I didn't quite mean it's a conspiracy haha.. I'm just saying it's odd that they advertise that modern is this huge diverse format in one of the segments of the pro tour.. Yet every team was playing Eldrazi. It might as well have been standard with Chalices. If I had to put money on it, I would say that there is a big possibility pros get cut a check to brew what Wizards wants to see in the pro tour to push product. Then after the event, they release cards they found were good against them in their extensive testing to sell even more cards.
If Wizards just wants to do something like that in an effort to sell packs, they just have to do exactly what they did: make the cards overpowered for Modern. I can't really buy that they don't look at Modern when they print cards, it didn't really take much effort to brew up an Eldrazi list. Even the stock Bx ones were very good last set, and they got so many new tools that people realized were just broken. Oh, I can play 8 lands that give me two mana to cast spells? Yes, please. The only thing is that it's difficult to design new cards that don't break Standard but do break Modern.
I refuse to pay that much for a super narrow sideboard against a deck that could see a banning by April
Dont cry about Eldrazi being too strong if you refuse to board against them. No need to ban cards when there are good answers to it.
painter's servant is not really a "good" answer, its an answer alright but you actually need to drop it first turn (maybe with a simian spirit guide also) otherwise you are facing, eye-mimic, your turn, then temple into thought-knot transforming mimic and exiling your painter's servant...
Also I only see two kind of decks being able to run this kind of hate, affinity and blue moon.
Hoses Eye of Ugin, Eldrazi temple, Vile Aggregate, Ruination Guide and Eldrazi Mimic. Pyroclasm Ruination Guide, Eldrazi scions, Eldrazi Mimics, Eldrazi Obligator and Eldrazi Skyspawner and turn one Endless One.
Tron can also support it because it runs Ugin.
You don't need SSG if you are on the play, but yes you need to get it out fast. TKS is the biggest threat of the deck, not Eye of Ugin.
For anyone suggesting a "good answer", ask yourself if your "answer" folds to a card the Eldrazi lists already main deck. Secondly, if the "answer" is a single card it's not an answer. Artifact hate exists in green, red and white. That's a diverse array of answers to choose from for a deck like Affinity. Any good answer to Eldrazi would require a 1-2 mana enchantment, artifact and/or creature to give enough of the field a way to interact with it.
Stony Silence, Creeping Corrosion, Kataki, etc give options against artifacts, we would need answers of a similar calibre against Eldrazi.
Hoses Eye of Ugin, Eldrazi temple, Vile Aggregate, Ruination Guide and Eldrazi Mimic. Pyroclasm Ruination Guide, Eldrazi scions, Eldrazi Mimics, Eldrazi Obligator and Eldrazi Skyspawner and turn one Endless One.
Tron can also support it because it runs Ugin
It's a narrow answer, and they pack hand disruption and removal too. If you don't see it good luck. The only other options are cheap board wipes like pyroclasm or anger of the gods ect... However, the red wipes can't touch the larger guys and they can recover with eye of ugin tutoring up a threat every turn. Really, need somthing like toxic deluge. You could also try to attack there mana, but wizards has not printed good land destruction in a long time, and going all in would hurt your matchups against other decks. Boom // Bust and blood moon are a thing. You also still deal with their board from their initial hand dump.
Hoses Eye of Ugin, Eldrazi temple, Vile Aggregate, Ruination Guide and Eldrazi Mimic. Pyroclasm Ruination Guide, Eldrazi scions, Eldrazi Mimics, Eldrazi Obligator and Eldrazi Skyspawner and turn one Endless One.
Tron can also support it because it runs Ugin
It's narrow answer, and they pack hand disruption. If you don't see it good luck (sarcasm). The only other option are cheap board wipes like pyroclasm or anger of the gods ect... However, the red wipes can't touch the larger guys and they can recover with eye of ugin tutoring up a threat every turn. Really, need somthing like toxic deluge.
The Eldrazi decks were pretty slow with Eye of Ugin activations. They can't really support it as well as Tron. However, if you are first to get out servant, I don't see how they will ever resolve TKS/Reality Smasher. Yes, they have dismember, but they don't have it in hand every time and you just need to buy time. Eye of Ugin + Eldrazi temple generates 1 mana, so you are looking at a turn 5 Thought Knor Seer if they don't miss land drops. By that time you've probably already played what you needed to play. I think a properly tuned Tron list is favored against Eldrazi because of Pyroclasm + Painter + Ugin as well as Oblivion Stones and Karns
Nah, bro, I'll keep crying about it and just let the results get the deck banned.
If I'm playing a super narrow silver bullet, it better be backbreaking like stony silence, if I'm paying good money for a silver bullet, it'll be a moon or spellskite. Not paying panic money for a narrow card that I honestly don't think is never that great against them
Honestly, If I were a super spike I'd have the can't best them join them mentality, but I'm not spending the remaining 850 to buy a deck I think could possibly be banned in just a few months
Am I seriously supposed to pay 120 bucks for a crappy silver bullet?
Nah, that's ok, I'll let you guys duke it out, not like my jund deck will consistently beat it
Nah, bro, I'll keep crying about it and just let the results get the deck banned.
If I'm playing a super narrow silver bullet, it better be backbreaking like stony silence, if I'm paying good money for a silver bullet, it'll be a moon or spellskite. Not paying panic money for a narrow card that I honestly don't think is never that great against them
Honestly, If I were a super spike I'd have the can't best them join them mentality, but I'm not spending the remaining 850 to buy a deck I think could possibly be banned in just a few months
Am I seriously supposed to pay 120 bucks for a crappy silver bullet?
Nah, that's ok, I'll let you guys duke it out, not like my jund deck will consistently beat it
Well, it was $8 when I first mentioned it Blame the speculators / stores manipulating tcgplayer. BTW you can still get foils for 30 (Only the non foils have been bought out) so just spend the 120 on foils which are priced the same as nonfoil right now. You can always liquidate foil painters to imperial painter players and maybe vintage MS Paint if they ever decide to unrestrict Merchant Scroll. Fight colorless with color man
Man this is such a disaster for WotC right now. Right after the twin ban, there is no right move to make. Do an emergency ban, you'll fuel both the "rotating format" haters and the twin empathizers (even though neither actually apply here). Wait until the next ban cycle and modern players will have to trudge through this brave new eldrazi world for three months, either getting entirely sick of it or joining in and then getting pissy when it gets banned
The only good end to this is if people find some (AFFORDABLE) tech that actually properly stops the deck, but against a deck with sol lands in a format where land destruction is bad (also WotC's "fault") I don't see that happening
How many of you are actually going to daily encounter this Eldrazi deck? It's not like you are all playing in the pro tour. Of course there are some people that spend lots of money to get the cards. But at your local FNM or your pickup games how many times will you encounter this deck?
All this doom saying, ban screaming and crying over a card game. Just play the game and enjoy it if you are matched against an Eldrazi deck well tough luck then. Do your best and go down swinging.
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I would be ok with no Pro tour if wizards would unban every card on the ban list and stop using the ban list as a pseudo rotation. It's all about them making money and not about the health of the format. If they are going to wait until March to make a decision it's proof its about making money since the new standard set drops in April by then the cash cow Oath will be running dry before they make a decision.
Just what we need, another older, unsupported format players can complain doesnt get enough love from Wotc, but is the greatest format in the World!!!
Great to some of the player base, and great to Wotc are 2 very different things.
Ditch the PT and watch Modern die.
Legacy and EDH do pretty well with no PT, and Modern would still have tons of GP, Opens, and PPTQs. Aren't you the one that always argues that it's local players that matter and not pros.
With Madness returning and how strangely similar to ONS block some stuff felt during THS-KTK, I really wish MaRo had a seizure and regressed to his Odyssey-Torment levels of relentless hatred for creatures.
Banned splinter twin in the interest of format diversity
Eldrazi decks being 6 in the top 8, affinity being the other 2 lead to a pt for the first time having so few different decks in the top
If wotc emergency bans the deck, they'll anger so many players and vendors
If wotc waits 3 to 6 months, players could become incredibly upset if the deck dominates and they have to play this deck on a daily basis
If GP's and other opens have a lower attendance they face a huge issue of endangering the format
This is an absolute mess
And who was the eldrazi designer? Ian duke? That moron said he and his team were aware of eye of ugin and temple when they made this. They knew better, this wasn't some obscure card that broke the eldrazi tribe
And their answer to fighting eldrazi was some lame ass madness card
Wotc, this is probably your biggest mess since affinity and caw blade
How many of you are actually going to daily encounter this Eldrazi deck? It's not like you are all playing in the pro tour. Of course there are some people that spend lots of money to get the cards. But at your local FNM or your pickup games how many times will you encounter this deck?
All this doom saying, ban screaming and crying over a card game. Just play the game and enjoy it if you are matched against an Eldrazi deck well tough luck then. Do your best and go down swinging.
I don't have The deck in paper because i miss remembered having 3 eyes of Ugin And Now i Will Not pay for 2, i m actually selling them
Well, they made a few mistakes that even us deck brewers didn't catch. It took an entire team of deck brewers testing vigorously to figure out the colorless and UR listings we are seeing now, and it is painting a pretty picture (no pun intended) of what kind of bullets are needed come next block. One, we need a non-critter permanent that does what painter's servant does. There is a very good reason people are buying out 4 at a time. The reason it isn't the best answer is that it is basically Magus of the moon.
But yeah, the main issue that my gut is telling me is that they likely already have the print runs scheduled for the next block, so they can't just emergency stick in a new printing for the upcoming shadows block. That means they either have to reprint painter's servant or some other counter cards in a supplementary product if they don't already have counters coming next set, or temp ban Eye of Ugin until they can get the counters into play. And I do mean temp ban because if they perma-ban it people will be raging into the hillocks thanks to how popular eldrazi are right now.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Painter's Servant does not actually hose them down fully. Eldrazi has several answers to it. It is a creature susceptible to removal.
However, an artifact for 1 that achieves the same thing to hose it would put the deck back in check.
To beat the dead horse others have already beaten, I'll reiterate the thought that it's really a shame there wasn't any hate printed directly for this archetype. You'd think that for a set predicated on the idea that the good guys won that they'd have to tools to oppress colorless creatures (which admittedly would have a notable effect on Affinity as well).
Oh my god, I just had an epiphany for a card that could be run that should really slow the deck down: Porphyry Nodes. It's a one drop, it doesn't target, it can kill a mimic dropped T1 and come back to kill a T2 Seer unless they hold back, which is sort of a lose lose situation for them since it gives you time to stabilize. Also, since it's an enchantment, they can't easily get rid of it. With Nodes and Path that might slow them down considerably. Also Nodes isn't a bad choice against other decks so it's not totally narrow as a sideboard choice.
I would be ok with no Pro tour if wizards would unban every card on the ban list and stop using the ban list as a pseudo rotation. It's all about them making money and not about the health of the format. If they are going to wait until March to make a decision it's proof its about making money since the new standard set drops in April by then the cash cow Oath will be running dry before they make a decision.
Just what we need, another older, unsupported format players can complain doesnt get enough love from Wotc, but is the greatest format in the World!!!
Great to some of the player base, and great to Wotc are 2 very different things.
Ditch the PT and watch Modern die.
Legacy and EDH do pretty well with no PT, and Modern would still have tons of GP, Opens, and PPTQs. Aren't you the one that always argues that it's local players that matter and not pros.
Again, what is a success to the players, and what is a success to Wotc are 2 very different things. If Wotc cant market Modern to the PT, you honestly think Wotc is going to keep the GP's? How many Legacy GP's are there? EDH? You are good relying on SCG events to shape the format?
I do feel Wotc has to worry more about the local players (many more local players then higher level players) for the LGS sake. But there has to be a balance of formats they can support to both local and higher level events.
I would be ok with no Pro tour if wizards would unban every card on the ban list and stop using the ban list as a pseudo rotation. It's all about them making money and not about the health of the format. If they are going to wait until March to make a decision it's proof its about making money since the new standard set drops in April by then the cash cow Oath will be running dry before they make a decision.
Just what we need, another older, unsupported format players can complain doesnt get enough love from Wotc, but is the greatest format in the World!!!
Great to some of the player base, and great to Wotc are 2 very different things.
Ditch the PT and watch Modern die.
Legacy and EDH do pretty well with no PT, and Modern would still have tons of GP, Opens, and PPTQs. Aren't you the one that always argues that it's local players that matter and not pros.
Again, what is a success to the players, and what is a success to Wotc are 2 very different things. If Wotc cant market Modern to the PT, you honestly think Wotc is going to keep the GP's? How many Legacy GP's are there? EDH? You are good relying on SCG events to shape the format?
I do feel Wotc has to worry more about the local players (many more local players then higher level players) for the LGS sake. But there has to be a balance of formats they can support to both local and higher level events.
Both formats are exponentially larger than they were 5 years ago and have led to tons of sales. EDH gets an annual product that is great for WotC's sales isn't it. Legacy GPs are exceptionally well attended. There's even a pretty successful Duel Commander format. I just don't get why you argue that it only matters what happens at the local level but then insist that the PT is what keeps Modern alive?
The only kind of "answer" that would be relevant in format as fast as modern is a 2 Mana Enchantment/Artifact such as Stony Silence to address Eldrazi. Or a sorcery that does something like makes an opponent sacrifice two Eldrazi permanents.
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Dont cry about Eldrazi being too strong if you refuse to board against them. No need to ban cards when there are good answers to it.
painter's servant is not really a "good" answer, its an answer alright but you actually need to drop it first turn (maybe with a simian spirit guide also) otherwise you are facing, eye-mimic, your turn, then temple into thought-knot transforming mimic and exiling your painter's servant...
Also I only see two kind of decks being able to run this kind of hate, affinity and blue moon.
Hoses Eye of Ugin, Eldrazi temple, Vile Aggregate, Ruination Guide and Eldrazi Mimic. Pyroclasm Ruination Guide, Eldrazi scions, Eldrazi Mimics, Eldrazi Obligator and Eldrazi Skyspawner and turn one Endless One.
Tron can also support it because it runs Ugin.
You don't need SSG if you are on the play, but yes you need to get it out fast. TKS is the biggest threat of the deck, not Eye of Ugin.
Stony Silence, Creeping Corrosion, Kataki, etc give options against artifacts, we would need answers of a similar calibre against Eldrazi.
It's a narrow answer, and they pack hand disruption and removal too. If you don't see it good luck.
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The Eldrazi decks were pretty slow with Eye of Ugin activations. They can't really support it as well as Tron. However, if you are first to get out servant, I don't see how they will ever resolve TKS/Reality Smasher. Yes, they have dismember, but they don't have it in hand every time and you just need to buy time. Eye of Ugin + Eldrazi temple generates 1 mana, so you are looking at a turn 5 Thought Knor Seer if they don't miss land drops. By that time you've probably already played what you needed to play. I think a properly tuned Tron list is favored against Eldrazi because of Pyroclasm + Painter + Ugin as well as Oblivion Stones and Karns
If I'm playing a super narrow silver bullet, it better be backbreaking like stony silence, if I'm paying good money for a silver bullet, it'll be a moon or spellskite. Not paying panic money for a narrow card that I honestly don't think is never that great against them
Honestly, If I were a super spike I'd have the can't best them join them mentality, but I'm not spending the remaining 850 to buy a deck I think could possibly be banned in just a few months
Am I seriously supposed to pay 120 bucks for a crappy silver bullet?
Nah, that's ok, I'll let you guys duke it out, not like my jund deck will consistently beat it
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Modern -
3 Eldrazi decks in the top 4...
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Well, it was $8 when I first mentioned it
The only good end to this is if people find some (AFFORDABLE) tech that actually properly stops the deck, but against a deck with sol lands in a format where land destruction is bad (also WotC's "fault") I don't see that happening
All this doom saying, ban screaming and crying over a card game. Just play the game and enjoy it if you are matched against an Eldrazi deck well tough luck then. Do your best and go down swinging.
Modern - Burn
EDH - Neheb the Eternal
Legacy and EDH do pretty well with no PT, and Modern would still have tons of GP, Opens, and PPTQs. Aren't you the one that always argues that it's local players that matter and not pros.
Banned splinter twin in the interest of format diversity
Eldrazi decks being 6 in the top 8, affinity being the other 2 lead to a pt for the first time having so few different decks in the top
If wotc emergency bans the deck, they'll anger so many players and vendors
If wotc waits 3 to 6 months, players could become incredibly upset if the deck dominates and they have to play this deck on a daily basis
If GP's and other opens have a lower attendance they face a huge issue of endangering the format
This is an absolute mess
And who was the eldrazi designer? Ian duke? That moron said he and his team were aware of eye of ugin and temple when they made this. They knew better, this wasn't some obscure card that broke the eldrazi tribe
And their answer to fighting eldrazi was some lame ass madness card
Wotc, this is probably your biggest mess since affinity and caw blade
I don't have The deck in paper because i miss remembered having 3 eyes of Ugin And Now i Will Not pay for 2, i m actually selling them
But yeah, the main issue that my gut is telling me is that they likely already have the print runs scheduled for the next block, so they can't just emergency stick in a new printing for the upcoming shadows block. That means they either have to reprint painter's servant or some other counter cards in a supplementary product if they don't already have counters coming next set, or temp ban Eye of Ugin until they can get the counters into play. And I do mean temp ban because if they perma-ban it people will be raging into the hillocks thanks to how popular eldrazi are right now.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
However, an artifact for 1 that achieves the same thing to hose it would put the deck back in check.
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Oh my god, I just had an epiphany for a card that could be run that should really slow the deck down: Porphyry Nodes. It's a one drop, it doesn't target, it can kill a mimic dropped T1 and come back to kill a T2 Seer unless they hold back, which is sort of a lose lose situation for them since it gives you time to stabilize. Also, since it's an enchantment, they can't easily get rid of it. With Nodes and Path that might slow them down considerably. Also Nodes isn't a bad choice against other decks so it's not totally narrow as a sideboard choice.
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Again, what is a success to the players, and what is a success to Wotc are 2 very different things. If Wotc cant market Modern to the PT, you honestly think Wotc is going to keep the GP's? How many Legacy GP's are there? EDH? You are good relying on SCG events to shape the format?
I do feel Wotc has to worry more about the local players (many more local players then higher level players) for the LGS sake. But there has to be a balance of formats they can support to both local and higher level events.
Both formats are exponentially larger than they were 5 years ago and have led to tons of sales. EDH gets an annual product that is great for WotC's sales isn't it. Legacy GPs are exceptionally well attended. There's even a pretty successful Duel Commander format. I just don't get why you argue that it only matters what happens at the local level but then insist that the PT is what keeps Modern alive?