I've already lost several games to top decked and/or hard cast-ed bonfires. It is just broken. I don't like playing decks with small creatures anyways, but there are very few other viable ptions. Basically I am pigeonholed into blue.
I'm just not liking the direction of MTG. It is getting faster and less forgiving of creativity(there's not much you can dink around with, when winning depends on either defending against, or executing a T1-T5 onslaught).
While the best cards are not 'as' broken as before, the games still revolve around them.
OR, you can experiment with new ideas and combos that aren't entirely proven yet and have fun with standard. Naya aggro (I'm assuming you're playing because of Bonfire), is fast, but it's not unbeatable. If your deck loses to Bonfire, then it's because your deck lacks the answer to it, so find a way to improve your deck not just for Bonfire, but for all threats in your meta, and make it work.
The game will always evolve around the best cards, but better players take other cards and make the best of those.
I believe there were actually fewer broken cards during the Jtms era (even though he was significantly more broken). Or maybe the utility cards (like everflowing chalice) were just stronger, I felt I had a better chance back then playing a somewhat rogue deck.
Now the plan is just to give each archetype a balanced numbers of broken cards. There's a larger number of tournament winning decks, but they all still revolve around the small broken 'cores' for each color.
I agree with pancake puffs, you should do Delver. Mana Leak the Bonfire. Put out threats that can kill - Delver, Sword. Match their Blade Splicer/Restoration Angel with yours.
Or if you want to try something different, I've heard that Mono Black is fun. I haven't played against it or tested it, but you can probably find some lists at scg.com.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Standard is obviously fast right now because it has the maximum number of cards -- two blocks and two core sets. If you don't like the speed of it right now simply wait three months until 4 sets rotate out and only one comes in.
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Add my MTGO accountOzryelto playtest competitive standard. Currently playing BUG Midrange.
Lacks a respect for creativity? Delver, statistically the most dominant deck in the format, wins only 51-55% of the time vs the field. Your meta may be limited but the format as a whole definitely is not.
I don't think 3 months of no magic is enough of a break to justify claiming your opinion of the direction of the game. There is no real big difference from 3 months ago. So you quit around AVR release because you didn't like it... came back to a Core Set and made the same decision. If you really dont like it then give it some time, or play other formats. I promise you will enjoy it more if you come back after at least a rotation. Just do limited/EDH/modern/legacy until about October and see what you think. Your opinion may change and if it doesn't then rinse and repeat.
I don't think 3 months of no magic is enough of a break to justify claiming your opinion of the direction of the game. There is no real big difference from 3 months ago. So you quit around AVR release because you didn't like it... came back to a Core Set and made the same decision. If you really dont like it then give it some time, or play other formats. I promise you will enjoy it more if you come back after at least a rotation. Just do limited/EDH/modern/legacy until about October and see what you think. Your opinion may change and if it doesn't then rinse and repeat.
Levgre has been around for some time, and he's fully qualified to know what he likes and doesn't like.
His evaluation that during cawblade's time that the creatures were less powerful than they are now is correct. The evaluation that decks revolve around the same cards is also correct. When every deck runs up to 4 copies of Swords of War and Peace or some other Sword. The decks essentially try to arrive at the same destination. Equip a sword, swing and win.
There are variances, but the sword strategy is the underlying finisher.
Yeah, undying, pod, moorland haunt and conscripts make control unable to reliably win a long game. At the same time bonfire destroys any deck that wants to build up board position.
Basically, no matter what style of deck you are playing, you are forced to race in this meta. All slow decks just fell off the competitive scene.
That's a simplistic view, but honestly, make something with a bit of control and splash in Thragtusk for a bit of power, life, and defense. He's highly splashable.
Just looking at some of the decks appearing at the Starcity event, standard appears more diverse than ever (excluding combo I guess). Mono black artifacts is making a showing, elves are back, wizards too, and so on. Bonfire is red's biggest staple no doubt, but I don't get why you have an issue with it. Its just very good, not broken at all.
Levgre has been around for some time, and he's fully qualified to know what he likes and doesn't like.
His evaluation that during cawblade's time that the creatures were less powerful than they are now is correct. The evaluation that decks revolve around the same cards is also correct. When every deck runs up to 4 copies of Swords of War and Peace or some other Sword. The decks essentially try to arrive at the same destination. Equip a sword, swing and win.
There are variances, but the sword strategy is the underlying finisher.
I understand what youre saying but what i mean is he quit and came back in the same standard in the same metas... of course he wont like it he didnt give it enough time to change.
Bonfire is a really ridiculous and unfun card. I'm confused as to why it was printed. It is an issue in limited and it is an issue in constructed. They say mythics are designed to not be a mandatory 4-of but right now running any red deck without four of them is just silly because it's such an absurdly overpowered card.
Based on his post, don't you think that he actually wants to have fun?
Delver isn't fun?
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Personally I run a red deck that doesn't run Bonfire
The only miracle in the deck is Reforge the Soul.
As it turns out, "Standard Storm" is actually fun :p. I beat out my friends Mono G deck pretty consistantly. The only Problem is that Counters and Thalia makes my life MUCH more difficult -.-
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This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
Bonfire is a really ridiculous and unfun card. I'm confused as to why it was printed. It is an issue in limited and it is an issue in constructed. They say mythics are designed to not be a mandatory 4-of but right now running any red deck without four of them is just silly because it's such an absurdly overpowered card.
I agree 100%. This card should not have been printed as is. It's swingy, expensive to obtain, and has very little risk to running. Just another example of how Wizards is willing to ruin the game for a cash grab.
There are variances, but the sword strategy is the underlying finisher.
2 things.
1. Swords are going to rotate out soon.
2. In a standard format that has more decktypes winning major tournaments than maybe any other since pre-Tempest, your main complain is about how all these different decks finish? Looking through the established competitive forum, b/r zombies, frights, and w/u humans, and U/B/W all lack swords or run few copies in most of the recent posted deck builds. WRRamp also generally doesn't run swords. That's more than half of the top tier decks in the format.
Your assertion seems to be based on your meta and not on the wider trend Mtg is going through. Which is fine, I'm not saying you can't be fed up with whatever your meta is, but generalizing that argument to all of Mtg is, in my mind, unsupportable.
What are you casting to cash on the number of spells played this turn, then?
Its called standard storm buts its not a true storm deck. Essentially the win con is (depending on the build) to win with Burning Vengence (just keep falshbacking everything and keep the machine running) or by using Devil's Play (You can easily generate over 30 mana in one turn)
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This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
Just looking at some of the decks appearing at the Starcity event, standard appears more diverse than ever (excluding combo I guess). Mono black artifacts is making a showing, elves are back, wizards too, and so on. Bonfire is red's biggest staple no doubt, but I don't get why you have an issue with it. Its just very good, not broken at all.
This!!
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top 4: mono blue wizard, naya pod, naya aggro, mono green aggro
top 8: esper midrange, GW aggro, bant pod, naya humans
2. In a standard format that has more decktypes winning major tournaments than maybe any other since pre-Tempest, your main complain is about how all these different decks finish? Looking through the established competitive forum, b/r zombies, frights, and w/u humans, and U/B/W all lack swords or run few copies in most of the recent posted deck builds. WRRamp also generally doesn't run swords. That's more than half of the top tier decks in the format.
Your assertion seems to be based on your meta and not on the wider trend Mtg is going through. Which is fine, I'm not saying you can't be fed up with whatever your meta is, but generalizing that argument to all of Mtg is, in my mind, unsupportable.
So your counter-argument includes four decks that have for in some case months been uncompetitive. Well done. And for the record, many humans decks featured swords and at worlds many control decks did as well. See, I can bring up pointless examples as well.
The swords have significantly defined the meta they existed in. And why wouldn't they? They're arguably the best cards in the block.
I agree 100%. This card should not have been printed as is. It's swingy, expensive to obtain, and has very little risk to running. Just another example of how Wizards is willing to ruin the game for a cash grab.
Bonfire is just sick. I lost so many games to topdeck Bonfire(without library manipulation) it's ain't funny. 2 Bonfires on me a few times as well.
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I'm just not liking the direction of MTG. It is getting faster and less forgiving of creativity(there's not much you can dink around with, when winning depends on either defending against, or executing a T1-T5 onslaught).
While the best cards are not 'as' broken as before, the games still revolve around them.
OR, you can experiment with new ideas and combos that aren't entirely proven yet and have fun with standard. Naya aggro (I'm assuming you're playing because of Bonfire), is fast, but it's not unbeatable. If your deck loses to Bonfire, then it's because your deck lacks the answer to it, so find a way to improve your deck not just for Bonfire, but for all threats in your meta, and make it work.
The game will always evolve around the best cards, but better players take other cards and make the best of those.
Now the plan is just to give each archetype a balanced numbers of broken cards. There's a larger number of tournament winning decks, but they all still revolve around the small broken 'cores' for each color.
Or if you want to try something different, I've heard that Mono Black is fun. I haven't played against it or tested it, but you can probably find some lists at scg.com.
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Levgre has been around for some time, and he's fully qualified to know what he likes and doesn't like.
His evaluation that during cawblade's time that the creatures were less powerful than they are now is correct. The evaluation that decks revolve around the same cards is also correct. When every deck runs up to 4 copies of Swords of War and Peace or some other Sword. The decks essentially try to arrive at the same destination. Equip a sword, swing and win.
There are variances, but the sword strategy is the underlying finisher.
Basically, no matter what style of deck you are playing, you are forced to race in this meta. All slow decks just fell off the competitive scene.
That's a simplistic view, but honestly, make something with a bit of control and splash in Thragtusk for a bit of power, life, and defense. He's highly splashable.
I understand what youre saying but what i mean is he quit and came back in the same standard in the same metas... of course he wont like it he didnt give it enough time to change.
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Delver isn't fun?
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)The only miracle in the deck is Reforge the Soul.
As it turns out, "Standard Storm" is actually fun :p. I beat out my friends Mono G deck pretty consistantly. The only Problem is that Counters and Thalia makes my life MUCH more difficult -.-
This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
I agree 100%. This card should not have been printed as is. It's swingy, expensive to obtain, and has very little risk to running. Just another example of how Wizards is willing to ruin the game for a cash grab.
2 things.
1. Swords are going to rotate out soon.
2. In a standard format that has more decktypes winning major tournaments than maybe any other since pre-Tempest, your main complain is about how all these different decks finish? Looking through the established competitive forum, b/r zombies, frights, and w/u humans, and U/B/W all lack swords or run few copies in most of the recent posted deck builds. WRRamp also generally doesn't run swords. That's more than half of the top tier decks in the format.
Your assertion seems to be based on your meta and not on the wider trend Mtg is going through. Which is fine, I'm not saying you can't be fed up with whatever your meta is, but generalizing that argument to all of Mtg is, in my mind, unsupportable.
Its called standard storm buts its not a true storm deck. Essentially the win con is (depending on the build) to win with Burning Vengence (just keep falshbacking everything and keep the machine running) or by using Devil's Play (You can easily generate over 30 mana in one turn)
This aint your girlfriends meta! This is a man's meta! TURBO META.
This!!
SCG St Louis:
top 4: mono blue wizard, naya pod, naya aggro, mono green aggro
top 8: esper midrange, GW aggro, bant pod, naya humans
TCG Player open 5k - Orlando:
Faithless rites, esper midrange, RG aggro, Naya Pod, WRR, UB Zombies, Esper Control, UW Delver
So your counter-argument includes four decks that have for in some case months been uncompetitive. Well done. And for the record, many humans decks featured swords and at worlds many control decks did as well. See, I can bring up pointless examples as well.
The swords have significantly defined the meta they existed in. And why wouldn't they? They're arguably the best cards in the block.
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Bonfire is just sick. I lost so many games to topdeck Bonfire(without library manipulation) it's ain't funny. 2 Bonfires on me a few times as well.
FTFY
And thank you.
You're conflating the word pointless and something else. Irrelevant maybe? Incorrect? Dunno, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.
Right, and that's not a Bad Thing™. Really good cards have a place in the format, especially really good cards that many decks can take advantage of.