Quote from Xanian »Whenever we do something, we need to know why we're doing it. That being said, I want to have a quick discussion on BW vs BR so that we know why we're sticking with white and what red offers.
From the main, Path to Exile and Lingering Souls are lost in exchange for Lightning Bolt and Terminate. In the sideboard, Timely Reinforcements, Disenchant, and Stony Silence are lost in exchange for Kozilek's Return, Crumble to Dust, and Slaughter Games (Note: Not a complete list of possible board cards).
Going into red shows payoff in cheap removal. Bolt and Terminate, as well as the standard red sweepers improve matchups against creature-based and aggressive decks. Against Tron and Scapeshift, having access to Crumble and Slaughter Games provide one card answers to our most problematic matchups.
White gives us access to unconditional removal of Path to Exile that also sets up one card in the exile to be processed. White also gives us Lingering Souls for numerous and recurring fliers. In the sideboard we have a lot more artifact/enchantment hate and burn answers, but our options against Tron, Scapeshift, and the likes are more limited. (But we do still have the slightly worse Memoricide)
As well, each color saw some a new playable card in OGW so far. White seeing Eldrazi Displacer and red seeing Kozilek's Return.
So what do you guys think about all of this?
Quote from CapBubble »Cavern is almost strictly better, no?
Quote from Mewcus »Quote from CapBubble »Cavern is almost strictly better, no?
cavern doesn't tap for color for lingering souls/discard/path though
Quote from Darksteel_Eye »
The new white eldrazi looks good, probably a sideboard option right now. Yet again a card I see making more impact on the standard deck not as much for the modern. It's cool to blink a herder tho and get more scions!!!
Quote from Master_Hades »I like Slaughter Games against combos like Splinter Twin/Scapeshift because removing those cards will just break their legs and without taking a remand. I think that is very possible to splash 1 Blood Crypt or Sacred Foundry main deck to have it sideboard against those decks.
I love Kozilek's Return but I don't think It will see or at least will be played at full potential in any list people are playing right now since they are playing only cost 5-6 eldrazis (not counting Ulamog). I'm not saying this card is not good (it's very very good) but needs a proper deck build to use it's full potential.
Quote from Exatraz »I think Kozliek's return isn't better then the black one we are getting for the exact reason you state.. we aren't going to get the second trigger enough I feel (granted it makes casting Newlamog that much more devastating but I don't think it's necessary.
Quote from Complex Pants »A comment on Crumble to Dust. People talk about how this is the answer to tron, but it really isn't. This a turn 4 card, when we are on the play, but even then Karn comes out on turn 3.