On December 7th a new Masters product will be released. The Masters sets brought some nice goodies to the pauper card pool. Let's hope this set will also deliver. At the moment there are 41/254 cards known, but none of the commons yet.
What are your hopes and wishes for this set? Any specific cards (realistic or unrealistic) you would like to see? (I personally would love to see Fatal Push downshifted. Black needs more love in pauper!)
This post will be updated with the potentially interesting downshifts for pauper as soon as they are spoiled.
TO BE CONTINUED...
112/254 cards known. UMA seems to become the most influential Masters set for Pauper. Hype is real! It's time to start listing potential new pauper inclusions.
Full set spoiled. From what I've seen there were no more pauper goodies.
Tethmos High Priest has potential as late game value engine for the W heroic deck Ressurection might be the beginning of a WB reanimator deck. Personally, I was hoping for a downshift of Zombify to push BR reanimator
Foil is already called paupers Force of Will. I think it's going to be more of a sideboard card against decks with few keyspells that MUST be countered. The card disadvantage of 1-for-3ing yourself is a real downside
nothing :-(
Reckless Wurm could help the madness deck by giving it another cost effective thread
nothing :-(
Fire/Ice This card is a huge addition to the pauper format. I forsee this card seeing a lot of main deck play in izzet color decks due to its incredible flexibility. The question is probably more how many copies of it are played maindeck. Dimir Guildmage is a bit fragile, but has huge potential in a tron shell to draw cards ad absurdum or to shred opponents hands apart
So it seems to me the main driver of what will be downshifted to common is what the limited archetypes are, since that'll determine what bread-and-butter cards they need at common. We don't really know anything about that yet (the Mythics are just random good stuff, and heavily color imbalanced too), so it's hard to predict anything.
There are lots of cards I'd like to see downshifted. Here's a few:
So it seems to me the main driver of what will be downshifted to common is what the limited archetypes are, since that'll determine what bread-and-butter cards they need at common. We don't really know anything about that yet (the Mythics are just random good stuff, and heavily color imbalanced too), so it's hard to predict anything.
There are lots of cards I'd like to see downshifted. Here's a few:
I would love to see better color fixing lands in pauper! Maybe Gemstone mine or the creature only lands might see a common print, the two cities probably not :-(
There are some nice gems in your list. Would be great if some of them saw print.
I completely mistyped on that post, sorry. I meant the Izzet Blitz deck. Blame wanting to make one last post before bedtime. In Izzet Delver it's really scary.
So foil got down shifted. It's not force of will, but it should open up control to more tap out style threats. Pauper is more forgiving than legacy for tapping out, but this is still relatively.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Check out my Sales 50% OFF everything for the next 48 hours.
Slum Reaper - Edict effects are incredibly powerful in pauper. An edict effect on a competitively costed 4/2 flying body is even better. Especially in Dimir Momentary Blink decks.
Slum reaper doesn't have flying and you still have to sacrifice a creature so unless you blink in response to its etb you will be 2-for-1-ing yourself.
Miming slime seems fun but not good enough. I think its at its best along side giant growth or llanowar augur. It just takes too much work to make it above par on turn 3 and it's so easy for it to be bad to dead.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Check out my Sales 50% OFF everything for the next 48 hours.
Quick question, do these become legal on December 7th the day of release? (on MTGO)
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Playing since 1994: Currently MAGS (HomeBrew),Standard & Pauper (Pioneer and Modern are degenerate trash formats)
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Even it only ends up a 1-2 of in Delver, I feel like it's going to make "big spells" and strategies hinging on a single key-build around weaker, which is a bummer since I like those kinds of decks. Now blue decks have the ability to counter a Turn 1 Tortured Existence, even on the draw.
Like for example, last Sunday I was in a tournament playing Corrupt Control against UR Delver, and won. But winning hinged on them running out of hard counters so I could resolve key "haymaker" spells like Pestilence, Evincar's Justice, or a huge Corrupt to keep me alive. A free hard counter will make that much tougher.
I might have to switch to this Mono-Red control as my default "good against Izzet Delver rogue deck." Foil pushes the format towards decks where all the cards are redundant copies of the same effect, like that deck that's basically all 2-for-1 burn spells.
Playing since 1994: Currently MAGS (HomeBrew),Standard & Pauper (Pioneer and Modern are degenerate trash formats)
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
What are your hopes and wishes for this set? Any specific cards (realistic or unrealistic) you would like to see? (I personally would love to see Fatal Push downshifted. Black needs more love in pauper!)
This post will be updated with the potentially interesting downshifts for pauper as soon as they are spoiled.
TO BE CONTINUED...
112/254 cards known. UMA seems to become the most influential Masters set for Pauper. Hype is real! It's time to start listing potential new pauper inclusions.
Full set spoiled. From what I've seen there were no more pauper goodies.
Ressurection might be the beginning of a WB reanimator deck. Personally, I was hoping for a downshift of Zombify to push BR reanimator
Dimir Guildmage is a bit fragile, but has huge potential in a tron shell to draw cards ad absurdum or to shred opponents hands apart
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309
There are lots of cards I'd like to see downshifted. Here's a few:
New and Relatively Simple Build-Arounds:
Ajani's Pridemate
Warped Devotion
Sixth Sense
Faith of the Devoted, Astral Slide, Ruthless Sniper, Vile Manifestation (Yes, I like cycling!)
Unclaimed Territory, a kazillion tribal lords and build-arounds (though this isn't the set for it)
Meta-Targetting Cards:
Hidden Gibbons
Spellshock
Dryad Militant
Slice and Dice
Skullcrack
Manabase for Aggro:
City of Brass
Mana Confluence
Ancient Ziggurat
Gemstone Mine
Planeshift lair lands (Rith's Grove)
"Please give us something relevant for Dragon tribal/Shadowborn Apostle":
Volcanic Dragon
Brimstone Dragon
Pestilence Demon
Tombstalker
Just Because I love the Card:
Price of Progress
Thieving Magpie
Corrupt Control B | Burn R | UG Turbofog UG | White Weenie W | GW Tethmos WG | BG Cycling Combo BG
Enchantress GBW | Colorless Tron C | Red Deck Wins R | UG Madness UG | Mono-G Tron G | UR Puzzlehorns UR
Rhystic Tron WU| WU Prowess WU | BR Reanimator BR | Mono-R Control R | Stompy G | Temur Tron URG
Mardu Infinite Priest WBR | 85-Card Dredge BRG | Elves GU | Boros Bully RW | Jeskai Familiars RWU
I would love to see better color fixing lands in pauper! Maybe Gemstone mine or the creature only lands might see a common print, the two cities probably not :-(
There are some nice gems in your list. Would be great if some of them saw print.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309
Edit #2: resurrection is down shifted. Not that important, but note worthy that white is getting a reanimation spell.
Resurrection
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309
Augur of Bolas, Counterspell, Spellstutter Sprite, Ninja of the Deep Hours might disagree with you...
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309
Slum Reaper - Edict effects are incredibly powerful in pauper. An edict effect on a competitively costed 4/2 flying body is even better. Especially in Dimir Momentary Blink decks.
Miming Slime - Could be interesting in decks that run a lot of big green bodies, but I haven't seen many that run bodies bigger than Arrogant Wurm/Hooting Mandrills.
Miming slime seems fun but not good enough. I think its at its best along side giant growth or llanowar augur. It just takes too much work to make it above par on turn 3 and it's so easy for it to be bad to dead.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
yes, AFAIK
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309
I wonder if Foil might be too crazy.
Even it only ends up a 1-2 of in Delver, I feel like it's going to make "big spells" and strategies hinging on a single key-build around weaker, which is a bummer since I like those kinds of decks. Now blue decks have the ability to counter a Turn 1 Tortured Existence, even on the draw.
Like for example, last Sunday I was in a tournament playing Corrupt Control against UR Delver, and won. But winning hinged on them running out of hard counters so I could resolve key "haymaker" spells like Pestilence, Evincar's Justice, or a huge Corrupt to keep me alive. A free hard counter will make that much tougher.
I might have to switch to this Mono-Red control as my default "good against Izzet Delver rogue deck." Foil pushes the format towards decks where all the cards are redundant copies of the same effect, like that deck that's basically all 2-for-1 burn spells.
Corrupt Control B | Burn R | UG Turbofog UG | White Weenie W | GW Tethmos WG | BG Cycling Combo BG
Enchantress GBW | Colorless Tron C | Red Deck Wins R | UG Madness UG | Mono-G Tron G | UR Puzzlehorns UR
Rhystic Tron WU| WU Prowess WU | BR Reanimator BR | Mono-R Control R | Stompy G | Temur Tron URG
Mardu Infinite Priest WBR | 85-Card Dredge BRG | Elves GU | Boros Bully RW | Jeskai Familiars RWU
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Probably not. Bad body and bad gy hate.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309
I can't see it being very good. Not saying it won't find a home anywhere, but I don't think it'll impact the format in any meaningful way.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/other-formats/mtgo-pauper/developing/647850-primer-angler-delver
Modern: Sultai Death's Shadow
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/773885-sultai-deaths-shadow-bug-aggro]
Legacy: Snake&Show
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?27217-Deck-Sneak-and-Show
Discuss my Cube @ MTGsalvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=207309