There is one massive downside to this. I have no idea what I am supposed to be playing for a GP coming up. My local meta isn't helpful at all and rarely reflects what I see performing well at other events. While it's nice that it is really robust, it feels a bit like a crapshoot for a major event which again, is both good and bad.
Hey, have fun with it!
Jam a bit on modo if you can.
As a grinder that's tough to do though mainly because of how polarizing things feel right now. Seems like you get run over or you run people over a lot right now and there isn't much inbetween that. It's fine and I'll enjoy the event but it makes winning more of a crapshoot and that kinda blows. Oh well, all in all I'm just happy the standard format is in a better spot but I feel it won't be totally healed until after rotation. I've been waiting on KLD rotation more eagerly than any set I've ever played.
As a grinder that's tough to do though mainly because of how polarizing things feel right now.
I get that complaint.
Listen, I've played a ton of standard over the past couple years and it's quality has waxed and waned. Sometimes, even in fair formats, you'll get absolutely roasted; maybe because you meta gamed wrong, maybe because you're approach matchups in the wrong way, and sometimes even because you're trying to play in a way the format doesn't promote.
What's most important in those formats? What you learn.
I've had some bad runs, even in fair formats, where the cards I were playing with did not like up correctly with the room/meta. However, from these formats, I developed a good understanding of how to approach problems in the meta -- what works and what doesn't.
Do I know everything from losing a bunch? Absolutely not. Do I know that I learned a lot? Yeah and it was a lot more valuable than all the times I got easy wins because I was casting Stormbreath Dragon on turn3.
So, anyway, even if you feel like you might not crush a GP or you're not super confident in your deck choice, go out and play Magic. You'll get something out of it, maybe even a couple wins.
A much better way of curbing mono red would have been to ban Bomat Courier. That is by far the best one-drop in the entire deck and the most powerful thing you could be doing on turn 1, similar to how Attune was the most powerful turn 1 play in energy.
A much better way of curbing mono red would have been to ban Bomat Courier. That is by far the best one-drop in the entire deck and the most powerful thing you could be doing on turn 1, similar to how Attune was the most powerful turn 1 play in energy.
I honestly don't understand the Rampaging Ferocidon ban, at all. Never had a problem with the card to be honest, and it would actually give dinosaurs an aggressive 3 drop. Ramunap Ruins, however, I was glad to see go, because we haven't had the inevitability of something like Cursed Scroll in a long time, and for some colors, the Standard pool isn't strong enough in some other colors to handle it.
A much better way of curbing mono red would have been to ban Bomat Courier. That is by far the best one-drop in the entire deck and the most powerful thing you could be doing on turn 1, similar to how Attune was the most powerful turn 1 play in energy.
I honestly don't understand the Rampaging Ferocidon ban, at all. Never had a problem with the card to be honest, and it would actually give dinosaurs an aggressive 3 drop. Ramunap Ruins, however, I was glad to see go, because we haven't had the inevitability of something like Cursed Scroll in a long time, and for some colors, the Standard pool isn't strong enough in some other colors to handle it.
Field of Ruin was available for any deck to be able to interact with Ramunap Ruins. The issue with mono red is not inevitability its the pushed 1 and 2 drops such as Bomat Courier, Kari Zev, Scrapheap Scrounger (for the black splash versions) and Earthshaker Khenra
Some of these cards were both aggressive AND had good inevitability such Scrounger and Khenra coming back.
But really it was coming out of the gates with a Bomat on turn 1 that was so powerful.
So I must be dumb, but why isn't merfolk more popular? It sort of reminds me of zombies in that it can play the aggressive fast start or the long game with kumena, deeproot waters and other engines.
So I must be dumb, but why isn't merfolk more popular? It sort of reminds me of zombies in that it can play the aggressive fast start or the long game with kumena, deeproot waters and other engines.
I'm guessing the other decks that are available are just better. Maybe with Hinterland Harbor reprinted merfolk will finally have a good manabase to compete. We shall see.
I've been playing Wb vampires the past few months, should I be fine until at least the PT when we figure out what decks are good?
I cant imagine dominaria shaking up the format too much. The decks that are good now should mostly still be good then.
if anything my deck will be getting a better mana base, I guess I can wait and see what else will be good
The only thing that I see making it harder for your deck is possibly Goblin Chainwhirler, depending on how many tokens you run, and if you have a lord out.
I think a lot of people are missing that Goblin Chainwhirler can actually do 2 damage to all creatures an opponent controls if it gets haste. I've been playing around with that trick.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
How so ? It reads "when it etb", not when it attacks... ?
Huh, I thought it was when it attacks and not just when it ETBs. Nevermind, then. Sometimes I dislike working on ideas at 11-12 pm.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Gonna have to say that 3 standard cards ringing in at $35+ (I know prices settle with time but these have all gone up) is BS and not good for the game.
They still do nothing to make the price of standard better.
Gonna have to say that 3 standard cards ringing in at $35+ (I know prices settle with time but these have all gone up) is BS and not good for the game.
They still do nothing to make the price of standard better.
Consumer demand dictates the price.
Economics 101.
Gonna have to say that 3 standard cards ringing in at $35+ (I know prices settle with time but these have all gone up) is BS and not good for the game.
They still do nothing to make the price of standard better.
Consumer demand dictates the price.
Economics 101.
I would agree. Although I think it depends on the rarity. I especially hate the price of Lands these days. The good ones.
I find the following statement problematic. It seems like it could be seen as flaming or trolling, but it seems clear to me that it is not constructive.
And your statement still stands incorrect when you say "they still do nothing to make the price better". I can see ways of interpreting this statement wherein it is not incorrect.
Who are they and what are they supposed to do to fix the price to meet your needs? Do you mean they as in the consumer should stop wanting certain cards? Questions can be good. But what is your intent? Are you intending to share your insights with your fellow poster or make them wrong? Individual card prices are obviously determined by supply, demand and contextual power level. The introduction of Mythic rarity and the design of individual cards are both under Wizards' control and arguably can affect market price. But whatever the facts, I need the discussion to be more constructive than this post. - hoser2
This is shaping up to be an expensive standard, but mostly because control is taking off like a rocket ship. There's a lot of tools available for control to make use of, and I think the 7 sets deep standard is getting a bit nuts for the format.
Also, what doesn't help things is how weak Ixalan block is. They made pirates that are for go wide, yet they didn't make anything like Dragon Fodder to help power that ability in rakdos. Then there are the value pirates that are good, but only if other pirates are around and newer creatures just out class the buggers. The only thing surviving Ixalan block is dinosaurs and possibly vampires, but only because vampires also share the knight subtype.
Over all the prices are from dominaria hype and a small introductory release of boxes. Once the supply issue is taken care of the prices should go through the usual drops.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
It would be great for the prices to nose dive but right now it's the power cards that are appearing with high frequency in decks.
FNM showed me a dude with 4 Karn, at least 2 Lyra and 4 Benalia in a mono white deck. Have to say dealing with Karn repeatedly is devastating.
The price of standard has been high and it gets worse now that standard numbers are low. Barely fired and that was only because some employees 'joined in' so we could have standard that night. Modern still strong with 30+.
Something beyond the consumer's control needs to be done to reign things in a bit. People still shrug and say 'Karn will play in Modern' and just accept the price tag. Not great for inducting new people or getting players to return. That's my concern.
Control IS doing well again and look at the UW lists. Karn, Teferi, History of Benalia, Lyra are all there together or some variation of them. Hell the mono white tokens had them all except Teferi. You can't recruit people to play standard when the cost to play is this high and the options to play without these monsters is lackluster. Even Red Deck wins, which traditionally hasn't been the highest priced deck out there is pretty pricey if you max it out with Phoenix and Hazoret. Instead we get a 2H giant set.
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I'm pretty excited to start playing standard again, format seems sweet right now. Gonna probably start off on approach but I can see myself trying most UW variants
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You can't recruit people to play standard when the cost to play is this high and the options to play without these monsters is lackluster.
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I agree that the prices for these cards are tough for some. The hardest part for me is that they are bound to lose value over their standard life. People are happy to pay much more for modern cards, but they can expect them to more or less hold value.
I don't agree that recruiting people to play standard is impossible. Nor do I agree that the options to play without these cards are lackluster. Last Wednesday, I took this to standard and won a 10 person event. Tonight, I went 3-0 with this deck (which, to be fair, has The Scarab God, with a current TCG market price of $22.50, but I replaced the Karn with a Champion of Wits and didn't miss it. ). There are plenty of competitive decks and I don't believe people need to have these particular expensive cards to win or have fun. Further, Standard Showdown is back and the showdown packs ooze value.
As a grinder that's tough to do though mainly because of how polarizing things feel right now. Seems like you get run over or you run people over a lot right now and there isn't much inbetween that. It's fine and I'll enjoy the event but it makes winning more of a crapshoot and that kinda blows. Oh well, all in all I'm just happy the standard format is in a better spot but I feel it won't be totally healed until after rotation. I've been waiting on KLD rotation more eagerly than any set I've ever played.
I get that complaint.
Listen, I've played a ton of standard over the past couple years and it's quality has waxed and waned. Sometimes, even in fair formats, you'll get absolutely roasted; maybe because you meta gamed wrong, maybe because you're approach matchups in the wrong way, and sometimes even because you're trying to play in a way the format doesn't promote.
What's most important in those formats? What you learn.
I've had some bad runs, even in fair formats, where the cards I were playing with did not like up correctly with the room/meta. However, from these formats, I developed a good understanding of how to approach problems in the meta -- what works and what doesn't.
Do I know everything from losing a bunch? Absolutely not. Do I know that I learned a lot? Yeah and it was a lot more valuable than all the times I got easy wins because I was casting Stormbreath Dragon on turn3.
So, anyway, even if you feel like you might not crush a GP or you're not super confident in your deck choice, go out and play Magic. You'll get something out of it, maybe even a couple wins.
A much better way of curbing mono red would have been to ban Bomat Courier. That is by far the best one-drop in the entire deck and the most powerful thing you could be doing on turn 1, similar to how Attune was the most powerful turn 1 play in energy.
I honestly don't understand the Rampaging Ferocidon ban, at all. Never had a problem with the card to be honest, and it would actually give dinosaurs an aggressive 3 drop. Ramunap Ruins, however, I was glad to see go, because we haven't had the inevitability of something like Cursed Scroll in a long time, and for some colors, the Standard pool isn't strong enough in some other colors to handle it.
Field of Ruin was available for any deck to be able to interact with Ramunap Ruins. The issue with mono red is not inevitability its the pushed 1 and 2 drops such as Bomat Courier, Kari Zev, Scrapheap Scrounger (for the black splash versions) and Earthshaker Khenra
Some of these cards were both aggressive AND had good inevitability such Scrounger and Khenra coming back.
But really it was coming out of the gates with a Bomat on turn 1 that was so powerful.
I'm guessing the other decks that are available are just better. Maybe with Hinterland Harbor reprinted merfolk will finally have a good manabase to compete. We shall see.
I cant imagine dominaria shaking up the format too much. The decks that are good now should mostly still be good then.
if anything my deck will be getting a better mana base, I guess I can wait and see what else will be good
The only thing that I see making it harder for your deck is possibly Goblin Chainwhirler, depending on how many tokens you run, and if you have a lord out.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Huh, I thought it was when it attacks and not just when it ETBs. Nevermind, then. Sometimes I dislike working on ideas at 11-12 pm.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
They still do nothing to make the price of standard better.
Economics 101.
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It's still a problem. My statement still stands.
I would agree. Although I think it depends on the rarity. I especially hate the price of Lands these days. The good ones.
I find the following statement problematic. It seems like it could be seen as flaming or trolling, but it seems clear to me that it is not constructive.
And your statement still stands incorrect when you say "they still do nothing to make the price better".
I can see ways of interpreting this statement wherein it is not incorrect.
Who are they and what are they supposed to do to fix the price to meet your needs? Do you mean they as in the consumer should stop wanting certain cards?
Questions can be good. But what is your intent? Are you intending to share your insights with your fellow poster or make them wrong? Individual card prices are obviously determined by supply, demand and contextual power level. The introduction of Mythic rarity and the design of individual cards are both under Wizards' control and arguably can affect market price. But whatever the facts, I need the discussion to be more constructive than this post. - hoser2
C Long Live Eldrazi C
Who makes the rarity?
Who makes the cards?
Who exerts control over the marketplace via reprints?
Who sets the pack price?
Rocket Science.
While I judge there to be provocation, I also judge that this post could be more constructive. Please stop. - hoser2
Also, what doesn't help things is how weak Ixalan block is. They made pirates that are for go wide, yet they didn't make anything like Dragon Fodder to help power that ability in rakdos. Then there are the value pirates that are good, but only if other pirates are around and newer creatures just out class the buggers. The only thing surviving Ixalan block is dinosaurs and possibly vampires, but only because vampires also share the knight subtype.
Over all the prices are from dominaria hype and a small introductory release of boxes. Once the supply issue is taken care of the prices should go through the usual drops.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
FNM showed me a dude with 4 Karn, at least 2 Lyra and 4 Benalia in a mono white deck. Have to say dealing with Karn repeatedly is devastating.
The price of standard has been high and it gets worse now that standard numbers are low. Barely fired and that was only because some employees 'joined in' so we could have standard that night. Modern still strong with 30+.
Something beyond the consumer's control needs to be done to reign things in a bit. People still shrug and say 'Karn will play in Modern' and just accept the price tag. Not great for inducting new people or getting players to return. That's my concern.
Control IS doing well again and look at the UW lists. Karn, Teferi, History of Benalia, Lyra are all there together or some variation of them. Hell the mono white tokens had them all except Teferi. You can't recruit people to play standard when the cost to play is this high and the options to play without these monsters is lackluster. Even Red Deck wins, which traditionally hasn't been the highest priced deck out there is pretty pricey if you max it out with Phoenix and Hazoret. Instead we get a 2H giant set.
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I don't agree that recruiting people to play standard is impossible. Nor do I agree that the options to play without these cards are lackluster. Last Wednesday, I took this to standard and won a 10 person event. Tonight, I went 3-0 with this deck (which, to be fair, has The Scarab God, with a current TCG market price of $22.50, but I replaced the Karn with a Champion of Wits and didn't miss it. ). There are plenty of competitive decks and I don't believe people need to have these particular expensive cards to win or have fun. Further, Standard Showdown is back and the showdown packs ooze value.
RNA Standard: Grixis Midrange, Jund Deathwhirler, Sultai Vannifar
GRN Standard: Red Midrange, Mono-Blue Tempo, Wr Aggro, Gruul Experimental Dinosaurs, Sultai Midrange, Jeskai Midrange
Modern: Bant Spirits
Forcing a single archetype in all formats: too many colors, bad mana.