I didn't see any other thread along these lines, and it's something I think is relevant. I play MTGO, but obviously prices are relevant for paper magic as well, only in that area I have no knowledge, so my own discussion will largely be online oriented.
A good resource for tracking MTGO prices if any of you didn't already know.
Right now, I want to talk about Obzedat, Ghost Council. DGM has seen a lot of new removal at instant speed, so the main draw of Obzedat has been diminished a little. Also, we see the introduction a slot competitor, Blood Baron of Vizkopa. The Baron gets protection from a lot of relevant colors. I believe that the future of Obzedat is bleak, and he will at least see decline in play. His price will drop correspondingly. How much, I am not so sure. What do you guys think?
It's not all about block, but the 3rd post down is about Obezdat.
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it's not a question of being "right" or "wrong" at this stage, without a decent amount of time and real events to show one way or another, we're all guessing. And at the end of the day, neither obzedat nor blood baron are strictly betters, which is better is entirely dependent on the meta.
Personally, I think obzedat is way better and am shocked at blood baron's price and apparent popularity. I could be wrong.
One of the problems with discussing mtgo card prices in the context of block, is that block is not nearly as popular as standard. Standard usually drives the prices of cards.
Though there are some exceptions like tree of redemption. It was worth over 2 tickets last year when no standard deck was playing it. And it was worth like 10 cents in paper.
I'm not sure why blood baron is worth 9 tickets. I did a quick glance at mtgo and paper standard decklists and see obzedats but no blood baron. Then I looked at starcity's site and it's worth $15. So this has to be the bot owners setting the price high to mirror paper prices and the casual kids eating that card up.
I think obzedat is still a very good card. I can see it going back up to 20 tix a year from now. DKA was deemed an underpowered set. And you can see falkenrath aristocrat and huntmaster get to 30 tickets. So I don't think it's unreasonable that obzedat can get back to 20. The redemption fee increase is an issue, but i'm not saying the card will hit 30 tickets, just 20.
I totally agree with rick there, and i also think that the redemption tax issue is overplayed. The thing which drives redemption is the arbitrage opportunity between online and paper sets, and right now that is still there. Complete GTC set is selling for $145 on ebay and, while this will no doubt die down, DGM is going for an insane $160+. At the end of the day, that price difference is going to be exploited (just to a somewhat lesser extent, overall) so sets will still get redeemed which will mean that mythics will spike in price especially post-rotation once these cards become bigger standard players and the sets are no longer being drafted.
It seems that this PT has bumped up the Blood Baron and Aetherling for a little bit at least, and Voice is recovering strong from a recent drop. I'm also surprised by how well Maze' End decks are doing.
I hate to keep posting in a misplaced thread - perhaps this could be merged with a more appropriately located block price discussion?
Well there's also the MOCS prelims going on. That's why some of the cards are going up, people can net deck the pro tour decks. If that wasn't going on, I'm not sure prices would go up that much.
I'm pretty sure blood baron and aetherling will go back down as they aren't used in popular decks in standard.
It'll be interesting to see if the guy who is 11-0 can win the PT with his deadbridge chant deck. That card will probably go up at least a ticket.
I'd like to see how these maze decks are constructed. Is their only win condition maze? My guess as to why they did so well was that they didn't face much aggro in the tournament. And control can't really interact with lands. I'm thinking not many people have pithing needle in their 75 and even if they did the maze decks will have sideboard answers. The maze deck seems completely unplayable online though.
Well there's also the MOCS prelims going on. That's why some of the cards are going up, people can net deck the pro tour decks. If that wasn't going on, I'm not sure prices would go up that much.
I'm pretty sure blood baron and aetherling will go back down as they aren't used in popular decks in standard.
It'll be interesting to see if the guy who is 11-0 can win the PT with his deadbridge chant deck. That card will probably go up at least a ticket.
I'd like to see how these maze decks are constructed. Is their only win condition maze? My guess as to why they did so well was that they didn't face much aggro in the tournament. And control can't really interact with lands. I'm thinking not many people have pithing needle in their 75 and even if they did the maze decks will have sideboard answers. The maze deck seems completely unplayable online though.
The Maze deck has a ton of removal and it can go toe to toe with aggro decks by just killing their dudes.
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/
A good resource for tracking MTGO prices if any of you didn't already know.
Right now, I want to talk about Obzedat, Ghost Council. DGM has seen a lot of new removal at instant speed, so the main draw of Obzedat has been diminished a little. Also, we see the introduction a slot competitor, Blood Baron of Vizkopa. The Baron gets protection from a lot of relevant colors. I believe that the future of Obzedat is bleak, and he will at least see decline in play. His price will drop correspondingly. How much, I am not so sure. What do you guys think?
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/forumdisplay.php?f=720
It's not all about block, but the 3rd post down is about Obezdat.
It seems I was so wrong on Blood Baron
Personally, I think obzedat is way better and am shocked at blood baron's price and apparent popularity. I could be wrong.
Though there are some exceptions like tree of redemption. It was worth over 2 tickets last year when no standard deck was playing it. And it was worth like 10 cents in paper.
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/card/Tree+of+Redemption+%5BISD%5D
(notice the price spike when AVR came out)
I'm not sure why blood baron is worth 9 tickets. I did a quick glance at mtgo and paper standard decklists and see obzedats but no blood baron. Then I looked at starcity's site and it's worth $15. So this has to be the bot owners setting the price high to mirror paper prices and the casual kids eating that card up.
I think obzedat is still a very good card. I can see it going back up to 20 tix a year from now. DKA was deemed an underpowered set. And you can see falkenrath aristocrat and huntmaster get to 30 tickets. So I don't think it's unreasonable that obzedat can get back to 20. The redemption fee increase is an issue, but i'm not saying the card will hit 30 tickets, just 20.
I hate to keep posting in a misplaced thread - perhaps this could be merged with a more appropriately located block price discussion?
I'm pretty sure blood baron and aetherling will go back down as they aren't used in popular decks in standard.
It'll be interesting to see if the guy who is 11-0 can win the PT with his deadbridge chant deck. That card will probably go up at least a ticket.
I'd like to see how these maze decks are constructed. Is their only win condition maze? My guess as to why they did so well was that they didn't face much aggro in the tournament. And control can't really interact with lands. I'm thinking not many people have pithing needle in their 75 and even if they did the maze decks will have sideboard answers. The maze deck seems completely unplayable online though.
The Maze deck has a ton of removal and it can go toe to toe with aggro decks by just killing their dudes.
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