Hi,
I'm running a GR titanshift deck next weekend with 24+ particpants.
I need help with the 15 slot SB.
Following are some decks I played with the past:
Mono Black Devotion
BW tokens
Green devotion
Discarder
8 whack
grixis Delver
Burn
Aristocrats
Elves
Skred Blood Moon
Superfriends
Mostly are non tier decks. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
I personally think it has merit to look at. Ignore the text about zombies, they didn't give us deserts with basic land types so it doesn't matter. I find that often the first Titan trigger is all we really need. And it gives something to do on turn three after a search for tomorrow comes off of suspend that uses all 5 mana. That being said, we already have 10 wincons in the deck and I don't think this replaces any of them. It has the issue of being weak to stubborn denial just like scapeshift and Summoner's Pact. I will consider trying it out as a one of in the ramp package and I think anyone who was running hunting wilds may like this a lot. However, I think it will just end up being an edh all star.
Its defiantly worth testing. If this would replace titan for some reason it would blank the opponents spot removal on Titan, but if Titan sticks around for another turn, it nets 2 more lands. I see both sides weighing on the pros and cons. This a turn sooner than Titan means a turn sooner on scapeshift. If Titans would come out, then I would assume Pact's could be replaced with something else as well unless you keep them for the MD green creatures of 'steve' and wood elves, SB of baloth, rec sage, chameleon colossus, tracker, etc.
There's also a weird BGr Scapeshift deck that uses Dark Petitions instead of Primeval Titans, going for a much more controlling Jundlike gameplan, with discard, killspells and Lilianas.
Its defiantly worth testing. If this would replace titan for some reason it would blank the opponents spot removal on Titan, but if Titan sticks around for another turn, it nets 2 more lands. I see both sides weighing on the pros and cons. This a turn sooner than Titan means a turn sooner on scapeshift. If Titans would come out, then I would assume Pact's could be replaced with something else as well unless you keep them for the MD green creatures of 'steve' and wood elves, SB of baloth, rec sage, chameleon colossus, tracker, etc.
I wouldn't go that far. The titans are important for diversifying threats. That way we don't just lose when a player draws a Negate or Grixis Shadow has stubborn denial. Diversified threats force the opponents to diversify their answers which means that sometimes they will draw the answers that don't line up with our threats. I think it's more likely that it could see play as a 1-2 of in a flex slot. Doubling as a way to get from 5 lands on turn 3 to the 7 you need for scapeshift on 4 without having to draw that land. Or setting up a good late game. I don't think it ever replaces Titan or scapeshift as they adre both more powerful. But maybe it supplements them as a good utility spell in the 75.
Made this deck for Modo & Twitch the other day and it is performing awesomely! Have a winning record with it out of 5 leagues, 2 of which going 4-1. Maindecking 4 Anger of the Gods & 4 Chalice of the Void right now, other than that, traditional G/R stuff.
Obstinate Baloth has been awesome against more decks than I expected as well!
I agree with Heenock, I can see this in a flex slot. I'm going to try it as a one or two of in the Courser of Kruphix slot. It feels more like a utility/ramp spell than an actual wincon. But, it definitely sets up the mid-late game very well in the same way that a Titan that immediately eats removal does
Played at a 20 person MNM. This shop usually has a lot of Burn, 8 Rack, and Storm. Odd combination.
Round 1 vs. Grixis Shadow. I had planned on running Bogles, but after seeing that this player was on Grixis Shadow, I saved myself some hurt...or so I thought. I had 1 win condition in my hand in game 2 and my hand was completely stripped into oblivion, while Shadows came soon afterward. I cast a Hornet's Nest in game 2, but he topdecked and played Terminate. Why can't my opponent ever keep in Terminate vs. Titan Shift when I just ramp into Titan or Shift and win? Nope, it's always that one card that is drawn when I have a single Hornet Nest. Maybe I can draw 2 Hornet Nest in a game some day? With only 2 Pact and 3 Nest, it will probably take around 10 more matches mathematically. I may go to Chameleon Colossus so that I just won't draw the SB card or Pact. Easy 0-2.
Round 2 vs. Storm. In the first game, he ran out Goblin Electromancer. Then he played Baral, Chief of Compliance the next turn, but didn't go off. I do Sweltering Suns, a card from my opener. The next turn, he runs out another Baral, Chief of Compliance and then goes off on turn 5. I kept Sweltering Suns, Search, Farseek, and 4 lands. I drew...4 lands. In the next game, I just played a Sweltering Suns or Lightning Bolt each time he got a dude. He tried to go off on turn 6 with Past in Flames and Manamorphose into some Rituals from the yard. He came close, but needed to draw another Ritual from the top, which he didn't, using all 4 Manamorphose and 2 Gifts. Lucky game for me. I had my 2nd Prime Time for game. In the final game, I got turn 1 Relic of Progenitus. I take my time ramping and land another Relic that I had drawn. He basically tried to go off, but wasn't even close this time. He also had too many dudes, of which Electromancer and Baral got me to 11 before a Grapeshot put me at 5. 2-1.
Round 3 vs. Burn. Yes! This deck makes our "consistency" look like we're playing Modern Aetherworks Marvel to be honest. We are a super, super fragile deck compared with Burn. I lose the die roll; nothing new. I have never won a die roll vs. Burn with Titan Shift and hardly ever with any deck I've played in Modern. I've probably played against Burn around 500-1000 matches and I don't even want to think of my percentage of going first. But...he didn't turn 1 Goblin Guide. He turn 1 did Monastery Swiftspear, but I Bolt it next turn. He does Boros Charm, then Lightning Helix, then a flurry of burn to kill me before I could get to Scapeshift. Missed a land to Search for Tomorrow into Scapeshift, so waited until next turn, but it never arrived. The next game I mulled. I kept and cast an Obstinate Baloth after not drawing a single ramp spell. Skullcrack into another Skullcrack and the Lava Spike he just drew ended me very unsurprisingly. I think I've cast 1 Obstinate Baloth against Burn when they didn't Skullcrack. I guess it's only been around 40-50 times, so 1 out of those seems about right mathematically. The dude just outplayed me with good hands to my mediocre on the draw hands. 0-2.
Round 4 vs. Grishoalbrand. I actually had ramp, a win-con in Prime Time, and lands. What the literal ****? My first 4 draws were Prime Time, Prime Time, Scapeshift, Scapeshift. I eventually cast Prime Time and win with another next turn. It turns out he had 2 SSG, Shoal, and Desperate Ritual in hand all after doing a bunch of draw. In the next game, I get Relic of Progenitus. I exile it in response to a Goryo's Vengeance on Griselbrand. He is working toward another one with Cathartic Reunion, but he doesn't find it. My first 5 draws were 5 land, so it took a while for me to Scapeshift and get there. I think I had 1 ramp, so turn 6 was when I won. 2-0.
I get 2-2. Haven't done too well recently, which has made me pretty salty. It's rough when I can guess exactly what my opponent plays each turn and I don't even know every single deck list in Modern. Makes me scared to keep 4 land hands without a win-con because my next 5 draws are lands or keeping a 2 land hand because I won't draw any lands in 5 turns.
Legacy - Sneak Show, BR Reanimator, Miracles, UW Stoneblade
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/ Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander - Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build) (dead format for me)
Got Top 64 in the Open this past weekend. Will probably do a writeup later. I didn't change the deck much from SCG Charlotte and Vegas other than taking out an Anger from the SB and adding a Rec Sage.
Some highlights: Played DS 6 times over the two days (5 Grixis, 1 Esper). My Esper opponent played against Grixis 8 times in day 1 (went 7-1), talk about metagaming.
Placed 53th overall (10-5). Losses were to Grixis Shadow, RG Tooth and Nail, Grixis Shadow, Junk Midrange, and UWR Saheeli. The match against Saheeli was for Top 32, so his list is the one you see posted on the SCG site in 30th I think. One of the shadow losses was hard fought, the other I hit land flood both games so I don't know how to evaluate that.
Probably the last event for a while until PPTQ season.
Got Top 64 in the Open this past weekend. Will probably do a writeup later. I didn't change the deck much from SCG Charlotte and Vegas other than taking out an Anger from the SB and adding a Rec Sage.
Some highlights: Played DS 6 times over the two days (5 Grixis, 1 Esper). My Esper opponent played against Grixis 8 times in day 1 (went 7-1), talk about metagaming.
Placed 53th overall (10-5). Losses were to Grixis Shadow, RG Tooth and Nail, Grixis Shadow, Junk Midrange, and UWR Saheeli. The match against Saheeli was for Top 32, so his list is the one you see posted on the SCG site in 30th I think. One of the shadow losses was hard fought, the other I hit land flood both games so I don't know how to evaluate that.
Probably the last event for a while until PPTQ season.
Congrats, nookularboy! I think the singleton "Ach! Hans, Run!" is what I have been missing from my builds ;-)
Titan Shift has been doing well lately, including winning the July 4th MTGO something or other. All of the successful lists I've seen recently have run Omen, even in 2-color builds, which I think is interesting. nookular's list is the only one I've seen recently that runs KHE, which is often the most insane card in the deck!
I have had omens for the longest time but haven't tried them out. I would really appreciate a SB guide on how to deal with omens though, are they ever cut post SB?
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Marath, Will of the Wild Tokens!! / Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund Dragons! / Muzzio, Visionary Architect / Brago, King Eternal / Daretti, Scrap Savant / Narset, Enlightened Master / Alesha, Who Smiles at Death / Bruna, Light of Alabaster / Marchesa, the Black Rose / Iroas, God of Victory / Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury / Omnath, Locus of rage / Titania, Protector of Argoth / Kozilek, the Great Distortion
Modern
Elves / Titanshift / Merfolk
I'm running a GR titanshift deck next weekend with 24+ particpants.
I need help with the 15 slot SB.
Following are some decks I played with the past:
Mono Black Devotion
BW tokens
Green devotion
Discarder
8 whack
grixis Delver
Burn
Aristocrats
Elves
Skred Blood Moon
Superfriends
Mostly are non tier decks. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
I personally think it has merit to look at. Ignore the text about zombies, they didn't give us deserts with basic land types so it doesn't matter. I find that often the first Titan trigger is all we really need. And it gives something to do on turn three after a search for tomorrow comes off of suspend that uses all 5 mana. That being said, we already have 10 wincons in the deck and I don't think this replaces any of them. It has the issue of being weak to stubborn denial just like scapeshift and Summoner's Pact. I will consider trying it out as a one of in the ramp package and I think anyone who was running hunting wilds may like this a lot. However, I think it will just end up being an edh all star.
Marath, Will of the Wild Tokens!! / Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund Dragons! / Muzzio, Visionary Architect / Brago, King Eternal / Daretti, Scrap Savant / Narset, Enlightened Master / Alesha, Who Smiles at Death / Bruna, Light of Alabaster / Marchesa, the Black Rose / Iroas, God of Victory / Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury / Omnath, Locus of rage / Titania, Protector of Argoth / Kozilek, the Great Distortion
Modern
Elves / Titanshift / Merfolk
3 Forest
6 Mountain
3 Stomping Ground
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
3 Windswept Heath
3 Lightning Bolt
1 Sweltering Suns
1 Anger of the Gods
1 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
2 Relic of Progenitus
4 Primeval Titan
2 Summoner's Pact
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Wood Elves
4 Search for Tomorrow
2 Explore
3 Farseek
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Anger of the Gods
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Primal Command
1 Nature's Claim
3 Obstinate Baloth
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Chameleon Colossus
1 Beast Within
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Thragtusk (must be one Tireless Tracker but I forgot it at home)
1 Relic of Progenitus
1-2 vs Affinity
2-0 vs Amulet Titan
2-1 vs Elves
2-1 vs Gw Tron
Draw vs Junk
Top 8 :
2-1 vs Grixis DS
2-1 vs Gw big mana brew (feat 4 summoning trap + Emrakul/Ulamog)
2-1 vs Eldrazi Tron
RG Titan Scapeshift GR
UBWAd Nauseam WBU
CEldrazi TronC
There's also a weird BGr Scapeshift deck that uses Dark Petitions instead of Primeval Titans, going for a much more controlling Jundlike gameplan, with discard, killspells and Lilianas.
I wouldn't go that far. The titans are important for diversifying threats. That way we don't just lose when a player draws a Negate or Grixis Shadow has stubborn denial. Diversified threats force the opponents to diversify their answers which means that sometimes they will draw the answers that don't line up with our threats. I think it's more likely that it could see play as a 1-2 of in a flex slot. Doubling as a way to get from 5 lands on turn 3 to the 7 you need for scapeshift on 4 without having to draw that land. Or setting up a good late game. I don't think it ever replaces Titan or scapeshift as they adre both more powerful. But maybe it supplements them as a good utility spell in the 75.
Marath, Will of the Wild Tokens!! / Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund Dragons! / Muzzio, Visionary Architect / Brago, King Eternal / Daretti, Scrap Savant / Narset, Enlightened Master / Alesha, Who Smiles at Death / Bruna, Light of Alabaster / Marchesa, the Black Rose / Iroas, God of Victory / Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury / Omnath, Locus of rage / Titania, Protector of Argoth / Kozilek, the Great Distortion
Modern
Elves / Titanshift / Merfolk
This is my list that I will be taking to a couple events later this month. I could take out the mom and pops for hour of promise?
I like fog and I don't have the funds to get EE.
When I have prismatic omen and 6 lands in play, and I cast scapeshift, do I fetch 4 valakuts + 2 mountains, and get 6 x 4 = 24 triggers for 72 damage?
RG Titan Scapeshift GR
UBWAd Nauseam WBU
CEldrazi TronC
Obstinate Baloth has been awesome against more decks than I expected as well!
Modern : RG Titan Shift RG | RG Revolt Zoo RG | RG Ponza RG | RGW Naya Burn RGW
Legacy : RG Belcher RG
@feline_o1 : Great, I will go see this on your twitch !
RG Titan Scapeshift GR
UBWAd Nauseam WBU
CEldrazi TronC
Marath, Will of the Wild Tokens!! / Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund Dragons! / Muzzio, Visionary Architect / Brago, King Eternal / Daretti, Scrap Savant / Narset, Enlightened Master / Alesha, Who Smiles at Death / Bruna, Light of Alabaster / Marchesa, the Black Rose / Iroas, God of Victory / Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury / Omnath, Locus of rage / Titania, Protector of Argoth / Kozilek, the Great Distortion
Modern
Elves / Titanshift / Merfolk
Round 1 vs. Grixis Shadow. I had planned on running Bogles, but after seeing that this player was on Grixis Shadow, I saved myself some hurt...or so I thought. I had 1 win condition in my hand in game 2 and my hand was completely stripped into oblivion, while Shadows came soon afterward. I cast a Hornet's Nest in game 2, but he topdecked and played Terminate. Why can't my opponent ever keep in Terminate vs. Titan Shift when I just ramp into Titan or Shift and win? Nope, it's always that one card that is drawn when I have a single Hornet Nest. Maybe I can draw 2 Hornet Nest in a game some day? With only 2 Pact and 3 Nest, it will probably take around 10 more matches mathematically. I may go to Chameleon Colossus so that I just won't draw the SB card or Pact. Easy 0-2.
Round 2 vs. Storm. In the first game, he ran out Goblin Electromancer. Then he played Baral, Chief of Compliance the next turn, but didn't go off. I do Sweltering Suns, a card from my opener. The next turn, he runs out another Baral, Chief of Compliance and then goes off on turn 5. I kept Sweltering Suns, Search, Farseek, and 4 lands. I drew...4 lands. In the next game, I just played a Sweltering Suns or Lightning Bolt each time he got a dude. He tried to go off on turn 6 with Past in Flames and Manamorphose into some Rituals from the yard. He came close, but needed to draw another Ritual from the top, which he didn't, using all 4 Manamorphose and 2 Gifts. Lucky game for me. I had my 2nd Prime Time for game. In the final game, I got turn 1 Relic of Progenitus. I take my time ramping and land another Relic that I had drawn. He basically tried to go off, but wasn't even close this time. He also had too many dudes, of which Electromancer and Baral got me to 11 before a Grapeshot put me at 5. 2-1.
Round 3 vs. Burn. Yes! This deck makes our "consistency" look like we're playing Modern Aetherworks Marvel to be honest. We are a super, super fragile deck compared with Burn. I lose the die roll; nothing new. I have never won a die roll vs. Burn with Titan Shift and hardly ever with any deck I've played in Modern. I've probably played against Burn around 500-1000 matches and I don't even want to think of my percentage of going first. But...he didn't turn 1 Goblin Guide. He turn 1 did Monastery Swiftspear, but I Bolt it next turn. He does Boros Charm, then Lightning Helix, then a flurry of burn to kill me before I could get to Scapeshift. Missed a land to Search for Tomorrow into Scapeshift, so waited until next turn, but it never arrived. The next game I mulled. I kept and cast an Obstinate Baloth after not drawing a single ramp spell. Skullcrack into another Skullcrack and the Lava Spike he just drew ended me very unsurprisingly. I think I've cast 1 Obstinate Baloth against Burn when they didn't Skullcrack. I guess it's only been around 40-50 times, so 1 out of those seems about right mathematically. The dude just outplayed me with good hands to my mediocre on the draw hands. 0-2.
Round 4 vs. Grishoalbrand. I actually had ramp, a win-con in Prime Time, and lands. What the literal ****? My first 4 draws were Prime Time, Prime Time, Scapeshift, Scapeshift. I eventually cast Prime Time and win with another next turn. It turns out he had 2 SSG, Shoal, and Desperate Ritual in hand all after doing a bunch of draw. In the next game, I get Relic of Progenitus. I exile it in response to a Goryo's Vengeance on Griselbrand. He is working toward another one with Cathartic Reunion, but he doesn't find it. My first 5 draws were 5 land, so it took a while for me to Scapeshift and get there. I think I had 1 ramp, so turn 6 was when I won. 2-0.
I get 2-2. Haven't done too well recently, which has made me pretty salty. It's rough when I can guess exactly what my opponent plays each turn and I don't even know every single deck list in Modern. Makes me scared to keep 4 land hands without a win-con because my next 5 draws are lands or keeping a 2 land hand because I won't draw any lands in 5 turns.
Premodern - Trix, RecSur, Enchantress, Reanimator, Elves https://www.facebook.com/groups/PremodernUSA/
Modern - Neobrand, Hogaak Vine, Elves
Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)https://deckstats.net/decks/3908/764206-rg-scapeshift-scg-roanoke-
Some highlights: Played DS 6 times over the two days (5 Grixis, 1 Esper). My Esper opponent played against Grixis 8 times in day 1 (went 7-1), talk about metagaming.
Placed 53th overall (10-5). Losses were to Grixis Shadow, RG Tooth and Nail, Grixis Shadow, Junk Midrange, and UWR Saheeli. The match against Saheeli was for Top 32, so his list is the one you see posted on the SCG site in 30th I think. One of the shadow losses was hard fought, the other I hit land flood both games so I don't know how to evaluate that.
Probably the last event for a while until PPTQ season.
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Moderator of /r/Scapeshift
Congrats, nookularboy! I think the singleton "Ach! Hans, Run!" is what I have been missing from my builds ;-)
Titan Shift has been doing well lately, including winning the July 4th MTGO something or other. All of the successful lists I've seen recently have run Omen, even in 2-color builds, which I think is interesting. nookular's list is the only one I've seen recently that runs KHE, which is often the most insane card in the deck!
[edit] MTGSalvation forums puts us back to tier 1