Yep. Fair decks or even partly fair decks have ZERO competitive chance. Its all abuse mechanics, ramp to the moon, jump the curve, abuse the graveyard and a few busted combos/plays. Its basically Modern Lite without any "fair" cards to balance the format like Lightning Bolt,Path, or others to combat the degeneracy. Hell, I don't think if Tron was in the format it would even make more than a ripple at this point. I am losing interest on a daily basis. I think others are as well. Sitting around while an opponent clicks a million times does a thousand actions draws a jillion cards just isn't a fun experience to sit across from. The game shouldn't be that way.
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I am feeling similar atm tbh. They need to come in with the ban hammer hard in order to save the format at this point. I was pretty excited at the start because I was fed up with how degenerate modern is but having played a few of the challenge tourneys on mtgo and watching some streamers play them etc it’s just horrifying. People are just jamming all the broken "f.i.r.e" cards together from new sets and its horrifying. Just had three games on the bounce where i was against 5 colour Omnath, Uro, T3feri garbage. One I was watching got 3 Phoenix, 2 Hollow one and a Amalgam out on turn 3. It’s all just too much. “Fair” decks won’t ever have a chance in these eternal formats once they get a large enough card pool unless WOTC grow a spine and come down very hard on this kind of stuff, they said they don’t want Modern Lite well they need to prove it at this point because that’s all it is. What I find pretty funny though is that I was excited for Pioneer because it doesn’t have access to all the old op garbage and they went and replaced all the old op garbage with new op garbage courtesy of "f.i.r.e".
Not gonna lie I'm pretty new to pioneer I mostly play commander. One of the things that makes commander fun is that people self regulate and don't play unfair decks. It occurred to me that this could be possible in pioneer although not likely because people are trying to win and unfair decks typically give easier wins.
Not gonna lie I'm pretty new to pioneer I mostly play commander. One of the things that makes commander fun is that people self regulate and don't play unfair decks. It occurred to me that this could be possible in pioneer although not likely because people are trying to win and unfair decks typically give easier wins.
Its pretty much the opposite of Commander. Its Spike/Cutthroat/Winatallcosts play the fastest most busted cards available. Hardly anybody plays for fun of the game and anyone that plays fun brews gets labeled pejoratives like Janklord. It is designed to be competitive but we don't need OP FIRE cards every set warping the meta. It didn't take long for the format to warp and it will stay that way until WotC bans a LOT of cards.
It also shows that interest in the format is at an all time low. If I would have posted this 6 months ago I would have a legion of members calling me crazy. All I had to do was mention to ban Thoughtseize and BANG I would be called crazy by several members on the board. This format is tetering on the brink of death unless something is done.
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Not gonna lie I'm pretty new to pioneer I mostly play commander. One of the things that makes commander fun is that people self regulate and don't play unfair decks. It occurred to me that this could be possible in pioneer although not likely because people are trying to win and unfair decks typically give easier wins.
Its pretty much the opposite of Commander. Its Spike/Cutthroat/Winatallcosts play the fastest most busted cards available. Hardly anybody plays for fun of the game and anyone that plays fun brews gets labeled pejoratives like Janklord. It is designed to be competitive but we don't need OP FIRE cards every set warping the meta. It didn't take long for the format to warp and it will stay that way until WotC bans a LOT of cards.
It also shows that interest in the format is at an all time low. If I would have posted this 6 months ago I would have a legion of members calling me crazy. All I had to do was mention to ban Thoughtseize and BANG I would be called crazy by several members on the board. This format is tetering on the brink of death unless something is done.
Arguably fun decks are jank. I personally define jank broadly as not the most optimal deck and fun deck typically meet that criteria.
Just curious is thoughtsieze problematic for the format? It seems like hand disruption would stop combo decks by taking key pieces
Pioneer right now is the best it's ever been since Uro was printed. The combo season was a lot worse than this, not to mention the Companion month.
I'm not saying there are no problems: All Spells is a ridicolous deck, Uro and Omnath are busted, whatever. But you can definitely have fun, especially in small / local tournaments.
I see it as a near necessary evil. Its too much of a staple if that makes sense. Any black deck is basically reduced to 52 cards with T'seize and Push. Its a mindless turn 1 play with zero downside. There should be a greater penalty than 2 life for playing it. We will have to agree to disagree on it. Bring Bolt and Path into the format and I would back off my want to ban it immediately.
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Sure its better than it was. That's like saying a D- is better than an F. There is still vast room for improvement. Sure it could be worse, but it could be vastly better.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Its pretty much the opposite of Commander. Its Spike/Cutthroat/Winatallcosts play the fastest most busted cards available. Hardly anybody plays for fun of the game and anyone that plays fun brews gets labeled pejoratives like Janklord. It is designed to be competitive but we don't need OP FIRE cards every set warping the meta. It didn't take long for the format to warp and it will stay that way until WotC bans a LOT of cards.
It also shows that interest in the format is at an all time low. If I would have posted this 6 months ago I would have a legion of members calling me crazy. All I had to do was mention to ban Thoughtseize and BANG I would be called crazy by several members on the board. This format is tetering on the brink of death unless something is done.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Arguably fun decks are jank. I personally define jank broadly as not the most optimal deck and fun deck typically meet that criteria.
Just curious is thoughtsieze problematic for the format? It seems like hand disruption would stop combo decks by taking key pieces
I'm not saying there are no problems: All Spells is a ridicolous deck, Uro and Omnath are busted, whatever. But you can definitely have fun, especially in small / local tournaments.
P.S.: Thoughtseize is great!
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I see it as a near necessary evil. Its too much of a staple if that makes sense. Any black deck is basically reduced to 52 cards with T'seize and Push. Its a mindless turn 1 play with zero downside. There should be a greater penalty than 2 life for playing it. We will have to agree to disagree on it. Bring Bolt and Path into the format and I would back off my want to ban it immediately.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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agreed. the format got a breathe of fresh air when they got rid of most combo decks with a large ban. And also the companion nerf.
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