I've recently picked up this deck and I'm curious what you guys do against, what I think is the single best and most infuriating deck in modern, Ad Nauseum.
I feel like it's the only matchup where we have 0 hope of ever winning and it's kind of turning me off the deck.
Then again, if they're running hot, no deck in modern can beat them.
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@Ilnez: How many games have you played against Ad Nauseum? I think the matchup is tough but its far away from unwinable. After sideboarding I have 2 Stony Silence 3 Stubborn Denial and 1-2 Natural State. So your best option is to be fast with counter backup.
@SamAffandy: I dont know how Gryffs Boon is heloing us against the decks where we are having a hard time. Maybe you can describe why you think it is useful/good.
I was initially using rancor as a recurring spell but keeps getting countered/creatures getting killed before aura resolves. Cos a 6/4 TKS w trample sure is scary.
So i decided to add in Boon instead.
1) we have problems w flyers
2) it still gives us a way to get damage thru.
3) as long as it's in the gy, we can just recast it and attach to our creatures.
Also, i'm using one of the 3 flexi spots. The other 2 are currently spellskite.
I've recently picked up this deck and I'm curious what you guys do against, what I think is the single best and most infuriating deck in modern, Ad Nauseum.
I feel like it's the only matchup where we have 0 hope of ever winning and it's kind of turning me off the deck.
Then again, if they're running hot, no deck in modern can beat them.
I tested the deck a lot vs ad nauseam, the MU is difficult but not unwinable! On G1 spellskite do the job if played early (most of ad naus list doesn't run black pact MD)
After sb we have denial, negate, stony silence (lock his mana artifact = win), needle (naming lightning storm), that make the MU better
What for ?
The deck doesn't play color-intensive spells anyway (unless you want to try Voice of Resurgence maybe) and it can't produce colored mana on it's own.
What for ?
The deck doesn't play color-intensive spells anyway (unless you want to try Voice of Resurgence maybe) and it can't produce colored mana on it's own.
There's also Elixir of Immortality, probably less conditional than Feed the Clan because you won't always have your 5/Xs on the battlefield when you have to gain life (against super aggro decks). It's also findable with Ancient Stirrings and plays around Skullcrack effects, and more situationally doesn't ping you for 1 life because of Yavimaya Coast.
Do you guys ever board out Dorks against Control/Jund?
Trying to figure out how to sideboard.
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Against Jund or other removal heavy decks like Grixis, yes I will board out 1-2 dorks. There isn't that much to bring in vs these controlling / removal heavy decks (we're generally favored) - Thragtusk and Worldbreaker come in for sure. Then maybe Stubborn Denials and Cages (Snapcaster, GDD and Nahiri heavy decks). Vs decks with a lot of Electrolyzes, be even more inclined to cut dorks, as well as Skyspawners.
Do you guys ever board out Dorks against Control/Jund?
Trying to figure out how to sideboard.
I find myself boarding out dorks a lot (though I'm running 6) unless something else is actively bad. As people have pointed out running your dork into a bolt/helix or getting hit with inquisition sucks. Better to just be slower and avoid that issue.
The one time I'd not do that is if I saw/suspect blood moon then I try to keep in at least the 4 nobles just to make sure I can either get TKS before or can still function under it, especially as lists tend to run 0 islands and some have 0 wastes too so moon can easily shut off 15+ cards.
Do you guys ever board out Dorks against Control/Jund?
Trying to figure out how to sideboard.
I find myself boarding out dorks a lot (though I'm running 6) unless something else is actively bad. As people have pointed out running your dork into a bolt/helix or getting hit with inquisition sucks. Better to just be slower and avoid that issue.
The one time I'd not do that is if I saw/suspect blood moon then I try to keep in at least the 4 nobles just to make sure I can either get TKS before or can still function under it, especially as lists tend to run 0 islands and some have 0 wastes too so moon can easily shut off 15+ cards.
The goal against Jund is also to have the best top decks you can. Dorks just aren't that. Increase the threat density and 2 for 1s and you eventually find them out of answers and dying to large things on board.
EDH: Rakdos, Lord of Riots
I've recently picked up this deck and I'm curious what you guys do against, what I think is the single best and most infuriating deck in modern, Ad Nauseum.
I feel like it's the only matchup where we have 0 hope of ever winning and it's kind of turning me off the deck.
Then again, if they're running hot, no deck in modern can beat them.
GBRJundGBR
URWJeskai NahiriURW
My Legacy Deck:
URBGrixis DelverURB
My EDH Decks:
GJarad, Golgari Lich LordB
GRhys, The RedeemedW
RWArchangel AvacynRW
UWDragonlord OjutaiUW
I was initially using rancor as a recurring spell but keeps getting countered/creatures getting killed before aura resolves. Cos a 6/4 TKS w trample sure is scary.
So i decided to add in Boon instead.
1) we have problems w flyers
2) it still gives us a way to get damage thru.
3) as long as it's in the gy, we can just recast it and attach to our creatures.
Also, i'm using one of the 3 flexi spots. The other 2 are currently spellskite.
She seems really good here especially if cast on turn 2 accelerated by a dork.
Also, what do you think about Endbringer for the top-end of the deck ?
I tested the deck a lot vs ad nauseam, the MU is difficult but not unwinable! On G1 spellskite do the job if played early (most of ad naus list doesn't run black pact MD)
After sb we have denial, negate, stony silence (lock his mana artifact = win), needle (naming lightning storm), that make the MU better
The deck doesn't play color-intensive spells anyway (unless you want to try Voice of Resurgence maybe) and it can't produce colored mana on it's own.
true enuff. thx!
Lone Missionary - cheap, combo with displacer
Thragtusk - great value vs grindy decks, also combo with displacer
Feed the Clan - 12 cards to turn on ferocious. Gains a lot of life
Timely Reinforcements - Makes dudes and life. Might not always fulfill creature requirement
Sun Droplet - Find off of Stirrings. In multiples it gains you a lot of life. Not very good against decks like scapeshift that one-shot kill
Lone Missionary looks best with Displacer. Thragtusk is too slow.
Kitchen Finks also is worth considering. Great value creature and hard to remove. Also another great Displacer target.
EDH: Rakdos, Lord of Riots
Trying to figure out how to sideboard.
GBRJundGBR
URWJeskai NahiriURW
My Legacy Deck:
URBGrixis DelverURB
My EDH Decks:
GJarad, Golgari Lich LordB
GRhys, The RedeemedW
RWArchangel AvacynRW
UWDragonlord OjutaiUW
EDH: Rakdos, Lord of Riots
I find myself boarding out dorks a lot (though I'm running 6) unless something else is actively bad. As people have pointed out running your dork into a bolt/helix or getting hit with inquisition sucks. Better to just be slower and avoid that issue.
The one time I'd not do that is if I saw/suspect blood moon then I try to keep in at least the 4 nobles just to make sure I can either get TKS before or can still function under it, especially as lists tend to run 0 islands and some have 0 wastes too so moon can easily shut off 15+ cards.
The goal against Jund is also to have the best top decks you can. Dorks just aren't that. Increase the threat density and 2 for 1s and you eventually find them out of answers and dying to large things on board.
I will play eldrazi for the first time (in tournament) next saturday.
My list (very classic) :
4 Reality Smasher
4 Drowner of Hope
4 Thought-Knot Seer
2 Eldrazi Skyspawner
3 Matter Reshaper
4 Eldrazi Displacer
2 Spellskite
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Path to Exile
4 Ancient Stirrings
2 Yavimaya Coast
1 Plains
2 Forest
1 Temple Garden
1 Breeding Pool
1 Hallowed Fountain
4 Windswept Heath
4 Eldrazi Temple
4 Cavern of Souls
1 Sea Gate Wreckage
1 World Breaker
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Fracturing Gust
1 Negate
2 Stony silence
1 Pithing Needle
3 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Stubborn Denial
2 Engineered Explosives
My meta is very agressive (a lot of burn and zoo), is there a better option than spellskite in main deck to improve the hyper aggro MU?
Thank's