MTG Salvation

But stil isnt scavenging ooze slow in modern?

was thinking about replace hellkites with one batterskull and one ooze.. what do you think?

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Also he saw legacy play so i highly doubt hes too slow for modern.

Mainboard lifegain and gy hate in the form of 4 deatrite, 2-4 ooze seems nasty.

Combo is faster in Legacy but modern usually aims for faster kills with aggro and midrange and less protection in the form of counterspells.

Ooze is good, but he is quite slow for modern, where decks are more proactive and don't always leave mana open.

same as Tarmogoyf, players don't intend to cast him always on turn 2.. the Goyf is a dead card against Rest in Peace and Relic of Progenitus.. Scavenging Ooze is more useful against graveyard-based decks, especially Living End Combo.. Can also be useful against R-X decks because of its lifegain ability.. Just my 2 cents here..

I know that its a step back. .but i was thinking about only 3 color jund.. I fought a lot of but lost pretty much against Aggro decks.. But this works even against Aggro decks..



And Its even ''Ecological'' to my life total..

Hey guys, new to Jund here. I am looking for help with the mana base and general opinions on this build. This build is inspired by some of the mono-black midrange decks like The Gate.



Key differences between typical Jund builds:
+Vampire Nighthawk-At worst trades with pretty much anything, at best continuously gives us life and flies over threats.
+Abyssal Persecutor-In my opinion, one of the best threats in the game, T4 6/6 Flying, Trample ain't no joke. His downside isn't terribly hard to deal with considering the amount of removal Liliana and Geth's provide.
+Geth's Verdict-Looking for opinions on this piece of removal, can be bad when they have a cluttered board, but it will kill anything and also remove Abyssal if hes still on the board after they have negative life.
-Tarmogoyf-Yes hes an all star beater, but he doesn't have any evasion or ETB benefits. Usually all he ends up doing is saving you a few life against faster decks or at best he will get in a beat or two for some damage before they can answer. Most of the time I would rather have something else.
-Dark Confidant-CMC is too high for him.
+Phyrexian Arena-Better and harder to kill version of bob, unfortunately comes down T3, which is big.
+Thragtusk-Hes here mainly for stabilizing with the ridiculous life-gain and CA. Are there any alternatives?

I wrote allmost same deck like you.. and i must admit.. that I miss flying creature.. but this 3 color jund.. is less suicidal because of lands.. i ussually fetch only for one color land because of blackcleave.. dont need two shock lands in second turn.. its strong..but id like to say you..
-1 Raging ravine (you always need just one in game.. dont need more.. )
-1 Maelstrom Pulse ( you always need just one in game.. dont need more.. )
Think about Thoughtseize - do you really need 4? 3 is enough..

Iam sorry but me personally I dont like Finks.. they are just 3/2 small lifegainers.. who can die twice.. you need to rework your land base cuz of them and they wont help you against strong aggro decks.. Cards like Ghor-clan Ramp will ignore your finks.. and then your finks are only 2/1.. but thats only my opinion..
and i would add some more killing cards.. today modern is ruled by affinity, tron and pod decks.. and the key to slow them is :
Affinity - kill the on carring Cranial Platin, while combat phase.. then take care of each signal pests and later make him sac champions.. (you need control! )
Tron - You need to have anything to slow him.. use as much hand control as you need (iam talking about the game n. 1).. make your land creatures big.. and attack with feeded Scavenging ooze and kill him as fast as you can.. G2. Use sowing salts.. easy win.. bye lands..
Pod deck - Kill everything on a board! PLAY AGGRO! CONTROL HIM.. do everything you need but do it really quickly..

Thats why i play Batterskull!

From now on I will be testing a few new cards, mostly on sideboard.
Tomorrow during the GPT I will test Zo-Zu, the Punisher, Eradicate and MB Sword of Light and Shadow(Moved from the side to the main)

I've been testing a Ooze Jund list featuring the obvious Scavenging Ooze and 2 MB Garza's Assassin with HUGE sucess, Garza's is great so is the Ooze. I really recommend you guys to try out.

A card that I'm loving that will never leave was both replacements for BBE, 2 Thrun, The Last Troll and the magnificent and game winning Hero of Oxid Ridge

Here the list of the Jund with Ooze I've been toying around.



Don't ask me why, but the deck does not have mana problems

How often has paying the life to Recover been backbreaking for Garza's Assassin? Also, do you feel frustrated when an opposing Deathrite stops you from Recovering Garza's Assassin (you should have killed opposing Scavenging Oozes with the Assassin)?

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How often has paying the life to Recover been backbreaking for Garza's Assassin? Also, do you feel frustrated when an opposing Deathrite stops you from Recovering Garza's Assassin (you should have killed opposing Scavenging Oozes with the Assassin)?

The recover is pretty much worthless, it's something I ignore most of the time, he will end up exiled by himself most of the time, but I think I recovered him once, when I was at 4 life and was desperate, anyway, the recover is something totally worthless and the only thing you must do is to exile him after another creature you control dies, but as a creature it is better than avarage creature that allows some tricks and gives some "advantage" as nobody wants to throw their best creature into removal and the opponents tries to dodge him, he'll be around for some time dealing some damage depending when you play him, is a highly efficient defensive creature as he can block one creature and destroy another one, too bad it costs BBB

I would say that he is at least, worth of testing.Try it and see by yourself

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My attempt at traditional jund

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4 deathrite shaman 4 dark confidant 4 tarmogoyf 2 scaveging ooze 3 kitchen finks 2 thundermaw hellkite 3 liliana otv 3 thoughtseize 2 inquisition 4 bolt 1 terminate 2 abrupt decay 1 maelstrom pulse	4 blackcleave cliffs 4 verdant catacombs 4 marsh flats 1 bloodcrypt 1 stomping grounds 1 overgrown tomb 3 raging ravine 3 swamp 2 forest

--this deck is more resistive from burn decks, red-blue-white and gruul aggro.. especially when the ooze become legal in modern.. in my list, i added only 1x batterskull.. too clunky if you place more than 1x..

Parking my current list here Any feedback would also be much appreciated.

Updated 18/6/13

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Parking my current list here Any feedback would also be much appreciated.

Updated 11/6/13

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Creatures:16 4 Deathrite Shaman 4 Dark Confidant 4 Tarmogoyf 4 Falkenrath Aristocrat Spells:19 2 Inquisition of Kozilek 4 Lightning Bolt 3 Thoughtseize 1 Abrupt Decay 2 Terminate 4 Liliana of the Veil 2 Maelstrom Pulse 1 Batterskull	Lands:25 4 Blackcleave Cliffs 1 Blood Crypt 1 Forest 3 Marsh Flats 2 Misty Rainforest 1 Overgrown Tomb 4 Raging Ravine 1 Stomping Ground 2 Swamp 1 Treetop Village 1 Twilight Mire 4 Verdant Catacombs	Sideboard:15 1 Engineered Explosives 1 Grafdigger's Cage 1 Ancient Grudge 1 Back to Nature 1 Deglamer 2 Spellskite 1 Torpor Orb 2 Olivia Voldaren 2 Sowing Salt 2 Thrun, the Last Troll 1 Batterskull

How has the aristocrat worked out for you? I feel its 1 toughness is a major drawback.

Hasn't been a major issue so far. 1 toughness in modern is equivalent to 3, what with bolts and paths being removals of choice. Of course, she's pretty poor against spirits, which is where olivia comes in.

I might switch to maindeck olivias instead though.

1 toughness and 3 are not the same as far as removal goes - electrolyze is a real card (and against an electrolyze deck it's not that unlikely that you have no other creatures too). It also makes it a much worse blocker, and there are occasions you'll have to block with it (even if not that often).

Not to say aristocrat is a bad card, I've no idea really, but 1 toughness is definitely a drawback.

Yeah, unless your meta is very board wipe-heavy (so you'll gladly sac everything that's about to die), I'd rather play Falkenrath Aristocrat in more creature-heavy builds. I think 2 of her and 2 Huntmaster of the Fells is a decent configuration, for example--Huntmaster is a vulnerable Human and its Wolf is decent sac fodder.

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Yeah, unless your meta is very board wipe-heavy (so you'll gladly sac everything that's about to die), I'd rather play Falkenrath Aristocrat in more creature-heavy builds. I think 2 of her and 2 Huntmaster of the Fells is a decent configuration, for example--Huntmaster is a vulnerable Human and its Wolf is decent sac fodder.

I agree with this.. if in a tight situation (like your opponent cast a board-wipe like Wrath of God, or you are in a critical low life) that you have to sac a creature for your Falkenrath Aristocrat, Huntmaster of the Fells (not its token :D) and Dark Confidant are Humans..

Thanks guys! I think I will go with Lectrys' suggestion first and see how it goes.

My main beef with Thrun (and Olivia) is that unlike in standard, they are only good in specific matchups in modern. Aristocrat is, I feel, the most universally useful creature. Huntmaster comes close.