Okay so white splash gives access to enchantment removal and numerous other sideboard cards.
Red gives access to the both players discard a card land , blood moon , rakdos charm etc.
If leyline of sanctity is not present in my meta should I splash red for a better tron matchup?
On the side note Mark Rosewater said they would be doing "something players have asked for a long time" , and do "something players have asked for that they have never done."
Question is , is reprinting Onslaught fetches the 1st or the 2nd? Since this is the first time onslaught fetches get reprints.
I would argue Pack Rat is the card to add if you want to improove your Tron match, not once since I added them have I lost to Tron.
Affinity is still a problem that's why I'm waiting for my Polluted Deltas to be legal and Hurkyl's Recall which is almost Time Walk most of the time against them. Sure they have their hand again, but we didn't die this turn.
As for red, I'm not as tempted by Blightning as I am by Abrupt Decay and Putrefy. I think it's just counterbait.
If I splash white I think the first card I would add is Castigate. Then Stony Silence for Tron, Affinity, Eggs, Tez control (which I expect to come back with recent results).
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern UB Tezzerator UBW Gifts B 8Rack
Legacy RB Goblins
Personally, as a waste not user, I'm highly tempted by the red splash to completely bypass leyline of sanctity and more explosive draws.
Playing Burning Inquiry alongside Delirium Skeins with Waste Not and having bloodmoon in the side board for tron would be useful.
What are your experiences with waste not? I find it more useful to go with liliana's caress build rather than rack and focus on dealing damage through discards rather than hand size which allows us to use reforge the soul. I would love to hear more about your deck =]
Hey everybody, I'm brand new to 8Rack and have a question for you before I go play it at a shop for the first time.
I see that there are 4 Leyline of Sanctity in the sideboard.
If you didn't have access to any Leyline of Sanctity, but had the rest of the cards, how would you construct the sideboard?
In other words, which cards would you use to make up for not having any Leyline's? And if having not Sanctity's has a secondary effect that means a drastic SB change, what would the 15 card board consist of?
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
My favorite Magic Card of all time is Traumatize. I don't win very often.
Hey everybody, I'm brand new to 8Rack and have a question for you before I go play it at a shop for the first time.
I see that there are 4 Leyline of Sanctity in the sideboard.
If you didn't have access to any Leyline of Sanctity, but had the rest of the cards, how would you construct the sideboard?
In other words, which cards would you use to make up for not having any Leyline's? And if having not Sanctity's has a secondary effect that means a drastic SB change, what would the 15 card board consist of?
Use Duress or Sun Droplet. If it turns out there's little or no burn in your meta, use something tailored for your meta instead.
I would probably opt for Sun Droplet or maybe Blackmail. I think Blackmail is more versatile than Duress and could be brought in against other decks like Tron, removing Wrench Mind in that matchup. Also against decks that love manlands like UWx control or Jund/Junk with their Treetops and Ravines.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern UB Tezzerator UBW Gifts B 8Rack
Legacy RB Goblins
Agreed. Forgot about it momentarily. For Tron you'd take out removal and Wrench Mind for Extraction and Blackmail. I definitely would not bring it in for UWR or BGx.
Waste Not can win games if you enable it to do so. I don't think you have to force the issue with burning inquiry or anything, but it does function best early and is pretty dead late. So from a "whole term" look at a match things like Pack Rat are more consistent and impactful. Waste Not is a better start than Rat, but Rat excels from the transition at early>mid-game going forward. If you consider that our start is typically about emptying the opponents hand as quickly as possible then rat makes for a good fit. Often times if I'm short discard I'll run rat out just to be a target for bolt or path to get it out of their hand. It's like when your raven's crime gets negated/dispelled. That's fine, I just want you to discard.
I think there's a place for Waste Not in a deck that builds around it. A BR build with inquiry, blightning, bolts and maybe bloodchief ascension might be fun.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Modern UB Tezzerator UBW Gifts B 8Rack
Legacy RB Goblins
I did, I didn't like it. Bob helped me lose faster to Burn and Affinity and Waste Not does notthing if you play it after turn 2 against anyone who knows our deck.
Pack Rat and Bitterblossom are out 2-drop permanents.
The best splashes for the deck are already made easy by fetches.
In fact, the reason for initially looking at this thread was to ask whether the splash feels as bad in practice for others as it does for me. Taking damage from fetching and thoughtseizing loses me the type of life that makes tight matches even more difficult, where racing with rats or racks comes down to dying a turn after.
Playing around with a white splash started making me consider timely reinforcements, which is the kind of thinking that implies the splash is more trouble than it's worth.
None of the splashes make any sense at all that onslaught land facilitate- the strategy's biggest issues at the moment are tron, bots, pod, and leyline, basically. Blue does squat that white/green don't do better(bounce and ashiok are adorably bad reasons for a splash). Red is fine, but does little versus o-stones that white/green can't do better with and blood moon isn't THAT much of an issue to deal with via: o-stone. Boom/bust and pyroclasm are arguably the strongest cards red could supply, but neither are probably worth it.
A blood moon is out, tron casts o-stone with three mountains, then draws two more 'mountains' whilst 8 rack player stares blankly at said o-stone and plans what they'll do when it gets popped. Pass on red splash for sure.
In hindsight, maybe blue could work out if only to be bouncing karns an such, but I'll definitely not be someone who would bet on it working out after not ending up even liking a white splash for stuff like stonies, linger, hardcasting leylines, and disenchants. The cards that the splash gives need to make up for the extra susceptibility to blood moon and taking 2-6 extra damage per game as a result of said splash.
I'll stress again that Waste Not is best in lower amounts; I very rarely encounter the 'dead' issue with it as 2-of, and it often comes at a good time. That said I agree Rat is probably a better fit for the deck and more consistent/useful, though I'll be testing out both in combination, too.
I wanna splash blue for leyline of anticipation. Instant speed Raven's Crime is so silly. On a more serious note how do you guys feel about Blood Scrivener? I he seems so great but I have no space for him. Also Matt Higgs posted about Delirium Skeins. And honestly it seems really powerful. Plus I have to take out wrench mind a lot game two due to my local.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
What, is this confirmed? Please tell me so cause I was so hyped for fetch lands.
Edit: Just found it , so hyped now.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/570313-fetchlands-all-your-dreams-and-prayers-have-been
Red gives access to the both players discard a card land , blood moon , rakdos charm etc.
If leyline of sanctity is not present in my meta should I splash red for a better tron matchup?
On the side note Mark Rosewater said they would be doing "something players have asked for a long time" , and do "something players have asked for that they have never done."
Question is , is reprinting Onslaught fetches the 1st or the 2nd? Since this is the first time onslaught fetches get reprints.
Affinity is still a problem that's why I'm waiting for my Polluted Deltas to be legal and Hurkyl's Recall which is almost Time Walk most of the time against them. Sure they have their hand again, but we didn't die this turn.
As for red, I'm not as tempted by Blightning as I am by Abrupt Decay and Putrefy. I think it's just counterbait.
UB Tezzerator
UBW Gifts
B 8Rack
Legacy
RB Goblins
What are your experiences with waste not? I find it more useful to go with liliana's caress build rather than rack and focus on dealing damage through discards rather than hand size which allows us to use reforge the soul. I would love to hear more about your deck =]
Fish U
Jund BRG
KnightFall WURGC
i played in a 15man - 3round / went 1-2 first game vs a weird deck I've never seen. 2nd game 2-0 vs infect. 3rd game 2-0 vs UWR control..
bob/wastenot triggers helped tremendously.
thoughts?
EDIT : since fetches are being reprinted does that shine any light on a specific splash?
Fetch reprint shouldnt affect 8Rack much, but be smart and get a full set of each immediately. Never trade them.
As to your Bob+waste not test, you beat 2 decks that we have a good match up against. Try it vs affinity, BGx and tron.
I see that there are 4 Leyline of Sanctity in the sideboard.
If you didn't have access to any Leyline of Sanctity, but had the rest of the cards, how would you construct the sideboard?
In other words, which cards would you use to make up for not having any Leyline's? And if having not Sanctity's has a secondary effect that means a drastic SB change, what would the 15 card board consist of?
Use Duress or Sun Droplet. If it turns out there's little or no burn in your meta, use something tailored for your meta instead.
UB Tezzerator
UBW Gifts
B 8Rack
Legacy
RB Goblins
realized the mu's were in our favor after i posted. thanks for your input!
I think there's a place for Waste Not in a deck that builds around it. A BR build with inquiry, blightning, bolts and maybe bloodchief ascension might be fun.
UB Tezzerator
UBW Gifts
B 8Rack
Legacy
RB Goblins
Pack Rat and Bitterblossom are out 2-drop permanents.
In fact, the reason for initially looking at this thread was to ask whether the splash feels as bad in practice for others as it does for me. Taking damage from fetching and thoughtseizing loses me the type of life that makes tight matches even more difficult, where racing with rats or racks comes down to dying a turn after.
Playing around with a white splash started making me consider timely reinforcements, which is the kind of thinking that implies the splash is more trouble than it's worth.
None of the splashes make any sense at all that onslaught land facilitate- the strategy's biggest issues at the moment are tron, bots, pod, and leyline, basically. Blue does squat that white/green don't do better(bounce and ashiok are adorably bad reasons for a splash). Red is fine, but does little versus o-stones that white/green can't do better with and blood moon isn't THAT much of an issue to deal with via: o-stone. Boom/bust and pyroclasm are arguably the strongest cards red could supply, but neither are probably worth it.
A blood moon is out, tron casts o-stone with three mountains, then draws two more 'mountains' whilst 8 rack player stares blankly at said o-stone and plans what they'll do when it gets popped. Pass on red splash for sure.
In hindsight, maybe blue could work out if only to be bouncing karns an such, but I'll definitely not be someone who would bet on it working out after not ending up even liking a white splash for stuff like stonies, linger, hardcasting leylines, and disenchants. The cards that the splash gives need to make up for the extra susceptibility to blood moon and taking 2-6 extra damage per game as a result of said splash.