Bant Eldrazi is here to stay barring any surprising bans
Eldrazi Tron still isn't a proven deck
Jund still has discard, goyf into reach.
I definitely appreciate the creative deck proposed, but at the end of the day, Jund is old reliable, it's never a bad meta call even with all this ramp and combo.
I may not be on the Jund wagon right now, but this is still a tier 1 deck and it's my favorite archetype.
I agree with Spsiegel1987, I think going this route just seems a little bit too cute to me. Death Shadow, Eldrazi decks and big mana decks are the decks to beat now. I think going into a slower direction is actually not a very good idea, our biggest problem is, and will always be Tron. We basically have game against the rest, even Eldrazi and Death Shadow now, although it certainly isn't easy. Tron will always be almost impossible to beat. I can see Death Shadow be quite popular now, which would push tron kinda out of the meta potentially, which I also wouldn't mind personally.
The thing is, Eldrazi, Tron and midrange decks might be very popular now, but I can safely bet that, in a given tournament, you will always face fast aggro-ish decks no matter what. We still should be able to win those matchups as well. What do you do against Burn and Affinity? Both these decks are also vastly present.
Therefore I think sticking to a somewhat balanced strategy between low to the ground and go wide is the way to go. Fine tunings should then be adjusted according to specific meta predictions (like we saw it with maindecking 2 Fulminator Mages for tron in Jund, I think you just can't just do much more about it, because by cutting and changing too many cards you give up too many percentage points for other important matchups, which people tend to forget)
I think Delirium Jund in general is an interesting tangent. I've tinkered with the idea before. The big problem was generally having a pay-out. However, I think what I should have realized is that Traverse the Ulvenwald is a payout in a toolbox Jund setup.
I just realized something this week. I own a majority of the huge staple cards in the format. Why?
I played abzan company in Philly for the first time this week, I went undefeated with junk last week, I started off 0 and 2 this Monday and just dropped, feeling pretty crappy over a fun hobby.
You know, I'm thinking about it a lot, I'm beginning to think I'm just going to stick with the Gbx archetype. I can keep burn in case my wife ever wants to get into the hobby with me, or there'd ramp and I need to shore up a weakness
I have affinity, I have the blue staples, and I don't do anything with them. Affinity is an amazing deck but I don't click with it. I played like crap with company, I hated tron and played like crap with it
I was looking into getting eldrazi or eldrazi tron, but why? So I can meta with a deck I won't even like much, and won't get better unless I devote to playing the deck a lot when I'd rather play gbx?
Barring a splinter twin unban, blue has felt unimportant to me. I'm not discussing a ban here by any means, please don't comment or respond to that part.
What I'm getting at is when it comes down to it, I really love playing jund and the Gbx archetype, I've had the most success with it. Modern is very much more about what you enjoy playing and how long you've been playing it, not just playing to the meta. If you're a world class player, that may be a whole different argument where they can meta the format and play every deck
I'm ranting, but what I'm basically getting at is jund has been so consistent. It's been a fantastic choice, and as mtg keeps coming out in standard, it just stays just as good or better.
My spell suite right now has basically just swapped Maelstrom pulse for Fatal Push. I think Maelstrom Pulse is way too slow, and it's rarely more than a 3 mana sorcery speed Terminate. Having more 1 mana removal makes double spelling on turn 3 very consistent and the tempo is just amazing.
I've been loving it and I highly recommend. That said, there ARE Leylines and >3CMC planeswalkers out there. I run 2 Duress and 2 Pithing Needles so planeswalkers are pretty much covered. I see Leyline of Sanctity like once a year so I kind of just ignore it. But, running a pulse in the sideboard is probably a good idea in big tournaments. But right now, I just don't see it's value as a mainboard card.
Also, Fatal Push is also great because I play a lot of Jeskai control and Colonnade can be very annoying, especially since they can Spell Snare a Terminate. So being able to take out all Terminates and Abrupt Decays gives me more room for sideboard cards.
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I just realized something this week. I own a majority of the huge staple cards in the format. Why?
I played abzan company in Philly for the first time this week, I went undefeated with junk last week, I started off 0 and 2 this Monday and just dropped, feeling pretty crappy over a fun hobby.
You know, I'm thinking about it a lot, I'm beginning to think I'm just going to stick with the Gbx archetype. I can keep burn in case my wife ever wants to get into the hobby with me, or there'd ramp and I need to shore up a weakness
I have affinity, I have the blue staples, and I don't do anything with them. Affinity is an amazing deck but I don't click with it. I played like crap with company, I hated tron and played like crap with it
I was looking into getting eldrazi or eldrazi tron, but why? So I can meta with a deck I won't even like much, and won't get better unless I devote to playing the deck a lot when I'd rather play gbx?
Barring a splinter twin unban, blue has felt unimportant to me. I'm not discussing a ban here by any means, please don't comment or respond to that part.
What I'm getting at is when it comes down to it, I really love playing jund and the Gbx archetype, I've had the most success with it. Modern is very much more about what you enjoy playing and how long you've been playing it, not just playing to the meta. If you're a world class player, that may be a whole different argument where they can meta the format and play every deck
I'm ranting, but what I'm basically getting at is jund has been so consistent. It's been a fantastic choice, and as mtg keeps coming out in standard, it just stays just as good or better.
foil your jund deck, maybe get some expeditions? they seem like great investments long term. trade or sell all the stuff you dont need.
I generally agree that you can run 2 terminates, however, I would be very careful about it. If my meta would allow it, then sometimes Push just is a cheaper Terminate. But triggering revolt is absolutely no guarantee and if there are delve creatures or creatures with CMC higher than 4 in a given meta, I would advice against running only 2 Terminate. I absolutely think we should have at least 3 terminate like effects in our deck, and if Fatal Push effectively acts as a Terminate (due to the prevalent meta) then its fine to cut one terminate for Push (same kinda goes for cutting one terminate for Slaughter Pact).
@cfremont: You can ditch Pulse from the MB if you feel that your meta doesn't grant you the benefit of running it. I personally think its a bit too risky to ditch a solid all catch spell from our maindeck, I think I would not do that actually. You said it yourself, PW and Leylines are out there in your meta. I personally am more a guy of having the possibility to have an answer to nearly everything relevant preboard. But I can see why you are doing it though. Keep us updated about how it goes, am actually curiuos about this.
The expeditions are poorly made, some of them have started having issues with the facing in my deck, they'll all double sleeved and I'm not rough with them. I think whatever foiling process is poorly done
It may be too late for me though, I don't know
I'm in the process of selling my Affinity Deck, Infect and fetchlands.
If Splinter Twin ever gets unbanned, I'll play that and foil it up, too, otherwise, I'm just playing GBx decks and a burn deck
I'm on the fence about finishing up Jund for MTGO. I am starting to feel burned out from playing linear decks like Ad Nauseam and I haven't touched Burn in about a year. I don't like Eldrazi Tron even though I am a fan of the spaghetti monsters but for various reasons it's not my cup of tea. I think the lack of consistency is one thing I don't like about it.
I have been goldfishing and playtesting Jund lately and it seems like something I'd like to play since it's completely different from playing with a non-interactive deck which is what I've done in various formats for the past two years.
I would like to play something I can tweak to the meta that has a competitive chance. Jund seems like a good fit because it doesn't seem like a deck that would get boring, there's room for flex slots and it's probably going to be competitive as long as Modern is a format. I already own Goyfs and 3 Liliana's so the rest of the deck won't be too much of an issue. Had anyone else switched from a linear deck to midrange here? What was it like? I can hang on to Ad Nauseam and run Jund within my budget. I may also build into Abzan, Death's Shadow Jund and or 8-Rack to have other options.
I generally agree that you can run 2 terminates, however, I would be very careful about it. If my meta would allow it, then sometimes Push just is a cheaper Terminate. But triggering revolt is absolutely no guarantee and if there are delve creatures or creatures with CMC higher than 4 in a given meta, I would advice against running only 2 Terminate. I absolutely think we should have at least 3 terminate like effects in our deck, and if Fatal Push effectively acts as a Terminate (due to the prevalent meta) then its fine to cut one terminate for Push (same kinda goes for cutting one terminate for Slaughter Pact).
I disagree with this assessment on one minor point. The decks that are going to play delve creatures against aren't chock full of threats you have to answer. It's usually three or four delve creatures and maybe a few others of 3-CMC or less, and largely they have to recur the few threats they have to win against GB/x decks. That said, even with three Terminate in the main deck, some number of their creatures are more than likely going to die to combat tricks because we don't have access to Snapcaster Mage, and some number of their threats are eaten by Scavenging Ooze. This generally leads me to cut at least one Terminate when going to sideboard because the second one I get usually just sits in my hand. I would hate seeing a third one.
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I do think it's just slower than Death's Shadow and less good in the Grindy matchups than regular ol' Jund though.
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Are better than what? In general? If you mean in general, then are you expecting Bant Eldrazi/Tron/Eldrazi Tron to drop off?
Eldrazi Tron still isn't a proven deck
Jund still has discard, goyf into reach.
I definitely appreciate the creative deck proposed, but at the end of the day, Jund is old reliable, it's never a bad meta call even with all this ramp and combo.
I may not be on the Jund wagon right now, but this is still a tier 1 deck and it's my favorite archetype.
The thing is, Eldrazi, Tron and midrange decks might be very popular now, but I can safely bet that, in a given tournament, you will always face fast aggro-ish decks no matter what. We still should be able to win those matchups as well. What do you do against Burn and Affinity? Both these decks are also vastly present.
Therefore I think sticking to a somewhat balanced strategy between low to the ground and go wide is the way to go. Fine tunings should then be adjusted according to specific meta predictions (like we saw it with maindecking 2 Fulminator Mages for tron in Jund, I think you just can't just do much more about it, because by cutting and changing too many cards you give up too many percentage points for other important matchups, which people tend to forget)
Running two Terminate is fine. The number of Fatal Pushf you put in the main deck should be largely be metagame call though.
I played abzan company in Philly for the first time this week, I went undefeated with junk last week, I started off 0 and 2 this Monday and just dropped, feeling pretty crappy over a fun hobby.
You know, I'm thinking about it a lot, I'm beginning to think I'm just going to stick with the Gbx archetype. I can keep burn in case my wife ever wants to get into the hobby with me, or there'd ramp and I need to shore up a weakness
I have affinity, I have the blue staples, and I don't do anything with them. Affinity is an amazing deck but I don't click with it. I played like crap with company, I hated tron and played like crap with it
I was looking into getting eldrazi or eldrazi tron, but why? So I can meta with a deck I won't even like much, and won't get better unless I devote to playing the deck a lot when I'd rather play gbx?
Barring a splinter twin unban, blue has felt unimportant to me. I'm not discussing a ban here by any means, please don't comment or respond to that part.
What I'm getting at is when it comes down to it, I really love playing jund and the Gbx archetype, I've had the most success with it. Modern is very much more about what you enjoy playing and how long you've been playing it, not just playing to the meta. If you're a world class player, that may be a whole different argument where they can meta the format and play every deck
I'm ranting, but what I'm basically getting at is jund has been so consistent. It's been a fantastic choice, and as mtg keeps coming out in standard, it just stays just as good or better.
I'm running
4x Lightning Bolt R
2x Fatal Push B
3x Terminate BR
2x Abrupt Decay BG
2x Kolaghan's Command 1BR
4x Inquisition of Kozilek B
2x Thoughtseize B
I've been loving it and I highly recommend. That said, there ARE Leylines and >3CMC planeswalkers out there. I run 2 Duress and 2 Pithing Needles so planeswalkers are pretty much covered. I see Leyline of Sanctity like once a year so I kind of just ignore it. But, running a pulse in the sideboard is probably a good idea in big tournaments. But right now, I just don't see it's value as a mainboard card.
Also, Fatal Push is also great because I play a lot of Jeskai control and Colonnade can be very annoying, especially since they can Spell Snare a Terminate. So being able to take out all Terminates and Abrupt Decays gives me more room for sideboard cards.
foil your jund deck, maybe get some expeditions? they seem like great investments long term. trade or sell all the stuff you dont need.
@cfremont: You can ditch Pulse from the MB if you feel that your meta doesn't grant you the benefit of running it. I personally think its a bit too risky to ditch a solid all catch spell from our maindeck, I think I would not do that actually. You said it yourself, PW and Leylines are out there in your meta. I personally am more a guy of having the possibility to have an answer to nearly everything relevant preboard. But I can see why you are doing it though. Keep us updated about how it goes, am actually curiuos about this.
Really? I think those expeditions should rise in value over time quite a bit. Its good investment for sure.
Good investment, yes. Pleasant to look at, not so much..
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It may be too late for me though, I don't know
I'm in the process of selling my Affinity Deck, Infect and fetchlands.
If Splinter Twin ever gets unbanned, I'll play that and foil it up, too, otherwise, I'm just playing GBx decks and a burn deck
I have been goldfishing and playtesting Jund lately and it seems like something I'd like to play since it's completely different from playing with a non-interactive deck which is what I've done in various formats for the past two years.
I would like to play something I can tweak to the meta that has a competitive chance. Jund seems like a good fit because it doesn't seem like a deck that would get boring, there's room for flex slots and it's probably going to be competitive as long as Modern is a format. I already own Goyfs and 3 Liliana's so the rest of the deck won't be too much of an issue. Had anyone else switched from a linear deck to midrange here? What was it like? I can hang on to Ad Nauseam and run Jund within my budget. I may also build into Abzan, Death's Shadow Jund and or 8-Rack to have other options.
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I disagree with this assessment on one minor point. The decks that are going to play delve creatures against aren't chock full of threats you have to answer. It's usually three or four delve creatures and maybe a few others of 3-CMC or less, and largely they have to recur the few threats they have to win against GB/x decks. That said, even with three Terminate in the main deck, some number of their creatures are more than likely going to die to combat tricks because we don't have access to Snapcaster Mage, and some number of their threats are eaten by Scavenging Ooze. This generally leads me to cut at least one Terminate when going to sideboard because the second one I get usually just sits in my hand. I would hate seeing a third one.