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Very good reasons, Michelle. I'm surprised, though, because I thought I'm rather alone with my dislike of discord.
Discord sucks! I tried to 'live with it' for another game, about 3,4 months ago. Beside the ceaseless 'spamming', that you described( a lot of 'status messages' pop up, too, like 'xy joined the channel') it let my game crash sometimes, which stopped after I had uninstalled discord again.
I think it is also a matter of generations, discord is probably less annoying for people who welcome to receive 5 or more SMS per hour, people who probably feel isolated or empty if they DON'T receive 5 SMS per hour. No matter if those were only generated automatically and have no information or urgency for them.
I never saw any link to discord here, I even don't know the name of the discord channel for our format, so I can't add that to starting post.
I asked lowman for this, last Saturday, and you propably read his answer, that 'this forum is dead and nobody uses it'. Well this isn't the first time a forum moves, even this forum was moved before when WotC dismissed their forums. But it's the first time that there is no connection from the old place. Natural thing so far was a link to the new destination. This is no secret rave in the 90's! However, I told lowman about it, he declined and I'm done with it.
I don't care to utterly vacate this forum...I just don't always have the time to manage all of them and most of the newer players like discord a bit better and I tend to find that it can do more to link people both in real time; I've actually used it to video chat with stsung, and talk to folks from other singleton communities on it a decent bit. That aside decently big news:
Next week there will be a special prize pool because I came into some random valuable cards.
First Place will get a Karn, Liberated; 2nd Place if there are finals, or if there are not then randomly selected from all other players than 1st place (ie not a door prize because I don't want to incentivize doing poorly in the event) will be a snapcaster mage.
Please give discord a shot, and in regards to spamming, I haven't had that issue, but I have my privacy settings turned fairly high. In regards to what I've seen available it's not a bad place to interact with other people who love the format. And, if you so choose to stay here and only here, to appease your obdurate nature's I'll do my best to keep up with MTGS as well.
All that said, please promote to more friends, yesterday was a smaller event, justifiably so, because it was Easter (in half the world), but there's decent winnings to be had next week and as always great games to be played.
Kindly noted Lowman, glad you are not utterly vacating this forum.
May I ask, what is the status of the community vote regarding un-bannings? It seems there was going to be a vote, but then the cards like Demonic Tutor and Oath of Druids and so on just got magically un-banned?
Is there any chance that after 2 months or so, we can express our views as to whether the cards need to be re-banned? I for one am not happy that Oath of Druids is in our format.
However, be that as it may, the format is still great and the un-bannings cannot take that away. Thanks.
We'll vote again in 6 months, not trying to be draconian, but I also think it's right to give new cards time to either shine or utterly fail to provide any sense of fairness. Oath specifically was one of the cards that I personally was the most excited about getting in the CSM and the one that I thought objectively would provide the biggest shake up to the format. My own agenda with oath was two fold: 1. Oath in many ways acts as a moat that can also just win you the game, which means it's devilishly good against fast creature based aggressive decks and generally very good versus midrange as well; however, where it falls short is generally in both the control mirror and versus the most aggressive (combo style) RDW archetypes. We unbanned Loam and it actually had very little impact in the meta due to the general speed of decks that folks have chosen to bring (WW is still a very large part of the meta). Oath compliments this natural strategy which offers a deck archetype that is predatory versus a large part of the meta at the cost of being poor in the mirror or against hyper aggressive RDW decks, the latter of which I personally would like to see be more successful in the CSM. So in an effort to strengthen RDW, cap the aggressive power of WW, and support an archetype (loam) that hadn't done as well as I'd hoped, I thought that Oath of Druids was a great add to the format. At least from my position, format's with the deepest strategic variety are always the
best because it generates many games inside of games.
The rest of the cards (excepting birthing pod) were demonic tutor, entomb, wheel of fortune, and yawgmoth's will were all a nod to the sick man of the format: combo. Most combo decks currently played in the format are either mid-range creature based combo decks (where the combo compliments a generally good natural strategy) or combo-control (where winning with the combo is an after-thought and doesn't need to be rapidly pursued due to a high volume of interaction). These unbans allow reanimator (a strategy that only won twice in last season) to get a bit more on the map and for storm or other uninteracitve combo decks (aggro-combo [even if they're not damaging you with cantrips, they're damaging you]) to become stronger. These style of decks tend to generate love or hate by MTG pilots (much like PWs). But, for me at least, it's about setting a place at the table for everyone...if someone wants to play aggro, then I want it to be good, if someone wants to play storm, then I want that to be good too. And frankly, despite the fear and loathing that some folks have for hard combo decks, the pilot has opted to walk on a very narrow tight rope, given it may be a short rope, but one slight wind can generally knock them off...T1 duress go...oh runed halo in from the SB sorry about your scapeshift bro!
Birthing Pod although previously banned, I really thought had to get back in. Value-based midrange strategies have been dead for a while, right now most of our midrange decks play out more like aggro-control decks either literally in the case of Jeskai, or figuratively in the case of 4 Color Blood. So, I think Birthing Pod opens up options for ETB based midrange decks to shine which they really should because they're generally cool decks and of course Sensei loves them.
Just some thoughts and hope they make sense or help inform my intentions for the format...is it changing yeah, are there going to be cards we personally hate in the format yeah, but what format can't that be said about and heck there's even cards in 100C that I don't care for the gameplay of...but under the premise of inclusivity and increased viability they're all sacrifices I'm willing to make to increase the overall volume of fun that all folks who play can have.
You erased the short post with the unbanned cards, that I should take from the list in starting post! I took off Birthing Pod, ENtomb, Demonic Tutor, Oath of Druids, Wheel of Fortune, Yawgmoth's Will. Tell me, if there is one missing.
Well, lowman's fire was hot but short. He resigned as host. I will host next Saturday(s), unless somebody else from our community volunteers to do the job in the future. I was very surprised because I didn't expect that from him, at least not after half a year. Especially after he iniated a huge change in the ban list and shaped the format in a way he liked. So, there could be changes again, if you want to propose ideas here, please do not hesitate. At least, we all got experience about a 'modern' ban list for S100( literally, not the format in MTGO) in opposite of sticking close to the last official one, as we did before. Any resumes?(I can't type the French / on top of the e in resume Any comments?
We had a discussion, yesterday, if matches should/can be negotiated. My opinion is:
We usually have only 3 rounds, and sometimes 4. There is practically no way to play the format with 'strangers' in MTGO.
So, I think we actually should 'play' all matches, and don't 'negotiate' them. Your comments and votes(!) are appreciated.
We are using the old structure of the event again:
10(11)tix pool = 4/6 split between undefeated/lost once( +1 from former
door prize for winner = 5 tix)
If 2 undefeated, 6/4 split and +1 extra tic, so that the winner always get 5 tix (3 from 6, +1 (door)+1 extra). Loser of
finals get 3 tix.
The format is healthy right now; it doesn't require change in my opinion, or rather any changes would be unnecessary unless the community wanted to include more cards in the format from the current ban list.
The cards that would be safe to unban, but aren't necessary to increase the overall viability of different deck archetypes include:
I think the rest of the cards can stay on the banlist, and their inclusion would lead to imbalance. The above cards would be fine, but I don't think they make any given archetype more viable, but solely reinforce existing archetypes--which doesn't really strike me as something that needs to be done, unless the community really wants to play with the above cards.
In regards to taking cards away, I don't see any that are so oppressive that they cannot be beaten or lead to a widely unbalanced metagame, and certainly no one deck has shown itself to be dominant over the wide meta (sure UW/b miracles did pretty well when all the decks were WW lists, but that's indicative of an inbreed metagame and not per se the power of that deck versus a wide sampling of different available decks in the format). Over this half season, we've seen a vast increase in diversity of top winning decks from all varieties of different archetypes, which was, in my opinion, a welcome change from the clearly dominant deck, 4 Color Blood/Midrange, in season 3.
My recommendation, don't change a thing; the format is great. Referencing back to the historical precedence of the WoTC banlist is a stale arguement as the game has evolved way too much since that was even a maintained product--this format is ours now--we own it, so I could really care less personally what WoTC thought about half a decade ago--it's just not relevant.
I recommend, we set up a google poll, if you want to take away or add cards to the format and give folks 2 weeks to vote. If you want me to do this then let me know and I can put the cards up that the community either wants to vote on for inclusion or look to bar from the format and send you the link to post in here and I'll put it up on the 100c discord.
I'll do what I can to reinforce the prize pool with personal pool and as always I don't really care to take winnings from the tournament, but rather just enjoy the opportunity to play a format as diverse and enjoyable as 100 card.
Well, I did not know that, I'm sorry, so you are obviously the exception from the rule.
Let me get some things straight,too:
We did not start this event to make money, LeilaPari and me.
It was the love for the format and even when the official filter still existed in MTGO, most players didn't know or play it online, although there was a huge paper magic scene, at least in Germany. So we wanted to make it more known and wide-spread and have the chance to play our favourite format in a tournament. However, that was then. Things change, and now, I'm actually very thankful for the tix, because I had lost all my belongings.
When you are a group of people, that can help a lot. My 'carreer' started as one of several hosts for Heirloom, usally as replacement. Not really responsible, or the aim for criticism of the format and/or the event itself.
Hosting an event alone is very exhausting over the course of time. EVERY Saturday for years... If the host take his responsibilties seriously, it is also very time consuming outside the event.
It is also a difference, if you only host sometimes, or if you are responsible for the whole format and are the 'series organizer' or even the 'format organizer' in Gatherling.
I can only estimate, but if I take all the time I spent for this event( not including playing time!), the result emails, the postings in forum, discussion in chats, organizing special events and votings, searching for tix that players did not receive, ect pp, I guess, I got about 0.5-1 tic per hour 'payment'.
Nobody with a healthy mind would do this 'for the money'.
But, it is an appreciation of the host's work and an appeal to take the job seriously. Also a compensation for the rare, but very unpleasant confrontations with players, when you have to really act as host. When you have to ban a player for cheating. Or when you are accused of such absurd things by a player, that you even don't know what he means or how to defend yourself. Or when a player doesn't stop to use racist and facist comments to provoke his opponents and others.
So, it was also a release for me, when lowman pushed forward to become host. I was very confident, that he will have what it takes to be my successor, and I enjoyed my freedom, again. In October, only a few months, we will have the 4th anniversary of this event. And while I was only series organizer and sometimes a replacement host, for the 1st year, I have been hosting the rest of the time, excluding the last 7 months. I asked 2-3 weeks ago, if anybody wanted to become the new host, but nobody volunteered. Beside the fact, that nobody volunteered, my first and natural choices, which score 100 points in every category, are all 'hindered by life', Sensei, Sea, etc.
There are just a few players left in the community, which I know long enough, and which I think they could do it.
Michelle Wong and Golden Lin both need alarm clocks to attend the events, due the local time difference, and sometimes they are just too tired and don't want to stand up, which of course doesn't work as host. Socanelas still struggles with the English language, while beside other Brazilians nobody speaks Portuguese, etc pp. There are many things to be considered. Maybe, one from the newer players could take over in the future.
Brother, if you're going to do something that some folks may not like, then just do it and own it--please don't pardon yourself or appeal to the community in a sense of the travails you have to undergo in both your life and as host of the CSM and how these lend righteousness to your actions--the community isn't your sounding board; they're your friends and, in regards to the format, your responsibility. If you think that taking a portion of the prize pool equal to the what the victor receives each week in the tourney, due to the resources you have to put in, adheres to a sense of equity and fairness then so be it. However, no one wants to listen to groveling, me least of all because I know it for what it is, which is self-blind and unadulterated hypocrisy.
You say that you did not start this format to make money, and I believe you, but you sure did sell it for money to me for well over 100USD late last year. I've loaned tuned vintage decks to you at well over 400tix in value, so you could grind Gatherling tournaments to support your hobby during times of financial duress. When you had to sell your MTGO collection last year, I accepted your MTGO tickets in exchange for money over paypal to help you avoid unfavorable exchange rates. When you wanted to start playing 100c again, I gave you 30 tickets on MTGO to build a new deck up; with that deck you've won a few tournaments and I've provided you with special prizing of chase cards to help you continue your hobby in this great format. I did this for all folks because I love this format, and I like to help all of those that enjoy playing it, especially if it is challenging for them financially to compete in it.
That all said, I've paid it forward to you man, I've helped you out a lot of times even if you woke me up at 0100 in the morning to trade you a vintage deck for the next day, and what I'm going to ask you here is important to me: do not take a cut of the sponsored prize pool, leave this to the community. If it helps to think of yourself as the host and me as the producer then do so, I did technically buy the tournament from you (although I did this to help you out financially as much as I did because I wanted to be host). I'm at a point in my life where I have enough going on that I can't make it out every week, just won't happen, so I needed to hand the reins back off, but I would appreciate if you kept on in spirit of the changes that were made during the time I hosted as I think a lot of them did good things for the format and the whole of its player base.
PS-if you need help setting up polls, sending the results emails (I can cut and paste this in 5 mins or less) or bouncing racists/bigots/miscreants from the event than let me know, think the last miscreant (banned person) was in 2016 (ScionofJustice...go figure right) and was the only individual banned since the event was setup on gatherling (at least that's what the format editor's history has in it) [and this last one I'm serious on, I'm something of an anti-bully, and if I was honest with myself get kicks out of mentally crushing idiots who indiscriminately spurn others without provocation...maybe that's why I do what I do, who knows]
I like the idea of the host receiving part of the prize pool. As ML said above: "I got about 0.5-1 tic per hour 'payment'. Nobody with a healthy mind would do this 'for the money'." Those words make a lot of sense to me. It is a small token of recognition to the host that we are grateful as a community that someone is willing to host the event, week in and week out. Also, this small token of appreciation might help increase the chances that this event stays alive.
I'd like a vote soon - so that we can play with Umezawa's Jitte (sorry WW and RDW players, you will simply need to adapt and put in more main deck answers). Seeing that we have Mystical Tutor and Demonic Tutor and Oath of Druids all legal for heaven's sake, Jitte should also have a chance to shine!
However, no one wants to listen to groveling, me least of all because I know it for what it is, which is self-blind and unadulterated hypocrisy.
Sorry, man, I think, it's important to explain things to be understood, I have been doing this since the start! There are 44 pages in this forum to prove this.
You call me 'Brother', but you are obviously not even my friend, that's what I call hypocrisy!
A friend would have at least answered to my mails. Nobody believes that you didn't check your privat email account for 2 weeks, at least, I don't, especially as you responded to my mails before you became host.
This is the 2nd time, that you are threatening the existence of this event.
The first time you organized and announced a boycott of the event and now you left the host position from one day to another, and while I try to keep the event alive, you accusing me and demand from me to donate my tix, as you did, while you hosted.
This is only to provoke a turmoil. You just gave all your credits from Mtgocardmarket to Bandit Keith, that's ok, you can do with them what you want, but I spent my tix the way I want, too. If you would care for the event or the community, you could have sponsored a special event or just distributed 5 extra tix to the pool for the next months. Instead you use the opportunity to attack me and start your next fight.
You are definitely an MTG expert! You have played all formats, you own every card or can buy it, without reconsidering. But your knowledge about the PRE-scene or experience as host and format organizer are rather limited. Your idea that the unbanning of cards will lead to a change in decks or even colors used by the majority of players, would assume that everybody has the cards and/or money to create a new competitive deck, which most just can't! They play PRE, because it's free.
There are other reasons, too. It is nice to play formats, that are not supported elsewhere, but if we would charge the same entrance fee as WotC for a tournament, you would be very likely the only one, who still wants to play.
Now, I want to correct some of your statements, which were plain wrong:
1. When you wanted to start playing 100c again, I gave you 30 tickets on MTGO to build a new deck up
I never wanted to start playing 100c again!! I was done, I had sold my entire collection, which took me 6 years to gather. I was demoralized and weared down by the the untenable and absurd accusations from STsung, and was rather happy to turn my back to some obviously disturbed personalities. Her incomprehensible abnormous hate for me, was absolutely shocking.
She even tried to agitate other host collagues on me, unfortunately for her, they have known me for years, and she was so in rage and absurd, also, it was reported to me. She claimed, that you and other people hate me,too and I didn't want to believe and even defended you with 'STsung is a friend of lowman, but he is also a friend of mine'. Which I still thought at that time because of the financial contributions from you. Poor people tend to forget that money is for rich people just a means to an end. I still have the email traffic and can publish it here.
So, what really happened is, that after I told you, that I had to sell my MTGO collection, because I need a new PC after 7 years, you offered to give me that 30 tix voucher, to build a new deck and being able to attend the event. I never asked for that or did expect it. I thought it was a genereous gift. In retrospective it was a clever move from you to be not seen as 'King's murderer', when starting as new host. It also provided you with a back up host, when you didn't want to host.
There is nothing wrong in using replacement hosts, but the custom in all PRE, is to ask or at least inform the replacement host BEFORE the event takes place. I hosted about 8-10 events in the last 7 months without any forwarning.
2. even if you woke me up at 0100 in the morning to trade
I never woke you ap at 1am! How should I have done this !?! I have an email adress from you, and I can enter a MTGO chat.
3.if you need help setting up polls, sending the results emails (I can cut and paste this in 5 mins or less)
Well, maybe you can do that, but you didn't as host. Oscar( our sponsor) was glad, when he heard, that from now on, I will host again, because you often didn't report anything for several weeks.
And I spent usally about 30 min for the result emails, because he is no abstract company, but a human being, and without him, this event would have not been running. I keep him up with informations about the event, players or format.
4. or bouncing racists/bigots/miscreants from the event than let me know
Now it's getting funny! You want to help me bouncing STsung, the sick dog you set on me ?!?
There is no defense against irrationalism, anyway, beside explaining, but often it fails. I spent a lot of time with ChaosBlackDoom to play and improve his decks, then in an event a card from his was bugged, and he demanded to be declared as winner( although a victory was not sure or immediately, even if the card worked correctly, if I remember that right), however after I explained him, that a bug is force majeure and no host would declare him as winner, he used the last 12-15 min to blame and insult me and his opponent, instead of keep playing.
5. think the last miscreant (banned person) was in 2016
No, it was Yokai in 2017.
There are other points, that I would like to comment, but it's 4.30 am and I spent already 5hours to write this post.
I do not hate you, and I promise I've never sicced another person on you; the drama is something I have no interest in; and yeah I'm a decently sharp fellow, but I never committed resources to help you in some deep seated, maniacal way to make you beholden to me, that's a bit out there...I did it because you are my friend, even if you piss me off regularly, I tell my friends the truth as I believe it whether they like it or not, especially when I think it's a truth that benefits the community. This is very simple: On principle I disagree with the host taking a 1/3 of the prize pool each week, this isn't about you personally, it's how I see the world and what I value. You are free to do whatever you like with it, but I'm not the sort of fellow to sit by if I think something is wrong; I speak my mind especially when I feel someone is taking something away from other people. You can take that or leave it, doesn't matter, it's an opinion piece.
I give my credits to other players because it helps them build better decks, further explore the format, and enjoy the hobby of magic...it has nothing to do with causing an insurrection. Bandit K is a good dude, he has a limited collection, he loves the format; I wanted to help him out...I've done this for many people including you.
As for the insurrection, what do I have to gain by opposing your policy, I personally don't take prizes and haven't historically, what would I gain by "attacking" you, qui bono, unless as I say I just don't think what you are doing is right.
My credibility as a host has no bearing on what I believe to be right morally, nor should what I believe to be right morally compel you to change your actions. However, I think there's enough folks that may disagree with you on this point, and I feel that they should have the truth. Nowhere in the forum does it say that the host get's 1/3 of the sponsored pool, I had no clue that was even the case until I took over the event after paying you for the right to do so...if that was a means to an ends, then I suppose it was to provide more value (eV) to the players of the format, and shake up a stale meta game that was clearly dominated by one deck. Money is a means to all people, if the ends of that are to provide more to all people that sounds like the decent thing to do. I am no saint, but I care about this format and the players of it, I wouldn't waste my time debating it with you otherwise.
That private email, is one I used pretty exclusively for gaming, with the advent of discord it's fallen into disuse, I have several private and professional emails. I'll try to do better checking them, but in no way did I deliberately ignore you.
Just to make one thing straight. Lowman didn't sent me here against you nor did anybody else. I have my values, same as everyone else in the world. They are different from yours. What I said to Kumagoro is what it was and I did that only to inform him because I was asked to do that by someone else (who well is also a host). They had the right to know the same way Kumagoro or who it was told you. I was in rage and no matter what you or others think of me because of that I had the right to do so. There should be transparency and trust and especially a person in the position of leadership should take responsibility for their actions. Not just cover everything in sweet lies or something that people want to hear. I was angry because I care. I wish 100cs and the series you host continues to exists and more people come here. You can do better. I know you can. You don't really try though. The community here is also here to help you. Sometimes you can just ask.
He (Kumagoro?) may have just claimed that I have a personal grudge against you which can be considered as hate but I do not hate people unless they are trying to hurt others. As for personal grudge, I just don't know what to expect from a person who can say one thing but do another one. You are nowhere near being a bad person but you have a different moral and everything shows in what you type and what information you keep to yourself and how your actions do not stand up to what you type. This is unfortunately something that only those attentive will see and you obviously do a very good job at being the 'good kind person to everyone while pursuing personal gain in some way'. Those are things that I can't stand and I have my reasons why. As an Asian person in a world of whiteness where discrimination and oppression is what happens in everyday life I've simply had enough. I don't expect you to understand because honestly many people do not understand that. What you can understand though is that I do not agree with what you do and how you try to put things straight because your words and actions do not correlate. I believe in honesty and truth (and pride) and it seems the society doesn't operate on these values. You have your problems as any other person in the world and that can lead to what you do, but what I expect of people is usually that they try to do their best. If you get tix from lowman for free, he probably won't expect you to thank him or be grateful for it. We do this of our own free will and it's up to you do use them. On the other hand I feel that with what we receive we should strive to reach a goal that can help our situation or help someone else in need if we reached our goal already.
I help people when I can and I treat people equally well unless they give me a reason not to treat them that way. When there are rules that get broken I'm not happy and can't understand why people want to do that all the time. A person who lies, steals or cheats is a person that doesn't get my trust even though I know that is practically what happens everyday in this society (I don't mean you, it is an example).
Lowman also gave me cards and offered to help me get out of my mess which was actually a huge financial debt. I couldn't accept it because I think that I don't do enough to actually get out of the whole mess. It's a difficult fight for me in the society that hates me and systemically oppresses me. Even if people just get the wrong idea. Do you remember when I came here in the beginning? I was accused of having money and being able to buy whatever I want. At that time I couldn't. I didn't have money to eat nor pay the rent. I played a lot of Magic, earned a lot of tix which helped me pay those two things while I could still keep a large collection. Being looked down because I have 'money' which I didn't have at the time felt very bad. I worked hard to get those cards. I loan and give cards to others so they could reach their own goals be it just testing for the PT, being able to buy a deck on MODO or just be able to play. Many try to just use me and this is something I do not like and I consider that as a bad thing even though it may not be seen as such by other people. I expect a good moral, introspection and motivation (to become a better person) from people and unfortunately there are very little people who actually have it.
If I hurt your feelings before I apologize for that because I wasn't trying to do that and I didn't even expect that to happen which is my oversight. I'm truly sorry about that because I personally do not have anything against you as a person. You just drive me crazy, don't take it personally, please.
I support ML Berlin's right to earn pennies for hosting s100 tournaments.
We are talking about pennies here everyone, pennies! It's like buying a friend a slice of pizza or a glass of beer for heaven's sake.
Yet ironically these little trinkets might actually help keep the s100 format alive. There is no need for moral outrage here. We all knew what the prize structure was on page 1 of this forum (in terms of player prizes). Oscar from MTGOCardMarket was aware of the prize structure for the host. It's Oscar's prize support money, and he's fine with it, so we should be too.
Also, to those who wish to oppose the host's prize, I say to you: Careful what you wish for. You do not know what harm will come of your opposition. Most PREs without a host prize support have fallen by the wayside.
From: Gianluca Aicardi
>> To: Michael Loth
>> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 10:35 PM
>> Subject: stsung
>> Man, do you know stsung is out to get you? She kept me half an hour
>> talking about how bad a person you are, and basically told me in not
>> so many words she won't come to play in my events anymore (which she
>> doesn't much anyway) as long as I keep not sharing her opinions of you
>> (which I don't have any reason to).
>> The crux of it was something something timing out people grinding
>> events (whatever that means) posing as a good boy when you're actually
>> My subtext is that she's pissed she timed out and lost to you, because
>> deep down she thinks when she bothers to come to a PRE, she should
>> just 1st place it. But maybe you actually did something to her and/or
>> her friends (which, she says, all hate you).
>> Anyway, bottom line, I'd like for this kind of grudges not to add to
>> my burden as a host, I don't need drama on top of everything, so talk
>> to her, apologize to her, don't apologize to her, just try to get to
>> an understanding so that I don't get involved in something that, to
>> what I could understand, has nothing to do with my role as a host.
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Michael Loth wrote:
>> Very interesting!
>> You were absolutely right about your guess. She lost to time( in 2nd game)
>> while I had 10 sec left on the clock, however she had lost the first game
>> already, and had no chance to win , only by timing me out. I see no reason
>> why I should let her win this way. I just F6ed as much as possible.
>> The other part is, that she wanted to change the ban list in S100, and
>> long posts about why, and I did not follow and agree with her arguements.
>> When she posted another snippy remark, Sensei answered( not me!) as snippy
>> as she did, since then she was totally pissed off, I think, because she
>> remained silent in forum.
>> The only friend she has is lowman02, who definitely doesn't hate me. He is
>> my friend, too. But he also wanted to change the banlist, and proposed a
>> council of 7 players who should decide about bannings, and she was one of
>> the proposed persons.
>> Unfortunately, I was against an unelected 'council' instead of our
>> democratic community vote, which we used since WotC abandoned the official
>> ban list. Which obviously did not help to raise her opinion about me:-)
>> However, I not only never wrote any insult, I also treated her with
>> from my side I had no problem with her.
>> In fact, I had no idea that she hates me! I just did not agree with her
>> So, I see no reason to apologize, I actually don't know for what!
>> However, I see the things the same way as you, it's not worth to let this
>> ruin your mood or mine.
>> I resigned being host in S100 anyway, so she may take it easier in the
>> If she doesn't stop, just tell her you don't care, but of course, she
>> probably will tell others what bad person you are:-)
>> I don't think it would help if I talk with her, she may think of you as
>> traitor, because I can't talk about that hate of her without releasing our
>> comunication, since she never expressed that before in public or to me.
>> Oh now, I remember an 'incident' ! When she posted the first times in our
>> forum, she had a blurred photo from a webcam, additionaly she is Asian and
>> on my 10 year old 19 inch monitor, I thought she was male.
>> When after a week or so I was informed about my mistake by another player,
>> of course, I apologized in the forum!
> From: Gianluca Aicardi
> To: Michael Loth
> Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: stsung
> Well, she knew I would talk with you about this, it's what she wanted
> me to do, ultimately. Like, to admonish you or something.
> But maybe it's better to let it blow off. She was just coming from
> losing the match at the time, it's always the moment players are the
> most litigious.
> By the way, it was game 3. I was in the match, she won game 2 with
> Batterskull, remember? Somebody made a joke about skulls being
> battered. And I remember thinking, "Man, is it still not the last
> game?" And also that she had a low clock at that point and had to
> speed up if she wanted to win the match.
On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Michael Loth <[email protected]> wrote:
> That is even more weird. No real clue, why she hates me so much. Beside the
> incident I mentioned, which was already 6-8 months ago. Maybe she was a
> friend of Yokai, too, and did not like that I banned him in S100 after he
> cheated in Michelle's one-time gauntlet event. But, we even chatted
> sporadically, and she never spoke a word about that, or that I'm a 'bad
> person' or why. Obviously she was too cowardly to tell me that personally.
> But, I'm even more glad that I resigned now, and don't have to bother about
> such crazy behaviour anymore.
> Btw, I will still play in S100, and she did play there, too, yesterday. So,
> when she could endure that, I see no reason why she should not play in
> Tribal, when I'm registered, also:-)
> I actually did not remember that it was already the 3rd game, but it sounds
> logic when I had only 10 sec. left myself on the clock, and the Batterskull
> with Stoneforge rings a bell, now
> Oh and now I have an idea about what she meant by 'timing out' ! She
> probably expected me to concede the 2nd game immediately, after she brought
> in Batterskull so early, while I kept fighting, and she needed additionally
> 6-8 minutes to win that game. While I usually understand by this term:
> Activiting abilities( mostly without real effects, only so that the other
> player has to cklick ok and lose some seconds), which I didn't. I have not
> many cards in that deck, that could do that, anyway.
> However, now, I'm somehow very tempted to do so in future matches with
From: Gianluca Aicardi
To: Michael Loth
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: stsung
Yeah, apparently, she sent a mex to AJ about the timing out, and he
told her about the new rule from my article from a couple weeks ago.
But he got it wrong, actually, and later admitted he misconstrued what
I was saying in the article. To make it short, nobody is ever asked to
concede when they think they could still win! (I'll explain it better
in the next article). "Absolute certainty" is the key. And the rule
sure can't be used by a player to say, "You have to let me win" (which
is harassing, if anything). Only the host can ask a player to consider
if they shouldn't concede, and even the host can't DEMAND that player
to concede, because only that player knows what he or she is holding
in hand or has left in the deck. And timing out *is* a legitimate way
to lose, therefore a legitimate way to win, as clock is a resource on
MTGO, and it must be managed appropriately. If your lagging, that's
unfortunate, but mana screw is also unfortunate, and mana flood, and
never drawing the card you need, and disconnecting and failing to come
back. In none of these situations, your opponent will concede to you
because you're having bad luck.
The rule is not meant to the advantage of either player in the game;
it's meant to the advantage of all the players who are NOT in that
game, and maybe waiting for that game to end. Somebody starts a
click-intensive combo on game 3 and you know you have no way to stop
it? That's when you should concede, not to keep everyone waiting.
My last reply:
And now the funny part:
I usually read your articles, which means about 3 out of 4 times, but I didn't read that one!
So, I totally was not aware of any rule change, no matter if misinterpreted by AJ or not.
And indeed, I tend to let 'instant win combo' players do every click, just out of protesting vs this deck types, and showing how boring they are in my opinion. And definitely always in the 1st game when it's still about time on the clock.
However, that was all not the case in this match!
And now the funny part II:
If she had not wrote false messages to AJ about me trying to timing her out, she could have won! As I said I had 10 sec. left over, I bet she spent more time with writing to AJ in the 2nd game than that!
And now I get an idea of what happened that infuriated her maybe even more! She was obviously so biased negatively about me already before, that she full of hate misinterpreted my smilies in the game chat. I usually don't like to chat in matches anyway, because it distracts me, and just takes time, because I'm a slow typer and non-native English speaker. So, often, I answer with smilies. Usually player try to be funny anyway, or make remarks like:' OMG, the shuffler hates me' , ' You are only a top deck player' ,' I hate the shuffler' , etc
She wrote only 2 messages in game chat, that I remember now clearly, because they were a bit odd: "I wish you would give me the chance to win" , which I think was after I brought in my own Batterskull. I could not really understand what she meant, why should I let her win !?
However, in the middle of a battle I have no time for philosophical questions, so I sent a smiley back.
And a few minutes later she wrote: " I hate my client !"
And I thought, yeah, sure, and sent another smiley. I don't waste time for that, but try to be polite.
But instead of a friendly smiley she probably saw a diabolic grin every time and thought I would additionally taunt her.
But on the other hand, what could you answer to that remarks, anyway?
However, if she had not typed those, for me cryptic, messages she would have saved probably again enough seconds to win.
Nowhere in the forum does it say that the host get's 1/3 of the sponsored pool
Again it proves only that you don't know the PRE scene. Please show me the other websites and forums that say how much the host gets...!
Beside stash and his colleagues, all hosts get paid.
5 tix is the lowest, some get 7.5 or 10 tix.
The reason why Heirloom still exists, is this payment for the host. When V4 was introduced , it was to terrible and completely unstable, that we had to cancel several events, because MTGO server was down or let all matches crash. All other hosts quitted MTGO and suddenly, I was the only remaining player with host ability. Heirloom, was never one of my favourite formats, I mostly played there to earn some tix to buy me the cards for Tribal and later S100.
Now, 4-5 years later, it still runs. I wanted to assure that Chainsaw Massacre will still exist in the future, that's why I changed the prize structure to the old and wide-spread system in the PRE scene. I invented this event and still felt responsible. When a new hosts thinks he would like to donate his tix, he can, but he shouldn't feel obliged to do. However, you both, lowman and sstsung, just showed that 5 tix for an event is actually much too low, compared to the stress, lies and hypocrisis a host must face sometimes. I think you only lowered the chances to find a successor. I did not expect that you will quit, lowman, but when you did, I planned to do it until we have a new host.
Please, if anybody wants to host, let me know, so I can put him in Gatherling, I won't anymore.
He (Kumagoro?) may have just claimed that I have a personal grudge against you which can be considered as hate but I do not hate people
Well, at least you told him that you and your friends hate me.
As an Asian person in a world of whiteness where discrimination and oppression is what happens in everyday life I've simply had enough.
Such a bull*****!
I have lived several years in Asia, and I like the people there more than my fellow Germans.