I for one intend to bring Soul Sisters to GP Richmond, what I'm trying to work out is my sideboard. With the rise of Faeries and Zoo I decided to swap out one Auriok Champion in the main for another Anthem effect. +1/+1s for my entire team help against creature match ups also will help against all the Pyroclasms and Drown in Sorrows people are going to use to combat Faeries and Zoo.
I'm worried the most about Pod. Pod arguably gains the most from the update in the banlist. It doesn't care much for aggro decks and fewer decks have mainboard grave hate to stop combo.
Honestly I expect the meta to swing more towards Combo with Twin and Pod dominating in numbers. I had not really considered an uprising in Grixis control so that I will have to consider.
The Tron matchup while scary and an uphill battle is entirely winnable. My current record against Tron is 2-1-1
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Against faeries, Celestial Purge really shines, so I could maybe see esper, but the ultimate sideboard card versus faeries I think will end up being volcanic fallout.
How does Celestial Purge really shine? The only targets it seems to have are Bitterblossom and Bitterblossom tokens. And while losing a card to take out a Bitterblossom is not a bad deal, the fact is that in about half of their games they won't be drawing Bitterblossom, so Celestial Purge will sit in your hand useless unless there's some other big black or red permanent they have that I'm missing.
I guess I meant more that is it good and it already isn't bad in the board in the first place. It is a card that I would side in against faeries every time if it was in my board, as the only card they have that beats America, IMO, is Bitterblossom, otherwise they just can't beat a resolved geist with counterspell/removal mana up...
I've typically found that even Bitterblossom alone cannot beat Traft with counter/removal up--Bitterblossom needs anthem/Scion of Oona support or all it does is attract removal and burn its controller.
Pod was already one of the strongest decks in Modern, the fall of Jund means that Pod and Twin will likely take its place. Theres a reason I added in extra Pod hate to my sideboard.
Its a combo deck so it doesn't really care about the game plan of other decks and even if it can't combo off it can still crank out a bunch of value and beat someone's face in. It will probably take a little while because of the influx of Zoo and Faeries deck, but I believe Pod will reign over the meta until the next ban list update.
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Pod is a deck with a plan, compared to jund that is a goodstuff.deck it can be easily hated out if needed.
You can beat a strategy, you cannot beat all the best cards of a format put together.
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Pod is a deck with a plan, compared to jund that is a goodstuff.deck it can be easily hated out if needed.
You can beat a strategy, you cannot beat all the best cards of a format put together.
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I agree, this is true. There are a lot of high impact cards in the match-up vs. either version, and most decks can already interact with the creature-based plan.
I have to pillars of flame, 3 cages, 2 stony silances and one clasm in my side, and I've been fine with pod now, and thats coming from zoo.
As far as touri results, there was a gp trial 2 days ago, and a guy took my zoo list (aggro small, no burning tree, but E1) and got 3/4th place with it. Lost to a Mel Pod.
I checked out the events which have fired so far, saw no faeries at 4-0. A lot of affinity, zoo, BW tokens, pod and one jund deck. Also saw a mill deck.
I checked out the events which have fired so far, saw no faeries at 4-0. A lot of affinity, zoo, BW tokens, pod and one jund deck. Also saw a mill deck.
I checked out the events which have fired so far, saw no faeries at 4-0. A lot of affinity, zoo, BW tokens, pod and one jund deck. Also saw a mill deck.
Where does one find the deck lists for these?
I agree where is that foud?
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Am I missing something or there's only 3 faeries decks in the 29 shown?
On the other hand, there's no jund in sight... (which kind of amazes me, if anyone wants to give their MTGO jund deck away, I'm a grateful recipient! )
The UWR (either midrange or control) also seem to be falling to the wayside... only one present in the 29.
the results of only 1 daily a day isn't really enough data. plus a lot of people probably just hit "abandon ship" with jund, rather than try out new things with it. they'll wait until after the PT and GP to pick it up again.
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the results of only 1 daily a day isn't really enough data. plus a lot of people probably just hit "abandon ship" with jund, rather than try out new things with it. they'll wait until after the PT and GP to pick it up again.
As part of the Proven/Established tracking, I am recording not only the public dailies, but also the non-public dailies for the next few weeks. This will beef up our dataset to account for a rapidly shifting metagame (and the fact that the decks from 2/1 - 2/12 didn't account for the B&R update, so aren't worth considering for the dataset). From the 5 dailies I have recorded so far, I will say that Zoo is doing well but not dominating, Jund is basically gone, Faeries isn't doing as well as Zoo, and a bunch of fringe decks (Storm, DredgeVine, BW Tokens) seem to be doing better than they once did. But as we know, it's too early and too little data to draw conclusions.
Yeah the whole meta is still undefinded. Zoo is over represented, though all the zoo guys are doing fairly well. In the recorded list today there was 3 fae, 5 zoo, if you were wondering. I did a break down on my zoo thread.
So, any opinions as to whether the format's currently a Blood Moon format or a Magus of the Moon format?
That is to say I'm once more getting the impression that Blood Moon is worth playing and I'm wondering if we're at a point where the version with a body is back to being playable or if it's still too liable to dying?
So, any opinions as to whether the format's currently a Blood Moon format or a Magus of the Moon format?
That is to say I'm once more getting the impression that Blood Moon is worth playing and I'm wondering if we're at a point where the version with a body is back to being playable or if it's still too liable to dying?
Both of these cards are significantly better with DRS now gone. There are two reasons for this. First, it means that cheap mana fixing isn't as prevalent for players to get around the Moon effect. One of the biggest problems with the Moons in my testing was that many decks could play around it. Melira Pod and all the BGx decks just didn't care. Nor did Affinity, but that was for other reasons. With those 3 decks making up at least 30% of the metagame, Moon was just too ineffective in too many games, and the big reason for this was the manafixing that DRS offered in 2 of those 3 decks.
Second, the metagame is probably going to shift towards decks that are more vulnerable to Moon. Zoo itself doesn't care that much about Moon, but the decks that beat Zoo definitely care. All those midrange players that will rely on Finks and sweepers are going to hate to see an opposing Moon. Couple that with the decline of BGx and the rise of decks to take its place (like BW Tokens, UW Midrange, etc.), and we will likely see a metagame where Blood Moon/Magus of the Moon are much better than they were before the B&R update.
I cracked out my blood moon lock deck back out now that deathrites gone down... so both
Blood moon will always be better. When you lock the mana down to a card that dies from bolt, which is casted off red and kills the effect... Moon will be better, as the colors that kill it are green and white.
I'm worried the most about Pod. Pod arguably gains the most from the update in the banlist. It doesn't care much for aggro decks and fewer decks have mainboard grave hate to stop combo.
Honestly I expect the meta to swing more towards Combo with Twin and Pod dominating in numbers. I had not really considered an uprising in Grixis control so that I will have to consider.
The Tron matchup while scary and an uphill battle is entirely winnable. My current record against Tron is 2-1-1
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How does Celestial Purge really shine? The only targets it seems to have are Bitterblossom and Bitterblossom tokens. And while losing a card to take out a Bitterblossom is not a bad deal, the fact is that in about half of their games they won't be drawing Bitterblossom, so Celestial Purge will sit in your hand useless unless there's some other big black or red permanent they have that I'm missing.
That's actually far more than Combust has going for it unless Sower of Temptation sees play.
Do you have a link to the top 8/16?
Its a combo deck so it doesn't really care about the game plan of other decks and even if it can't combo off it can still crank out a bunch of value and beat someone's face in. It will probably take a little while because of the influx of Zoo and Faeries deck, but I believe Pod will reign over the meta until the next ban list update.
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You can beat a strategy, you cannot beat all the best cards of a format put together.
- L
"The problem isn't when Scissors says Rock is overpowered, it's when Paper says it is."
-Mark Rosewater
I'm not worried about Pod. I'm worried about Hatebears.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
I agree, this is true. There are a lot of high impact cards in the match-up vs. either version, and most decks can already interact with the creature-based plan.
As far as touri results, there was a gp trial 2 days ago, and a guy took my zoo list (aggro small, no burning tree, but E1) and got 3/4th place with it. Lost to a Mel Pod.
Ux Whirza
Rb Goblins
Legacy
U Urza Stompy
Duel Commander
Sai, Master Thopterist
Where does one find the deck lists for these?
I agree where is that foud?
Ux Whirza
Rb Goblins
Legacy
U Urza Stompy
Duel Commander
Sai, Master Thopterist
lots of 3-1 faeries. interesting.
Am I missing something or there's only 3 faeries decks in the 29 shown?
On the other hand, there's no jund in sight... (which kind of amazes me, if anyone wants to give their MTGO jund deck away, I'm a grateful recipient! )
The UWR (either midrange or control) also seem to be falling to the wayside... only one present in the 29.
As part of the Proven/Established tracking, I am recording not only the public dailies, but also the non-public dailies for the next few weeks. This will beef up our dataset to account for a rapidly shifting metagame (and the fact that the decks from 2/1 - 2/12 didn't account for the B&R update, so aren't worth considering for the dataset). From the 5 dailies I have recorded so far, I will say that Zoo is doing well but not dominating, Jund is basically gone, Faeries isn't doing as well as Zoo, and a bunch of fringe decks (Storm, DredgeVine, BW Tokens) seem to be doing better than they once did. But as we know, it's too early and too little data to draw conclusions.
That is to say I'm once more getting the impression that Blood Moon is worth playing and I'm wondering if we're at a point where the version with a body is back to being playable or if it's still too liable to dying?
Both of these cards are significantly better with DRS now gone. There are two reasons for this. First, it means that cheap mana fixing isn't as prevalent for players to get around the Moon effect. One of the biggest problems with the Moons in my testing was that many decks could play around it. Melira Pod and all the BGx decks just didn't care. Nor did Affinity, but that was for other reasons. With those 3 decks making up at least 30% of the metagame, Moon was just too ineffective in too many games, and the big reason for this was the manafixing that DRS offered in 2 of those 3 decks.
Second, the metagame is probably going to shift towards decks that are more vulnerable to Moon. Zoo itself doesn't care that much about Moon, but the decks that beat Zoo definitely care. All those midrange players that will rely on Finks and sweepers are going to hate to see an opposing Moon. Couple that with the decline of BGx and the rise of decks to take its place (like BW Tokens, UW Midrange, etc.), and we will likely see a metagame where Blood Moon/Magus of the Moon are much better than they were before the B&R update.
The inherently more resilient enchantment, or the body that can chip in some damage?
Blood moon will always be better. When you lock the mana down to a card that dies from bolt, which is casted off red and kills the effect... Moon will be better, as the colors that kill it are green and white.