MTG Salvation

Well this Thread is for brewing with modern staples and decks soo they can fit into Pioneer.

To keep it simple, if you have a decklist send the link of the original deck list and then make alterations and comment on those. The decklists don't need to be of the atual modern meta but would be nice to have the context of the cards in the original list, soo if you found it in a thread, link it; if you found the deck in a tournament page, link it.


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For exemple:

Hardened Scales for pioneer:

https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/established-modern/aggro-tempo/794542-hardened-scales?page=2#c37
Hardened Scales by Soot(list form july 2018):
Blinkmoth Nexus, Arcbound Ravager, Arcbound Worker, Mox Opal, Throne of Geth, Welding Jar, Ancient Stirrings, Horizon Canopy, Inkmoth Nexus, Pendelhaven are all not legal in the format.
From the Thread people have been playing and discussing about: Ruins of Oran-Rief Karn, Scion of Urza, Simic Ascendancy, dromoka's command, Shapers' Sanctuary
Cards i would consider in the deck Once Upon a Time (good to find fixing if we have to go more than 1 primary color, with colorless lands in the deck), Syndicate Trafficker (without path to exile his ability to become indestructive is very relevant, even if you can't pass the counters around. With Animation Module you can put as much counters as you want on it making simic ascendancy a real theat if you are being blocked), Bioshift (well with flyers and walking ballista this can give us "reach"), Chamber Sentry (if we are moving into more colors then a walking balista wanna-be could be good)
people could go with Darksteel Citadel+Ensoul Artifact if the meta have trouble with indestructible. Few basic lands for Settle the Wreckage and Assassin's Trophy. It is possibible to go into W and use Shalai, Voice of Plenty and more Simic Ascendancy as a win con.

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Lets see if we can help solve the format

Are all these artifacts really that good when you can just play this: https://mtgdecks.net/Frontier/bg-counters-decklist-by-wrinkle22-664782

Quote from OptBoy »

Are all these artifacts really that good when you can just play this: https://mtgdecks.net/Frontier/bg-counters-decklist-by-wrinkle22-664782

Not Sure There Are Alot of Cards Entering the Format.

It is kinda logical to look at formats that the new cards got to be played and what decks existed/exists in those formats and try to adapt them and see if they hold up.

But just because a deck contains a lot of cards that are new to the format, doesn't mean it's always better. The Frontier BG Counters list can be updated too.

BTW: I brewed Robots yesterday: https://scryfall.com/@Nideon/decks/439f521f-8e80-47bd-b047-8ae02c597ee6

Well time to be THAT guy. Turbo fog [[Maze's End]] here I come.

Yeah, I'm tempted to update the Modern version of Hardened Scales for Pioneer, but Steel Overseer doesn't pump up Winding Constrictor so I'm looking more towards the best B/G creatures. I think Nissa plays a simliar roll as Overseer anyway as Overseer will only ever be a turn 3 pump spell, though Nissa's ability is worse because it's a -2. I may look at Vivien Arkbow Ranger or Drana, Liberator of Malakir instead. Overseer is better in Modern because you can sometimes cast him T1 with Mox Opal and pump T2. I still want to include Ballista and Hangarback, but there's just not enough artifacts to make the deck artifact-centric. I'm looking at Lotleth Troll, perhaps Varolz, and Tireless Trackers (for card draw) to start.

Quote from Kavle »

Well time to be THAT guy. Turbo fog [[Maze's End]] here I come.

Well, Mtg goldfish played at least a league with Maze's End deck but i think it would be hard to adapt.
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-maze-s-end-modern-magic-online

There is a list from standard using the Turbo Fog strategy here: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-maze-s-end-11548#paper

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/standard-maze-s-end-11548#paper
On their page there are some submited decks, and i found this one:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1584065#paper
It doesn't have the turbo fog element but has most of the gate relevant cards in it (soo it would be easy for people trying to find them). As Prison is not legal in pioneer and neither Trace of Abundance is we could just remove them for better cards.

Copy cat is a great deck that can be easily tuned a bit into Pioneer format. Saheeli is already rising its price.

Saheeli combo is almost good enough in modern, expect to see a lot of that. RtR gives enough toys that once a couple combo decks get banned, UW or Esper control should be viable. there isn't much, even just Zendikar and Innistrad blocks are a huge part of most decks in Modern. Dredge, Tron, Affinity, even Jund is carried by pre-RtR cards

It feels like with Eidolon, Swiftspear,Boros Charm, Burn may be okay, although it loses a LOT of toys

I've brewed Vannifar Pod but I think it's not quite there: https://scryfall.com/@Nideon/decks/7ad940e3-db76-4693-a050-119a33299340

UW Spirits seems like a decent deck in Pioneer.

It loses cards like:
Aether Vial, Path to Exile, Phantasmal Image, Drogskol Captain and Geist of Saint Traft.

I've replaced them with:
Spectral Sailor, Empyrean Eagle, Nebelgast Herald and Winged Words + Rally of Wings.

Here is my list:



Some more potential card choices:
# Favorable Winds - as an additional anthem.
# Smuggler's Copter - can slot in as a looter.
# Opt/Anticipate - instant speed cantrips potentially for the Winged Words slot.
# Unsummon/Unsubstantiate and Essence Flux - tempo plays and combat tricks.
# Spell Pierce and Quench - tempo countermagic.

I like this spirit deck. As I play them on Modern, I found it quiet interesting to play on Pioneer.

I've been testing spirits with a similar list finally. I was not playing Spectral Sailor, and instead I was playing Essence Flux.

Rally of Wings is just nuts. With a mausoleum, queller, rattlechain and eagle, did 20 damage. I tested it against a pioneer burn with blue only for dig through time and a modern affinity.

Against burn, starting with mausoleum and rattle is mostly a win. And against the modern affinity, if it doesn't start with an all in first turn, it can be winable. I really liked how this deck works.

Another card which should be pretty good in Spirits is Curious Obsession, might be worth playing over Winged Words as a more proactive card draw option.

Another deck idea that I have is a Temur Midrange deck with Dragons as top-end threats.

Here it is:


I'm not sure if the interaction here is enough as it isn't very at closing the game and doesn't disrupt as well as BG/x decks.

I wonder if Reality Shift or Thrash // Threat can work as legitimate removal spells in these colors (besides Roast).