lol you and me both =P. anyway is discussion pretty much done on this deck? is the build just to tight for innovation? im trying to figure out why discussion just died on it.
PTQ season died so only those of us who where here prior to PTQing are still around. That and this deck is a tight list.
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In case I didn't tell you, I don't care about your opinion I just want your facts. And not the facts that make you seem smart. I want the ones that are actual facts.
Has anyone looked at going GW over GR? White gives you Wrath of God (which is better than Pyroclasm/Firespout in a field of Tarmogoyfs and Knight of Reliquarys). You also get the amazing finisher in White Sun Zenith. This is the list I'm going to start playtesting soon.
round 3 Death and Taxes
Land Destruction overwhelmed me.
2-1
round 4 red burn
despite how fast his deck is, mines was faster. and with no ability to counter or interrupt me from going off, he lost.
3-1
Thoughts:
Ulamog is definitely a good maindooard. He's great for those times where you just can't get to the requisite 12 mana(+ eye of ugin) for Emrakul, but Wurmcoil wouldn't do enough. I found myself coming up just a bit shy of Emrakul mana by turn 4-5 quite often, despite feeling that I had made the right choices for land tutoring, and Ulamog was a lifesaver in those situations.
All is Dust is a definite must. I ran my deck without it just because I couldn't get it in time before the daily and will be adding in at least one copy. Pyroclasm just doesn't cut it when it mattered(Tarmogoy, Bloodbraid, Exarch). The only time I see it being better than All is Dust mainboard is against white weenie(martyr proc, ww, soul sisters), or affinity.
I will hopefully be doing a few more this week.
P.S. sorry I suck at writing up tournament reports.
Hey Darkray, I saw you going 3-1 again last night too losing to Zoio playing that mono white deck with the Aeither Vials. I was hoping you would win cause I hate playing that deck lol, he got me too in round 4 (I was playing RUG not my RG tron list though).
The GW list looks interesting too and might be worth testing, I really found myself wanting better answers to burn and storm and white provides both.
I beat the red burn deck 2-0. It's not that rough, you just need to ramp quickly to get wurmcoil, and hope he doesn't have a perfect opening hand. Maybe there is a green card that can help with life gain that isn't junk, dunno modern card pool that well.
I swear, Zoio(caw blade) had a near infinite supply of counters. I also play caw blade(modern) and I almost never get draws like he did.
Just had a few questions about the deck and its future
Whats the best way to deal with the mirror?
Would it be best now to go from G/R to G/W? switching from Breach/burn to Paths/Board wipes?
Karn Tron doesn't run breach, just red sweepers. The reason we want white is for the SB cards mainly, it has good cards to fight burn, fast aggro, and storm which are decks we have problems with.
For the mirror its really who lands Karn first and eats the other players tron pieces. Ideal play is to have T3 tron active and drop a Karn. If you're on the draw and it looks like your opp will have T3 tron I try to search for a ghost quarter before they hit it.
This is my mono green Tron list.
It's pretty standard, however if you look closely you'll see that 4 Karn Liberated are missing, right now i can't afford a full set of them so i was wondering what cards could replace them.
Hhhmmm. The only other card I could think of is oblivion stone
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Maybe jam in the other 3 Wurmcoil Engines and an Oblivion Stone or something. Karn Liberated is really good in this deck, though. Imagine, on Turn 3, Liliana of the Veil, except 4 times bigger and more awesome. That's Karn. Sniping threatening permanents is very good, and his hand pressure is also decent. Now, I almost never -14 him.
He's a big, nasty threat. The best replacements for Karn in this deck are more threats.
What are people's thoughts on Mindslaver? I've found it underwhelming (though fun) in my testing. I've replaced all the main deck Mindslavers with Wurmcoil Engines, Steel Hellkite, and Ulamog. So far Hellkite hasn't been a factor in any match, so I may try Kozilek in its place. I don't regret getting rid of the Mindslavers though. Is it just me that thinks the deck can be better without them?
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...this is EDH. If you aren't trying to kill someone in the most ridiculous manner possible, you're doing it wrong.
EDH: Go Crazy or Go back to Standard.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
On Cockatrice, as soon as i drop MS and crack it in one turn, the opponents concedes.
I've had that happen too but it doesn't happen against good players.
On top of that you can easily make a lock with 1x Academy Ruins
Assuming you either get perfect draws (all the lands and land tutors you need) or your opponent does nothing for the first five turns. Against Twin, Storm, Affinity, Jund, and others you'll be dead by then. To have the Mindslaver lock what do you need in play? You need Academy Ruins, a way to make blue mana, and enough mana to cast Mindslaver, activate it, and then put it back on top of your library in one turn, right? (Assuming you have only drawn one of them.) So your board would have to look something like this, I'm thinking:
Urza's Mine
Urza's Power Plant x2
Urza's Tower x2
Academy Ruins
Prophetic Prism
Mindslaver
So the problem I've faced is getting all that assembled before getting killed.
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...this is EDH. If you aren't trying to kill someone in the most ridiculous manner possible, you're doing it wrong.
EDH: Go Crazy or Go back to Standard.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
You should drop Pyroclasm asap, or assemble the tron fast enough to drop Karn or All is Dust (run 2x or more, very important card).
I'm currently running one All is Dust in the main and Pyroclasms in the side. I've been thinking about moving a Pyroclasm to the main or going up to two All is Dust in the main. I'm leaning towards putting Pyroclasm in the main because All is Dust is a dead card against Affinity. What does your current list look like?
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...this is EDH. If you aren't trying to kill someone in the most ridiculous manner possible, you're doing it wrong.
EDH: Go Crazy or Go back to Standard.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
I said I've found Mindslaver underwhelming and that the deck can lose before getting enough pieces together to have the Mindslaver lock. I'd hardly call that "ranting about the deck losing to aggro." Chill out. I was going by the "stock" Green Tron list that runs four Mindslavers and one All is Dust in the main, with the Pyroclasms in the sideboard. Thanks for the alternative list though. I'll try it out with the Pyroclasms in the main.
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...this is EDH. If you aren't trying to kill someone in the most ridiculous manner possible, you're doing it wrong.
EDH: Go Crazy or Go back to Standard.
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Griselbrand is pretty straightforward (in the same way that a nuclear holocaust is straightforward); just draw some cards, beat some face, bathe in the blood of some innocent, and repeat.
I've never seen him come down smaller than 2/3.. obviously you can shrink him later with graveyard hate but it's rare that anyone actually plays him with only one type in all graveyards.
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lol you and me both =P. anyway is discussion pretty much done on this deck? is the build just to tight for innovation? im trying to figure out why discussion just died on it.
Cockatrice username: Blackcat77
4 Karn the Liberated
2 Garruk the Wildspeaker
4 Expedition Map
4 Sylvan Scrying
4 Ancient Stirring
4 GW Talisman
3 Primeval Titan
2 Emrakul
1 White Sun's Zenith
4 Wrath of God
3 Path to Exile
1 Crucible of Worlds
4 Urza's Powerplant
4 Urza's Mine
4 Temple Garden
4 Razorverge Thicket
2 Forest
2 Plains
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Path to Exile
1 Crucible of Worlds
3 Surgical Extraction
4 Naturalize
1 Day of Judgment
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Debtors' Knell
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My build is:
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Karn Liberated
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Chromatic Sphere
4 Chromatic Star
4 Expedition Map
4 Explore
4 Prophetic Prism
2 Pyroclasm
4 Sylvan Scrying
4 Talisman of Impulse
1 Academy Ruins
1 Ghost Quarter
4 Stomping Ground
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Tower
1 Pyroclasm
2 Mindslaver
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Obstinate Baloth
3 Ancient Grudge
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Seal of Primordium
2 Combust
My only loss came from a Death and Taxes deck.
round 1 Jund
I just exploded with great hands
1-0
round 2 Caw Blade
2-0
round 3 Death and Taxes
Land Destruction overwhelmed me.
2-1
round 4 red burn
despite how fast his deck is, mines was faster. and with no ability to counter or interrupt me from going off, he lost.
3-1
Thoughts:
Ulamog is definitely a good maindooard. He's great for those times where you just can't get to the requisite 12 mana(+ eye of ugin) for Emrakul, but Wurmcoil wouldn't do enough. I found myself coming up just a bit shy of Emrakul mana by turn 4-5 quite often, despite feeling that I had made the right choices for land tutoring, and Ulamog was a lifesaver in those situations.
All is Dust is a definite must. I ran my deck without it just because I couldn't get it in time before the daily and will be adding in at least one copy. Pyroclasm just doesn't cut it when it mattered(Tarmogoy, Bloodbraid, Exarch). The only time I see it being better than All is Dust mainboard is against white weenie(martyr proc, ww, soul sisters), or affinity.
I will hopefully be doing a few more this week.
P.S. sorry I suck at writing up tournament reports.
The GW list looks interesting too and might be worth testing, I really found myself wanting better answers to burn and storm and white provides both.
I swear, Zoio(caw blade) had a near infinite supply of counters. I also play caw blade(modern) and I almost never get draws like he did.
Whats the best way to deal with the mirror?
Would it be best now to go from G/R to G/W? switching from Breach/burn to Paths/Board wipes?
Karn Tron doesn't run breach, just red sweepers. The reason we want white is for the SB cards mainly, it has good cards to fight burn, fast aggro, and storm which are decks we have problems with.
For the mirror its really who lands Karn first and eats the other players tron pieces. Ideal play is to have T3 tron active and drop a Karn. If you're on the draw and it looks like your opp will have T3 tron I try to search for a ghost quarter before they hit it.
Hhhmmm. The only other card I could think of is oblivion stone
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He's a big, nasty threat. The best replacements for Karn in this deck are more threats.
I've had that happen too but it doesn't happen against good players.
Assuming you either get perfect draws (all the lands and land tutors you need) or your opponent does nothing for the first five turns. Against Twin, Storm, Affinity, Jund, and others you'll be dead by then. To have the Mindslaver lock what do you need in play? You need Academy Ruins, a way to make blue mana, and enough mana to cast Mindslaver, activate it, and then put it back on top of your library in one turn, right? (Assuming you have only drawn one of them.) So your board would have to look something like this, I'm thinking:
Urza's Mine
Urza's Power Plant x2
Urza's Tower x2
Academy Ruins
Prophetic Prism
Mindslaver
So the problem I've faced is getting all that assembled before getting killed.
I'm currently running one All is Dust in the main and Pyroclasms in the side. I've been thinking about moving a Pyroclasm to the main or going up to two All is Dust in the main. I'm leaning towards putting Pyroclasm in the main because All is Dust is a dead card against Affinity. What does your current list look like?
I said I've found Mindslaver underwhelming and that the deck can lose before getting enough pieces together to have the Mindslaver lock. I'd hardly call that "ranting about the deck losing to aggro." Chill out. I was going by the "stock" Green Tron list that runs four Mindslavers and one All is Dust in the main, with the Pyroclasms in the sideboard. Thanks for the alternative list though. I'll try it out with the Pyroclasms in the main.
I've never seen him come down smaller than 2/3.. obviously you can shrink him later with graveyard hate but it's rare that anyone actually plays him with only one type in all graveyards.
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