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Quote from ktkenshinx »Quote from Aazadan »Quote from ktkenshinx » I literally acknowledged GGT as a ban with minimal GP data, I.e. the battle of sideboards reference you are making, in the post I assume you are responding to. So I don't know why you are framing this as a no GP result = no ban scenario. As I posted on this same page and will repost now, GGT was banned with very few GP results, likely based off MTGO data. Hogaak could be the same case regardless of how the GP plays out. I know you are exceedingly skeptical of Wizards and routinely negative towards Modern over a good chunk of the last 3 years, but that doesn't mean you need to indict Wizards' handling of the current situation. At least, not until after the 8th. They knew what was going to happen with Eldrazi Winter but that PT still happened. What do you think the chances are that Wizards leaves Hogaak in with the express purpose of making it the level 0 deck at the Pro Tour, and seeing if the PT can define a new metagame first? The Eldrazi Winter timeline was a little different. The deck was largely off the radar until the PT. Then it broke out big at the PT, but Wizards didn't act immediately. There was significant cause for concern for a month or so, and then a triple GP weekend where Eldrazi ran absolutely rampant. Eye died at the next ban update, and there was no scheduled ban update between the PT and the GP weekend. With Hogaak, we actually have a B&R update scheduled before the PT, which gives Wizards an opportunity to act. I think this is largely dependent on the results this weekend. If it's a Hogaak fest, we'll probably see a ban based on GP and MTGO performance. If Hogaak falls flat on Day 2 and into the T32/16/8, or just matches performance with other top decks like Izzet Phoenix, Humans, and others, Wizards will probably wait until after the PT. I'm unwilling to make a final prediction until we have the results from this weekend.
Quote from Aazadan »Quote from ktkenshinx » I literally acknowledged GGT as a ban with minimal GP data, I.e. the battle of sideboards reference you are making, in the post I assume you are responding to. So I don't know why you are framing this as a no GP result = no ban scenario. As I posted on this same page and will repost now, GGT was banned with very few GP results, likely based off MTGO data. Hogaak could be the same case regardless of how the GP plays out. I know you are exceedingly skeptical of Wizards and routinely negative towards Modern over a good chunk of the last 3 years, but that doesn't mean you need to indict Wizards' handling of the current situation. At least, not until after the 8th. They knew what was going to happen with Eldrazi Winter but that PT still happened. What do you think the chances are that Wizards leaves Hogaak in with the express purpose of making it the level 0 deck at the Pro Tour, and seeing if the PT can define a new metagame first?
Quote from ktkenshinx » I literally acknowledged GGT as a ban with minimal GP data, I.e. the battle of sideboards reference you are making, in the post I assume you are responding to. So I don't know why you are framing this as a no GP result = no ban scenario. As I posted on this same page and will repost now, GGT was banned with very few GP results, likely based off MTGO data. Hogaak could be the same case regardless of how the GP plays out. I know you are exceedingly skeptical of Wizards and routinely negative towards Modern over a good chunk of the last 3 years, but that doesn't mean you need to indict Wizards' handling of the current situation. At least, not until after the 8th.
Quote from ed06288 »arclight phoenix still doing well, is phoenix a quiet offender?
Quote from Spsiegel1987 »Haha, Hoogak swings for 17 on turn 2 against burn, and Reid Duke on commentary says that wasn't even the best hand. This is definitely worthy of an emergency ban. I don't even know what should be banned, I think it'll honestly take both pieces of something. Hoogak was an extremely horribly designed mistake, and they printed this for modern so there's no excuse to say it slipped their radar.
Quote from idSurge »Comical really.
Quote from tronix »Quote from idSurge »Comical really.havnet seen any of the coverage yet, but comical sounds good to me. i hope bridgevine is hilarious in its performance. lets put this to bed sooner rather than later so the format can move on.
Quote from BloodyRabbit_01 »You can’t find me anywhere because I gave up on feeding the trolls. Hogaak is perfectly fine, imho, and the problem are players that desperately want to run their Midrange decks or go without proper sideboard in such an environment. Hogaak is certainly strong, a Tier 1, but non ‘busted’. As recent results confirm. I can definitely see a Bridge ban if it’s going to become oppressive, but the conversion rate is nowhere near a Tier 0 for the moment. I’ll remember that in Vintage 6-7 pieces of Grave hate is the norm. But in Modern, no, this is oppression!
Quote from Mtgthewary »Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
Quote from sisicat »If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Quote from Lord Seth » On what do you base the idea that "they knew what was going to happen with Eldrazi Winter"? That deck made its debut on the Pro Tour and was a big shock to pretty much everyone. You really think that the same Wizards of the Coast that missed a 2-card infinite combo in Standard (CopyCat) that the playerbase noticed immediately was somehow so prescient that they were able to see a deck coming in Modern that 99.999% of the playerbase didn't?
Quote from The Fluff »congrats on your victory Foodchain. so you were able to attend the large tourney. 3 hogaak in top 9. still not very many.