Its an awful card. Cards that leave your opponent with choices that change the effect that much are bad. With cards like raven's crime we dont care what they discard. Vexing devil is usually 4 to the face for R, no matter what they choose, so it's usually pretty good, and is still hotly debated. Dash Hopes will always be what we dont want. If their spell doesnt matter, then hoary, we countered a spell that doesnt matter. if the spell is 'counter or die', then guess what? we're dead.
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I'm thinking of adding three Lingering Souls to the side. It's easy to flashback of a Lili triggger, it's blockers or racing damage and sincerely I just don't use the Leyline of Sanctity since burn is unpopular and weak at my LGS.
What match-ups do you bring in Darkblast for? And what do you take out?
I'm assuming Delver, BOB, Noble H...
Same for Surgical Extraction...
Borrowed some cards from a buddy and am playing 8 Rack tonight for the first time at my local shop. Pretty stoked. Should be interesting.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Bring Blast in for Affinity, Delver, and maybe Soul Sisters. Nothing else. Take out Wrench Mind and Ensnaring Bridge, respectively. For Soul Sisters I take out a single removal spell for one. Bring in Extraction for Scapeshift, Tron, Storm, and maybe Twin. Take out (maybe) removal for Scapeshift and Wrench Mind for Tron. Not sure on others; depends on the list. I'm still not sure on Storm myself; taking in and out any given thing has its own pros and cons.
On a more general 8 Rack note, recently tried to find my set of bridges and to my dismay could only find an eye-raping 8th ed one, plus a far more pleasing stronghold copy. As it turned out, my local shop has to of the latter type on hand. I'll probably end up finding the missing ones, but oh well. They're sweet cards.
Will be able to terrorize monthly modern tournies now instead of randoms on freeware mtg programs.
People at the shop will be very surprised to see me playing with something that doesn't run cryptics, bolts, paths, and cliques.
The 8 Rack build is a copy of Memorylapse's, but minus a Salvage and plus a Buried Ruin. Haven't asked any locals if there's burn being played, so 15 will also be the same boring ol' sb as Lapse's.
Unless anyone reps some other build more to greater anecdotal AND demonstrable results, I will come out and put in my- likely obvious at this point- two cents and posit that the build mentioned is likely where anyone playing the deck should start before making changes. It runs really well; be more critical of your play to anyone having a terrible time with it.
What abou replace our Swamps by Snow-covered Swamps and something about 3 Scrying Sheets? After the fourth turn, I think its a nice idea being scrying every turn to have more lands in hand to raven's crime (wich helps accelerating the discards when opponents is out of rack range) and filter our topdeck to something that we need, maybe a bridge or some wincon.
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I don't think so. It's similar to delirium skeins and that's a fringe card. Hymn to Tourach would be sick.
Delirium Skeins is in an entirely different world than Chain of Smog. Skeins is 3 CMC and both players discard 3 without a doubt. If I am playing 8rack, and you are playing not 8rack (let alone if I have a rack effect out) are you really going to copy the spell and force me to discard 2 more cards(likely 2 discard spells) allowing me to make you discard 2 more yourself? If your opponent copies this spell you get the chance to copy it back at them again!
It seems like 8rack could really use another 2 CMC discard 2 spell. Hymn to Tourach would be great but I doubt we see that in modern while Liliana of the Veil is legal in modern(not saying she should be banned, saying Modern is not prepared for that duo).
Chain of Smog seems like an excellent "finisher" discard spell for 8rack, and an even more amazing top deck when your opponent is trying to hold onto some card.
Yeah, both Gush and Fastbond are banned in legacy, but are really fun looking in vintage. I could see 8rack working in legacy with some tweaks (I've got my own brew I've been 'toying' with, the only serious changes to the 75 is I'm using The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale and Pox in place of Ensnaring Bridge (which is in the side), and I'm running Innocent Blood as removal as well as toying with Hymn to Tourach and Sensei's Divining Top). Legacy is an entirely different metagame and some things have to get tuned that way. I've been trying to follow others work on the legacy version (as well as pox lists as they are fairly similar) as well as other decks so that I can make it fairly competitive but time is limited. Vintage on the other hand, I'm not sure if 8rack could really manage the power of Gush and Ancestral Recall and the likes filling up hands.
I've often thought it would be funny to use this in a deck running Loxodon Smiter, Obstinate Baloth type cards. But since Smog is not legal in Modern and Legacy it just doesn't quite cut it... it's just a thought.
There any number of different evolutionary directions where Waste Not can go. Would it be O.K. if we take it out of the wrapper, and play with it for a little while? If and when it falls apart, we collectively promise that you can say, "I told you so".