck as well. Knight of Infamy because Boros is a big deal at my LGS. Mugging and Dreadbore because I almost exclusively face Naya and Bant midrange decks, and a few Jund decks that feature the various Garruks, so it's more economical for me to be able to quickly do away with Planeswalkers and cheaply eliminate blockers than pack a lot of burn.
I took Cavern of Souls out of the MD because nobody runs a lot of countering, and I had a few hiccups with it only giving me colorless. I have my eye on Hellion Crucible, but I haven't tried running it yet. Mostly because it won't solve part of the problem I was having with CoS in the first place. But having a mana sink that pinches off a 4/4 hellion token seems pretty awesome.
As always decks have to be well tuned to the local meta, and while I think making use of Dreadbore is good maybe only two main would be better with an extra in the side. As for Blasphemous Act I recently added it to my deck as a 1 of because as aggro we really don't want to be board sweeping too often and Boros Reckoner + Blasphemous Act is only an alternative win con, not something we are breaking our backs trying to make happen.
Maybe with those tweaks you can put 2 Falkenrath Aristocrat and have the creature sweet spot of 27.
blasphemous act+reckoner is a real combo. Mostly because both cards are good on their own. It does double-duty in rakdos seeing as how your falkenrath can survive the act (which I agree, falkenrath aristocrat should be in there. It really is better than hellrider in a lot of ways. The main things being it has evasion and can survive verdict). It's hard to run both hellrider and falkenrath though, since you end up packing your 4-drop slot out too much and losing a lot of your speed. In this list falkenrath looks much better than hellrider simply because you're running fewer creatures.
dreadbore kills pretty much every problematic creature red has to worry about. smiter, reckoner, olivia, resto angel, griselbrand, etc. I don't really blame him for running 3. I might even run the full set if I was running black splash.
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a Boros Reckoneranything. Aristocrat can survive a Blasphemous Act that I drop right before combat. Aristocrat can survive Supreme Verdict. Aristocrat flies.I'm going to test running Hellion Crucible tonight as well.
Is 2x Blasphemous Act enough?
I am bumping this for your consideration; I've fixed up a sideboard.
4x Rakdos Cackler
4x Ash Zealot
4x Lightning Mauler
4x Boros Reckoner
4x Pyreheart Wolf
4x Hellrider
2x Zealous Conscripts
4x Clifftop Retreat
4x Sacred Foundry
12x Mountain
2x Cavern of Souls
2x Plains
Instant (8)
4x Boros Charm
4x Searing Spear
2x Mizzium Mortars
2x Electrickery
2x Volcanic Strength
2x Stonewright
2x Spark Trooper
2x Oblivion Ring
2x Mark of Mutiny
3x Pillar of Flame
Hello~! Long-time reader, first-time poster. Was finally meaning to try out the deck, and this is the build that I came up with, following some testing and reading of the thread. I was wondering if there were any suggestions that I people had, that I could apply to make this deck better. It used to run Legion Loyalists and Thundermaw Hellkites instead of Rakdos Cacklers and Zealous Conscripts, as well as a pair of Hellion Crucibles in the main instead of two mountains, but the Crucibles made me mulligan quite a few hands that otherwise would have been very good if I had a mountain instead, so the switch seemed necessary~!
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4x Boros Reckoner
4x Champion of the Parish
4x Elite Inquisitor
3x Nearheath Pilgrim
2x Restoration Angel
3x Silverblade Paladin
2x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4x War Falcon
2x Zealous Conscripts
3x Boros Charm
1x Harvest Pyre
3x Searing Spear
Sorcery (2)
1x Blasphemous Act
1x Mizzium Mortars
Land (23)
4x Clifftop Retreat
4x Mountain
9x Plains
4x Sacred Foundry
2x Slayers' Stronghold
1x Boros Charm
2x Mizzium Mortars
3x Rest in Peace
1x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3x Volcanic Strength
3x War Priest of Thune
First time making a Boros list, I know the Sb will need some work
I Know I have included a lot of 1 of of the Boros combo cards, I figured they are useful if I can get it off, and if not I haven't wasted to many slots on them.
Thanks for your time
WU$50 Budget UW heroicUW
Modern
WR Boros Burn RW
Commander/EDH
(WiP) RNorin the TrollR
2x Stonewright
4x Stromkirk Noble
4x Rakdos Cackler
4x Ash Zealot
4x Gore-House Chainwalker
4x Boros Reckoner
4x Hellrider
4x Searing Spear
4x Pillar of Flame
4x Volcanic Strength
Lands (22)
1x Hellion Crucible
21x Mountain
4x Flames of the Firebrand
4x Traitorous Blood
4x Mizzium Mortars
3x Hound of Griselbrand
Going to be taking this Mono-Red Aggro deck at my local FNM this week. Pretty comfortable with the MB but im still tinkering with my SB and looking for some critiquing. Not sure if I should include Skullcrack or Brimstone Volley over something else?
Hi AmbientRaven,
I've had some success with a white-based Boros, but it is tough. My experience has been that few of the cards fit together well and the curve is tough.
White Boros is frustrating because you have 2 high quality 3 drops (Reckoner and Silverblade) that actually don't play together well. With double strike, the Reckoner often will kill before he takes damage, which prevents the 2-for-1s that make the card amazing.
I'm not sure about the Nearheath Pilgrim in the main deck. This is a fairly aggro build and I don't think you need the lifegain against most decks. Most of the time I lost because I was in a horrible boardstate, not because if I held out for another turn or two I would have killed them.
I think Blasphemous Act is a sideboard card at best. It plus Reckoner is a cute trick, but I prefer much more reliability.
Harvest Pyre is a great sideboard card if you're going to be facing a lot of Esper control that will try to drownyard you out, but is certainly not something for the main deck.
Mizzium Mortars is another great card, but I think you want to run more Searing Spears instead. You want to deal a lot of damage early. When something hits the board that is larger than what you can deal with, that's what the Zealous Conscripts and the Reckoners are for. It's great in the sideboard for facing down Loxodon Smiters.
I'm not sure what to do about the War Falcons. For me, they were either incredibly awesome or incredibly pointless. Allowing them to hammer home 4-6 points early is huge, but they can be a lousy late draw and you have a number of non-knights or soldiers that could prevent them attacking even when you have other board presence. It's hard to find a 1-drop that works as well as they do when they work, but it's their great downside that's frustrating.
I know I haven't told you how to completely fix your deck, but best of luck! I'm currently running a red-heavy Boros build that's basically RDW + 3 Thalias at the 2 drop + 3 Boros Charms for reach and vs. control.
-Scott-
I like this. Could use some more Hellion Crucible though. Maybe 1 in the board for when you bring in the doggies?
4x Stromkirk Noble
4x Rakdos Cackler
4x Ash Zealot
4x Flinthoof Boar
4x Burning-tree Emissary
4x Boros Reckoner
4x Hellrider
2x Zealous Conscripts
4x Searing Spear
3x Rancor
Land -23
1x Kessig Wolf Run
2x Temple Garden
4x Stomping Ground
4x Rootbound Crag
12x Mountain
3x Hound of Griselbrand
3x Pillar of Flame
2x Mizzium Mortars
2x Garruk Relentless
2x Flames of the Firebrand
2x Blasphemous Act
1x Brimstone Volley
This is where I am currently with Gruul aggro. I'm either running this or that silly looking Increasing Savagery/Gyre Sage thing for Friday.
This is my first attempt at adding a second colour to my red aggro, any advice?
Thanks for the advice, I have tried to slim the deck down in white, but on all my testing I have been finding that the white is playing better for me.
The Silverblade is primarily a later game drop on either a Ramped Pilgrim or Restoration Angel
This is the new list I have been playing
4x Boros Reckoner
4x Champion of the Parish
4x Elite Inquisitor
3x Hellrider
2x Restoration Angel
3x Silverblade Paladin
2x Stonewright
3x Nearheath Pilgrim
3x War Falcon
2x Zealous Conscripts
3x Boros Charm
3x Searing Spear
Sorcery (1)
1x Blashphemous Act
Land (23)
4x Clifftop Retreat
5x Mountain
8x Plains
4x Sacred Foundry
2x Slayers' Stronghold
1x Boros Charm
2x Mizzium Mortars
3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3x Rest in Peace
3x Volcanic Strength
3x Warpriest of Thune
I Ended up keeping Blasphemous Act because it's won me a few games. Boros Charm my creatures then trigger. Clears a board, and hits them to the face for 13. Almost always a guaranteed win. I play in a creature heavy meta (BR Vamps, R/B Rakdos agro, another Boros, Orzhov agro flyer extort homebrew, GW Tokens).
I playtested solitaring against a mostly red boros, gruul and RB Agro and found the lifelink helps stabalise against them, whilst a silverblade paired with resto-angel is a great win con, same with hellrider.
I have a lot of cards whom trigger the Pilgrim, and the Falcon. The stonewright I also find useful late game as he is a mana dump, and attached to double strike angel or hellrider it can also win games, situationally.
I would love some feedback on the new list though!
WU$50 Budget UW heroicUW
Modern
WR Boros Burn RW
Commander/EDH
(WiP) RNorin the TrollR
This is the deck I will be piloting for this weeks FNM. I have play tested a bit and this is the best I came up with. Advice, comments, concerns are appreciated.
PS Long time lurker and this community is awesome!!
4 Stromkirk Noble
3 Stonewright
4 Ash Zealot
4 Knight of Infamy
4 Boros Reckoner
3 Stromkirk Captain
4 Falkenrath Aristocrat
Spells
4 Searing Spear
3 Boros Charm
2 Pillar of Flame
2 Dreadbore
4 Blood Crypt
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Sacred Foundry
3 Clifftop Retreat
3 Cavern of Souls
5 Mountain
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Mizzium Mortars
2 Slaughter Games
2 Glaring Spotlight
2 Skullcrack
2 Thundermaw Hellkite
1 Cavern of Souls
Captain goldfished well for me, it's decent on its own and is best friends with noble and aristocrat. Running dreadbore beacuse it unconditional killing power is worth the sorcery speed (I don't run into many situations where I need instant removal of that caliber).
on playing dos rakis
If your meta is full of midrange, I'd say that Zealous Conscripts may be the better card for you. Threaten effects are better the better your opponent's creatures are. Against midrange decks, you'll be stealing (typically) much better things. Once I stole an Aurelia, and you should have seen my opponent's face drop
I like your list as it is, though. I think it should do quite well for you. The only card I'm questioning is Thunderbolt in the side, and that's only because it's very narrow. Your deck wants to get through creatures so your creatures push the damage. I'd say Mizzium Mortars will do the job more reliably and better for you. It also gives you a huge option if a game goes long.
Currently Working On: Jund Ramp (RTR Block)
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Here's the first, a rather normal Dos Rakis list that I'm running without Cackler.
4 Stromkirk Noble
3 Stonewright
4 Ash Zealot
4 Knight of Infamy
4 Pyreheart Wolf
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Falkenrath Aristocrat
2 Zealous Conscripts
2 Dreadbore
2 Pillar of Flame
4 Searing Spear
Lands:
4 Blood Crypt
4 Dragonskull Summit
3 Godless Shrine
12 Mountain
1 Sever the Bloodline
1 Rakdos's Return
3 Slaughter Games
2 Reverberate
2 Skullcrack
2 Dreadbore
2 Olivia Voldaren
2 Mizzium Mortars
And my strange Izzet Deck that actually uses Tibalt
4 Guttersnipe
4 Goblin Electromancer
Enchantments:
4 Burning Vengeance
Planeswalkers:
4 Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded
Instants/Sorceries:
4 Think Twice
4 Faithless Looting
4 Desperate Ravings
3 Thought Scour
3 Izzet Charm
1 Devil's Play
2 Past in Flames
2 Runic Repetition
4 Sulfur Falls
4 Steam Vents
3 Izzet Guildgate
1 Desolate Lighthouse
1 Island
8 Mountain
3 Skullcrack
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Negate
2 Essence Scatter
2 Talrand, Sky Summoner
2 Cyclonic Rift
I wasn't sure where to post the Izzet deck, and since it's mostly Red, the R/x forum seemed like a good place.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
NOTHING
Modern:
Mono W Death and Taxes
Affinity
Legacy:
Manaless Dredge
Commander:
Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
Generation 9: The first time you see this, copy and paste it into your sig and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment
I don't like Chandra though. I don't think she's underapprecaited...just bad. Just bad.
For a 4 drop thats worth looking at though:
Talrand, Sky Summoner
http://magiccards.info/m13/en/72.html
is a huge win condition, especially if they've burned all your snipes.
Fires (R/G)f Salvation
Gruul to the end. "If it doesn't break... hit harder."
I was on the fence about Chandra vs Talrand, you just helped with that. I'll make that change. And I really like the deck, I have yet to test it against any T1 decks though, I typically play the Dos Rakis deck at FNM because I like winning
EDIT: After a few days of trying to figure out what deck Tibalt would actually WORK in, this is the one that finally came to fruition.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
NOTHING
Modern:
Mono W Death and Taxes
Affinity
Legacy:
Manaless Dredge
Commander:
Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
Generation 9: The first time you see this, copy and paste it into your sig and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment
4 Stromkirk Noble
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Vexing Devil
4 Ash Zealot
3 Knight of Infamy
1 Rix Maadi Guildmage
3 Falkenrath Aristocrat
3 Thundermaw Hellkite
4 Pillar of Flame
4 Searing Spear
3 Brimstone Volley
Land
4 Blood Crypt
4 Dragonskull Summit
11 Mountain
3 Swamp
3 Duress
3 Rakdos Charm
3 Dreadbore
3 Sever the Bloodline
3 Slaughter Games
My main confusion right now is with the sideboard. I'm not totally confident I know how to identify which match-ups I need to board in these cards, and what to take out for them.
One card I'm sure sticks out is Rix Maadi Guildmage. She's there as a mana sink experiment. I think her abilities have use, but I'm not sure how relevant she'll actually be.
Brimstone Volley, Vexing Devil, and Knight of Infamy are also under scrutiny, as I'm not %100 on what their full potential is, and I sometimes find it difficult to know when is best to play them.
Dreadbore is another card I'm torn on; should it actually be in the main deck instead of Brimstone Volley, as I actually had originally intended? I took it out because not every deck is going to play big fatties, and something that can also go for the face such as Brimstone Volley seems like it'd perhaps be more relevant, more of the time in a deck like this. Yet creatures that can't simply be burned away show up often enough...
Anyway, I'd immensely appreciate any feedback you fine planeswalkers can give. I've put a lot into this deck, and I'd really like to see it blossom! Thanks in advance. <3
Nice work! I'm not a Rb ninja, but I would strongly advise looking at the Dos Rakis thread to pick up some ideas. I don't know the subtleties of their sb match-ups, but I can address somethings in the main deck.
I think she's a limited all-star, but question her abilities in a constructed environment. Her abilities are powerful, but I've never seen her played in standard.
Brimstone Volley can be great when you have a sac outlet online, like the Aristocrat. Knight of Infamy is brilliant when playing against white. Vexing Devil is not brilliant. You should read Z's RDW primer in general (if you haven't already) and about Vexing Devil in specific. (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=458431)
One thing I'm wondering about your deck is: where's the 3 drop? You have an abundance of 1 and 2s and 4s and 5s, but no 3s. Vampire Nighthawk can be amazing but intensive in the black mana. Boros Reckoner needs no introduction, but can be intensive on the wallet.
Good luck with your deck!
-Scott-
Don't let the other guys see you with those Vexing Devils. That is a bad, and well hated card in this community. 3x Thundermaw Hellkite is not happening on 22 land, and Falkenrath Aristocrat should be a 4 of.
Something like this would be better:
4 Stromkirk Noble
4 Rakdos Cackler
2 Stonewright
4 Ash Zealot
4 Knight of Infamy
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Falkenrath Aristocrat
2 Thundermaw Hellkite
3 Pillar of Flame
4 Searing Spear
2 Brimstone Volley
Land (23)
4 Blood Crypt
4 Dragonskull Summit
11 Mountain
4 Godless Shrine
3 Duress
3 Rakdos Charm
3 Dreadbore
3 Sever the Bloodline
3 Slaughter Games