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Quote from DuncDady »If you are on a counter magic more controlling version then Keranos is a definite possibility. I agree if you only have one Liliana in the 75 then it does make a lot of sense to play the Keranos since he is a wincon on his own he is great against the slower decks in the format. I have considered the switch myself but I am actually holding on to the Liliana probably more out of personal bias towards Liliana than any other tangible reasoning. Keranos main isn't something I have ever been a huge fan of but in this deck I think it could be very strong definitely stronger than having a single Liliana in the 75. Let us know how it goes having jace and keranos side by side is just card advantage for days.
Quote from darksage78 »New to this archetype, switching over from Grixis Control just to see how Jace is in Modern. I saw the list by Anthony Lowry but noticed he changed it quite a bit at the tournament itself. I had a few questions such as:
1. Are Blackcleave Cliffs necessary? Are there stable manabases that don't require them?
2. Any recent examples using a few maindeck counterspells?
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Quote from darksage78 »Thanks gkourou, I'll like try something similar and see how it goes. Does this deck also have a bad match-up against Tron like Chapin's Grixis?
Quote from Niallplaysmagic »Spooly -
Your P.S. is why I've stopped playing both this deck and the regular control deck. Until something major changes, control decks can at best be a meta call where you can certainly see individual success, but the decks as a whole just don't have the tools to be successful in the meta. Both this and the other grixis deck have SERIOUS issues in burn and Tron (and merfolk!), and until those can be mitigated without giving up percentages against the rest of the field it's just not worth it. If the meta is ALL BG(x) and Twin, then great, go for it.
Quote from Onime »Dragon's Claw might be a good sideboard card against burn. It's useless against any other matchup though.
Quote from DuncDady »These dasy dragons claw is not a good option since it turns on revelry same can be said of spellskite though. Burn is a....
Quote from jonathanveedot »The dude who mentioned that adding 3 Twins and 5 Tappers was the way to go wasn't lying... it makes the deck more consistent in its bad match ups, and then you just side into blue jund. PKN and Twin is pretty sick for generating tokens in grindy games. It feels a lot like this deck sometimes although you lose the engine.
But to be more on topic, Burn is a match up that you have to be OK with losing with this deck in my opinion. If you feel you need to overcompensate in the sideboard bc you see a lot of the bad decks, then maybe the deck isn't optimal for the meta. I've come to terms with the fact that grixis colors exist in this weird tempo/control/aggression space where you can adapt to any meta and have a couple play style options that can play well within that meta.