Rec Sage isnt a tutorable answer for RIP. Also Golgari Charm is pretty clutch in some matchups
Good catch. No delirium if RIP is on the field.
I'm open to golgari charm. Seems quite good actually. Several of the best cards against this deck are enchantments (leyline, worship, blood moon, rest in peace) Isn't maelstrom pulse better? Hard to know I guess, but it has further-reaching uses.
Being instant is good I suppose. Decent against Affinity too I'm guessing.
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This deck has exploded around my area where anyone that was playing Jund is now trying this out. I think that this deck is really performing well as hyper-agro version of original Jund.
Is there a concensus on when to take out what against:
Jund/Junk
Eldrazi
Tron
Affinity
?
To answer your question, I think that against Affinity we should have the upper hand where that we enough big creature put on quick and they have to block to even stay alive. Affinity doesn't have much removal for Death's Shadow except for possible tech of Fatal Push but I haven't see them use that card much lately, what to cut out?
Rec Sage isnt a tutorable answer for RIP. Also Golgari Charm is pretty clutch in some matchups
Good catch. No delirium if RIP is on the field.
I'm open to golgari charm. Seems quite good actually. Several of the best cards against this deck are enchantments (leyline, worship, blood moon, rest in peace) Isn't maelstrom pulse better? Hard to know I guess, but it has further-reaching uses.
Being instant is good I suppose. Decent against Affinity too I'm guessing.
Rec Sage is still the best option against Blood Moon. Would be very hard to get our only Swamp AND Forest for an untutorable Golgari Charm. Much easier to fetch a forest early if you know you're up against Blood Moon and then get Rec Sage. Pulse could be used later if they draw a second Moon.
This deck has exploded around my area where anyone that was playing Jund is now trying this out. I think that this deck is really performing well as hyper-agro version of original Jund.
Is there a concensus on when to take out what against:
Jund/Junk
Eldrazi
Tron
Affinity
?
To answer your question, I think that against Affinity we should have the upper hand where that we enough big creature put on quick and they have to block to even stay alive. Affinity doesn't have much removal for Death's Shadow except for possible tech of Fatal Push but I haven't see them use that card much lately, what to cut out?
Their main outs are Galvanic Blast (main), Dismember (definitely in sb), or dispatch (very few lists run it). Affinity is my other Modern deck.
Also I definitely forgot about rec sage not being tutorable against RIP, but usually you would make them discard it first. Its still relevant against blood moon/worship/leyline/ensnaring bridge.
Is there a concensus on when to take out what against:
Jund/Junk
Eldrazi
Tron
Affinity
?
To answer your question, I think that against Affinity we should have the upper hand where that we enough big creature put on quick and they have to block to even stay alive. Affinity doesn't have much removal for Death's Shadow except for possible tech of Fatal Push but I haven't see them use that card much lately, what to cut out?
Well, thats not really a precise answer. So do you sideboard similarly like normal Jund? I am guessing shaving TS is the first to do. Next LoTV seems obvious. But anything else actually for Affinity?
For Burn I am thinking: Cut all TS and Street Wraith against Burn.
For Jund/Junk: I am thinking cutting discard and collective Brutality basically, but all of it? Or just a few numbers?
I don't cut wraith against burn, but do cut down on thoughtseize. Against affinity, I drop the thoughtseize and lotv for more spot removal and such.
Is there a matchup where you cut wraiths?
Can't think of one besides burn.
Wraith should be treated as a free cantrip with upside and i would never cut back on cantrips and decrease your consistency.
That's not true, between Ghash's77 vids and Gerry/Sam Black, Black Wraith is not always a 100% keep, they cut some copies against Affinity and Burn
I don't cut wraith against burn, but do cut down on thoughtseize. Against affinity, I drop the thoughtseize and lotv for more spot removal and such.
Is there a matchup where you cut wraiths?
Can't think of one besides burn.
Wraith should be treated as a free cantrip with upside and i would never cut back on cantrips and decrease your consistency.
That's not true, between Ghash's77 vids and Gerry/Sam Black, Black Wraith is not always a 100% keep, they cut some copies against Affinity and Burn
I know it depends on the number of cards you are bringing in, but would not LotV be the first card to cut against affinity?
It depends which Lilly you're running. You don't want to be going to 10 life turn 2 against Affinity though.
You can gmcut Thoughtseize, some waiths and your lotvs.
Lilly the last hope is suitable, 2+ Ancient Grudge, 1+ Anger/Kozilek Return, +1 Fatal Push/Removal
If you're running the white splash, I imagine you could consider cutting either the Lilly, the Last Hope, and some form of Temur Battle Rages and Ghor, just be careful you aren't overloading the 3 cmc drops, even if they can be blowout cards.
Etched Champion is their path to victory backed by another pressure piece. If they land Champion and you lay down 2 big threats you can race them or force awkward blocks by Etched Champion
Just because the deck runs fatal pushes, K-Commands and Tarfires does not mean you want to skimp out on Ancient Grudges
When you're up against Hyper Aggro decks it's not always wrong to shave thoughtseizes and Wraiths, I am discovering that cutting Baubles should never happen. Sometimes you can cut a forest on the draw against certain decks if you're going for speed and cutting the slower cards.
I suppose that makes sense. I'll start cutting them vs burn. Do you guys cut all 4 before your thoughtseize and LotV?
I wouldn't cut all 4, I'd cut like 3.
You want to be careful about trimming thoughtseize, you need to snag away Eidolons, Paths and most of all, Palm, if they land a palm you're definitely losing
Their main outs are Galvanic Blast (main), Dismember (definitely in sb), or dispatch (very few lists run it). Affinity is my other Modern deck.
Also I definitely forgot about rec sage not being tutorable against RIP, but usually you would make them discard it first. Its still relevant against blood moon/worship/leyline/ensnaring bridge.
I do admit that Blood Moon and Ensnaring Bridge 'really' hurts this deck. I honestly haven't seen many decks use Blood Moon all that much lately.
Is there any consensus on what the "core" cards are? That might be something useful for the primer.
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Jund/Junk
Eldrazi
Tron
Affinity
?
Good catch. No delirium if RIP is on the field.
I'm open to golgari charm. Seems quite good actually. Several of the best cards against this deck are enchantments (leyline, worship, blood moon, rest in peace) Isn't maelstrom pulse better? Hard to know I guess, but it has further-reaching uses.
Being instant is good I suppose. Decent against Affinity too I'm guessing.
To answer your question, I think that against Affinity we should have the upper hand where that we enough big creature put on quick and they have to block to even stay alive. Affinity doesn't have much removal for Death's Shadow except for possible tech of Fatal Push but I haven't see them use that card much lately, what to cut out?
Rec Sage is still the best option against Blood Moon. Would be very hard to get our only Swamp AND Forest for an untutorable Golgari Charm. Much easier to fetch a forest early if you know you're up against Blood Moon and then get Rec Sage. Pulse could be used later if they draw a second Moon.
Their main outs are Galvanic Blast (main), Dismember (definitely in sb), or dispatch (very few lists run it). Affinity is my other Modern deck.
Also I definitely forgot about rec sage not being tutorable against RIP, but usually you would make them discard it first. Its still relevant against blood moon/worship/leyline/ensnaring bridge.
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Well, thats not really a precise answer. So do you sideboard similarly like normal Jund? I am guessing shaving TS is the first to do. Next LoTV seems obvious. But anything else actually for Affinity?
For Burn I am thinking: Cut all TS and Street Wraith against Burn.
For Jund/Junk: I am thinking cutting discard and collective Brutality basically, but all of it? Or just a few numbers?
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Kiki Chord, Zoo variants, Goblins, Burn
Is there a matchup where you cut wraiths?
Cut the temur, Tarfires, and 1 Ghor Rampager
That's 6 slots. That's also the general way to cut against Grixis Control, too.
Against Abzan, cut
Temur, Tarfires. K commands arent good (Since they run path)
That's not true, between Ghash's77 vids and Gerry/Sam Black, Black Wraith is not always a 100% keep, they cut some copies against Affinity and Burn
Thought so as well, they seem very bad here, even if they are cantrips.
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It depends which Lilly you're running. You don't want to be going to 10 life turn 2 against Affinity though.
You can gmcut Thoughtseize, some waiths and your lotvs.
Lilly the last hope is suitable, 2+ Ancient Grudge, 1+ Anger/Kozilek Return, +1 Fatal Push/Removal
If you're running the white splash, I imagine you could consider cutting either the Lilly, the Last Hope, and some form of Temur Battle Rages and Ghor, just be careful you aren't overloading the 3 cmc drops, even if they can be blowout cards.
Etched Champion is their path to victory backed by another pressure piece. If they land Champion and you lay down 2 big threats you can race them or force awkward blocks by Etched Champion
Just because the deck runs fatal pushes, K-Commands and Tarfires does not mean you want to skimp out on Ancient Grudges
When you're up against Hyper Aggro decks it's not always wrong to shave thoughtseizes and Wraiths, I am discovering that cutting Baubles should never happen. Sometimes you can cut a forest on the draw against certain decks if you're going for speed and cutting the slower cards.
I wouldn't cut all 4, I'd cut like 3.
You want to be careful about trimming thoughtseize, you need to snag away Eidolons, Paths and most of all, Palm, if they land a palm you're definitely losing
I do admit that Blood Moon and Ensnaring Bridge 'really' hurts this deck. I honestly haven't seen many decks use Blood Moon all that much lately.
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I'd say that the deck is pretty much Jund except they run Street Wraith, Temur Battle Rage, Mishra's Bauble, Tarfire, Ghor-Clan Rampager and of course Death's Shadow. Probably more cards out there being used, but that is what comes to mind right now.
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What would you side in?
For me, burn is more of a race. So:
1x Collective Brutality
2x Surgical Extraction
1x ghost quarter
2x Lingering Souls (not sure if this should be a fulminator mage?)
I definitely think we should test out Blessed Alliance
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