Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Any match-up where you are racing. Infect, affinity, zooicide, azan company, bant eldrazi, ad nauseam, burn... really any deck that can't reliably kill the knight.
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Spell Queller leads to some trap lines of play. For instance, if you have a board of creatures about to get Supreme verdicted away, you can respond with Coco to try and hit Spell Queller. This is a trap, since the deck is not favoured to hit Queller and will simply lose the creatures. The highest expected value play is to let verdict resolve, then coco eot. If you hit queller there, it is a super low value 3-drop. This is similar to trying to hit other defensive creatures against sweepers like Burrenton Forge-Tender (the card that first revealed this flaw to me) and Selfless Spirit.
That's exactly what I dont like about queller. It makes you CoCo at suboptimal places just to get max value out of it, and that can lead to blowouts. Like, baiting you to cast CoCo in response to a spell to counter the CoCo afterwards, instead of the optimal line (casting it at their upkeep, where they have less cards in hand but still tap on their turn, or casting it when they are fully tapped). Looks like it deletes what collected company does the best, but that's just theorycrafting, and results tell that queller builds are succesful.
Bant eldrazi was a tough matchup - I may have not had enough SB action against that deck. I won game 1 off the combo, playing very carefully as he had path mana open. It's important not to go all-in into removal mana when you don't have a method of protecting the knight. Not sure what would be a good SB plan vs Eldrazi, but once they get Displacer + Drowner going it's basically a lock-out.
Linvala, keeper of silence singlehandedly wins eldrazi games if they don't have a path. Turns off manadorks, displacer, tokens adding mana and tokens tapping things. Ghostly prison also hates them out a lot, because they have a lot of mana to cast eldrazi spells but their eldrazi temples only add one for my ghostly prison. I play that matchup the same way that I play affinity or kikichord: mana denial. kataki/linvala+ghostly prison is gamebreaking.
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I went 3-1 again and ended third at my local FNM. My list is practically the same that I ran last week (-1 fracturing gust +1 negate at the sideboard)
Matches were: eldrazi 2-1, kiki chord 2-1, 8-rack 2-1, titi ascension 1-2
Titi ascension is hard. Like, eldritch evolution is the card that makes the matchup winnable, by tutoring either qasali pridemage to destroy pyromancer's ascension or eidolon of rhetoric to slow them down. Even with that, they run a few copies of remand and if you don't draw either evolution, engineered explosives or qasali/eidolon, you basically lost. I'm thinking about adding x1 bojuka bog to the sideboard, this deck can run perfectly 2-3 colorless sources (bojuka and x2 ghost quarter) and it adds lots of utility in difficult matchups (titi ascension, dredge and U based control like grixis/esper).
This are the changes that I'm thinking for my current list
SB:Thragtusk -> SB:Cataclysmic gearhulk
Thagtusk has only been relevant once against burn. That's probably not enough to make the cut
SB:Fracturing gust -> SB:Bojuka bog
Fracturing gust is super mana intensive, and most of the time I don't have that much mana when I need it. bojuka is more versatile, and helps in similar matchups. For affinity/bogles, cataclysmic gearhulk should do something similar, faster and tutorable
SB:Dispel -> SB:Negate
I included dispel as a really cheap defensive card, with an easy to hold mana cost for burn and infect. Nonetheless, I'm finding negate to be the card that makes some horrendous matchups actually winnable, where dispel is not as good. Ad nauseam, living end, grishoalbrand, titi ascension, 8 rack, scapeshift, breach, restore balance, tron... whatever, negate is amazing there, while dispel is mediocre or straight up useless.
Courser of kruphix -> Tireless tracker
Courser has been underwhelming. I included it as a cheesy way to make serum visions a better card (by scrying lands to the top), but that interaction has not been super relevant. In midrange matchups, if tireless tracker is left unchecked he completely takes over the game. Bolt is a problem though, and courser is better in bolt matchups. Before someone points it out, I'm aware of the interaction between courser and cataclysmic gearhulk, but that's just as cheesy as courser+serum (reads: not enough to make the cut).
I was just wondering why is knightfall running Eternal Witness and Courser of Kruphix?
In eldritch evolution builds, ewitness is a tutorable target to recover things from the graveyard and one creature to sacrifice with little card disadvantage. In collected company builds, if flipped off CoCo it can put it back to your hand, giving you huge card advantage. In both builds, its just a really good and high value card.
Courser is mostly played in kessig wolf run builds to mitigate the life loss from comboing out and adding mana from shock lands. In my serum visions build, both courser and serum visions have nice sinergies, but that's pretty fringe. Overall, its a medium value creature really good against grindy decks.
Ewit is a value creature. It's a 2/1 that gives you the best card in your grave. Alone, it's ok, but it plays incredibly well with collected company. It's also good post board as a lot of sideboard tech is a one time effect and ewit thereby let's use it again.
Courser of Kruphix is also a value creature. He doesn't naturally die to bolt, he filters draws, gains life, and makes the combo viable no matter our life total. I tend to side him out against the fastest decks, but he's so good against the slow ones.
New Thalia is bad. Don't fall into that trap. She's a card that has marginal to no effect on the game if you're not getting her to stick within your 1st 3 turns.
Non-retreat Bant CoCo plays a tempo/disruptive/value style game. Cards like smiter, war monk and brimaz are as good as vanilla dudes with big backsides. They would fit better in a deck like Naya Company because of the added pressure from lightning bolt and wolf-run allowing big vanilla creatures to punch through or burn out the last few points of life.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Rhox War Monk:Great card. I have played it in the past and would play it in the future. Loxodon Smiter: Solid choice, but not particularly inspiring off Coco. I used to play this card before coralhelm was printed in order to get a threat on the board against twin (while still be solid in bgx matchup). Good choice in a meta polarized betwee Ux and BGx. That is not the present meta. Thalia, Heretic Cathar: Never tried it. Seems ok, but I'm concerned that it isn't good enough by mid-game. Same role as Aven Mindcensor which seems better. I'm open to this being a good card though Brimaz, King of Oreskos: Never been a fan of this card, we have bettercardsforvariousroles.
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Thalia, heretic cathar is an amazing card, just not in this deck. It needs to be consistently down on turn 2-3 (reads: 3-4 copies of Thalia, 8+ accelerants) and it needs to be paired with other mana denial cards. I'm testing her in legacy maverick (3 Thalia and 9 accelerants between zenith, deathrite and hierarch, plus wasteland and original thalia as mana denial) and in modern gw death and taxes (4 Thalia and 8 birds/hierarchs, mindcensor/arbiter+ghost quarter and original Thalia as mana denial).
She doesn't belong to coco builds. When you drop it off coco, its already too late.
Played a 26 man tourney on Sunday. Went 3-1-1 making it to top 8. Lost matches against Affinity (1-2 Ghirapur Aether Grid wrecked my board) and Abzan (1-2) in top 8 (mainly bad draws in the key turns). Beat Grixis Delver (2-1), U Tron (2-1) and Abzan (2-0). Overall great tourney, the deck felt great. Too bad the modern season is mostly over here. :(.
Change
Wooded foothill instead of misty for budget concern
-1 qasali pridemage +1 voice of resurgence
- 2 izzet staticaster +1 Sigarda, +1 geist
Extra voice is because my meta is full of jund abzan and UWR control. Same thing for the extra geist and sigarda.(Sigarda and worship is kinda of a lock)
I know kevin like is staticaster but I just hate them. I find the two other to have more punch .
Full report will come soon
Win against red green titanshift
Win against afinity
Win against abzan
Win against naya big zoo(Collected company)
Loss against jund(game loss for marked sleeve)
I actually play 1 main deck Geist and I've won a couple of G1s with it just by tapping down blockers with retreat. It's pretty funny actually doing it in a real game because it's such a limited/draft kind of gimmick.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
I've been playing around with Kelvin Chew's list a good bit after talking to him about the tweaks he could see himself making and potentially shaving 2-of toolbox pieces back to 1-ofs in favor of Fauna Shaman. I've been a pretty big advocate of Fauna Shaman for a while in a modern and was pretty blown by it's power along side Spell Queller. Aside from that, it opens up the ability to toolbox a bit more from the board as well. Anyways, here's what's been performing well for me as of late.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Well I took your word for it and picked up a few pieces of fauna shaman
I've played the card to two GP day 2's this year, 36th at GP Indy & 119th at GP Charlotte. My pick for the biggest sleeper in modern.. and one of my favorite "what's that do?" cards. Not to mention my pet deck is a Fauna Shaman deck Kelvin Chew built that top 8'd GP Singapore in 2015. Currently torn between taking Kiki Company or Knightfall to the SCG Milwaukee open in a few weeks, will be testing both exclusively until then.
It's basically kevin chew's list with minor sideboard changes (SB:scavenging ooze swapped for SB:bojuka bog). Nothing new, but more results for chew's list reinforces his statement that queller made this deck capable of being in a higher tier.
EDIT - I find quite funny that _eNVious_, the user who did 5-0, was a twin player. Knightfall is the new twin confirmed? /s
It's basically kevin chew's list with minor sideboard changes (SB:scavenging ooze swapped for SB:bojuka bog). Nothing new, but more results for chew's list reinforces his statement that queller made this deck capable of being in a higher tier.
EDIT - I find quite funny that _eNVious_, the user who did 5-0, was a twin player. Knightfall is the new twin confirmed? /s
I really believe it has a solid game plan of combo G1 that I wasn't sold on for a long time. Really digging the deck since Spell Queller made it's debut and Kelvin brought the list into the spotlight.
I've been foiling out Kiki Company for a little over a year.. just Canopies and Fetches and I'm done.. haha. Good thing I bought Voices last year..
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For reference, my current sideboard is
2x blessed alliance
3x kitchen finks
1x sigarda, host of herons
3x izzet staticaster
2x negate
1x ghost quarter
1x bojuka bog
2x worship
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That's exactly what I dont like about queller. It makes you CoCo at suboptimal places just to get max value out of it, and that can lead to blowouts. Like, baiting you to cast CoCo in response to a spell to counter the CoCo afterwards, instead of the optimal line (casting it at their upkeep, where they have less cards in hand but still tap on their turn, or casting it when they are fully tapped). Looks like it deletes what collected company does the best, but that's just theorycrafting, and results tell that queller builds are succesful.
Linvala, keeper of silence singlehandedly wins eldrazi games if they don't have a path. Turns off manadorks, displacer, tokens adding mana and tokens tapping things. Ghostly prison also hates them out a lot, because they have a lot of mana to cast eldrazi spells but their eldrazi temples only add one for my ghostly prison. I play that matchup the same way that I play affinity or kikichord: mana denial. kataki/linvala+ghostly prison is gamebreaking.
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I went 3-1 again and ended third at my local FNM. My list is practically the same that I ran last week (-1 fracturing gust +1 negate at the sideboard)
Matches were: eldrazi 2-1, kiki chord 2-1, 8-rack 2-1, titi ascension 1-2
Titi ascension is hard. Like, eldritch evolution is the card that makes the matchup winnable, by tutoring either qasali pridemage to destroy pyromancer's ascension or eidolon of rhetoric to slow them down. Even with that, they run a few copies of remand and if you don't draw either evolution, engineered explosives or qasali/eidolon, you basically lost. I'm thinking about adding x1 bojuka bog to the sideboard, this deck can run perfectly 2-3 colorless sources (bojuka and x2 ghost quarter) and it adds lots of utility in difficult matchups (titi ascension, dredge and U based control like grixis/esper).
1 Breeding Pool
1 Flooded Strand
5 Forest
2 Ghost Quarter
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Plains
1 Sejiri Steppe
1 Temple Garden
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
//Enchantments
4 Retreat to Coralhelm
//Instants
1 Blessed Alliance
4 Path to Exile
4 Eldritch Evolution
4 Serum Visions
//Creatures
2 Birds of Paradise
2 Courser of Kruphix
1 Eternal Witness
1 Kitchen Finks
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
4 Voice of Resurgence
1 Dispel
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Fracturing Gust
3 Ghostly Prison
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
3 Negate
1 Thragtusk
1 Worship
This are the changes that I'm thinking for my current list
SB:Thragtusk -> SB:Cataclysmic gearhulk
Thagtusk has only been relevant once against burn. That's probably not enough to make the cut
SB:Fracturing gust -> SB:Bojuka bog
Fracturing gust is super mana intensive, and most of the time I don't have that much mana when I need it. bojuka is more versatile, and helps in similar matchups. For affinity/bogles, cataclysmic gearhulk should do something similar, faster and tutorable
SB:Dispel -> SB:Negate
I included dispel as a really cheap defensive card, with an easy to hold mana cost for burn and infect. Nonetheless, I'm finding negate to be the card that makes some horrendous matchups actually winnable, where dispel is not as good. Ad nauseam, living end, grishoalbrand, titi ascension, 8 rack, scapeshift, breach, restore balance, tron... whatever, negate is amazing there, while dispel is mediocre or straight up useless.
Courser of kruphix -> Tireless tracker
Courser has been underwhelming. I included it as a cheesy way to make serum visions a better card (by scrying lands to the top), but that interaction has not been super relevant. In midrange matchups, if tireless tracker is left unchecked he completely takes over the game. Bolt is a problem though, and courser is better in bolt matchups. Before someone points it out, I'm aware of the interaction between courser and cataclysmic gearhulk, but that's just as cheesy as courser+serum (reads: not enough to make the cut).
L: Maverick
In eldritch evolution builds, ewitness is a tutorable target to recover things from the graveyard and one creature to sacrifice with little card disadvantage. In collected company builds, if flipped off CoCo it can put it back to your hand, giving you huge card advantage. In both builds, its just a really good and high value card.
Courser is mostly played in kessig wolf run builds to mitigate the life loss from comboing out and adding mana from shock lands. In my serum visions build, both courser and serum visions have nice sinergies, but that's pretty fringe. Overall, its a medium value creature really good against grindy decks.
L: Maverick
Courser of Kruphix is also a value creature. He doesn't naturally die to bolt, he filters draws, gains life, and makes the combo viable no matter our life total. I tend to side him out against the fastest decks, but he's so good against the slow ones.
Non-retreat Bant CoCo plays a tempo/disruptive/value style game. Cards like smiter, war monk and brimaz are as good as vanilla dudes with big backsides. They would fit better in a deck like Naya Company because of the added pressure from lightning bolt and wolf-run allowing big vanilla creatures to punch through or burn out the last few points of life.
Loxodon Smiter: Solid choice, but not particularly inspiring off Coco. I used to play this card before coralhelm was printed in order to get a threat on the board against twin (while still be solid in bgx matchup). Good choice in a meta polarized betwee Ux and BGx. That is not the present meta.
Thalia, Heretic Cathar: Never tried it. Seems ok, but I'm concerned that it isn't good enough by mid-game. Same role as Aven Mindcensor which seems better. I'm open to this being a good card though
Brimaz, King of Oreskos: Never been a fan of this card, we have better cards for various roles.
KnightfallGWUR
Azorius Control UW
Burn RBG
She doesn't belong to coco builds. When you drop it off coco, its already too late.
L: Maverick
2 Flooded Strand
3 Forest
1 Gavony Township
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Wooded Foothill
1 Plains
1 Stomping Ground
1 Temple Garden
4 Windswept Heath
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Courser of Kruphix
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Selfless Spirit
4 Spell Queller
1 Spellskite
4 Voice of Resurgence
4 Path to Exile
3 Retreat to Coralhelm
3 Negate
2 Worship
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Izzet Staticaster
3 Kitchen Finks
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Sigarda host of heron
1 Geist of Saint Traft
Change
Wooded foothill instead of misty for budget concern
-1 qasali pridemage +1 voice of resurgence
- 2 izzet staticaster +1 Sigarda, +1 geist
Extra voice is because my meta is full of jund abzan and UWR control. Same thing for the extra geist and sigarda.(Sigarda and worship is kinda of a lock)
I know kevin like is staticaster but I just hate them. I find the two other to have more punch .
Full report will come soon
Win against red green titanshift
Win against afinity
Win against abzan
Win against naya big zoo(Collected company)
Loss against jund(game loss for marked sleeve)
Top 8
Loss against abzan
I've been playing around with Kelvin Chew's list a good bit after talking to him about the tweaks he could see himself making and potentially shaving 2-of toolbox pieces back to 1-ofs in favor of Fauna Shaman. I've been a pretty big advocate of Fauna Shaman for a while in a modern and was pretty blown by it's power along side Spell Queller. Aside from that, it opens up the ability to toolbox a bit more from the board as well. Anyways, here's what's been performing well for me as of late.
3x Birds of Paradise
2x Courser of Kruphix
3x Fauna Shaman
4x Knight of the Reliquary
4x Noble Hierarch
1x Qasali Pridemage
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Selfless Spirit
4x Spell Queller
1x Spellskite
3x Voice of Resurgence
Land (22)
1x Breeding Pool
2x Flooded Strand
3x Forest
1x Gavony Township
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Hallowed Fountain
1x Horizon Canopy
1x Kessig Wolf Run
4x Misty Rainforest
1x Plains
1x Stomping Ground
1x Temple Garden
4x Windswept Heath
3x Retreat to Coralhelm
Instant (8)
4x Collected Company
4x Path to Exile
2x Blessed Alliance
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Eidolon of Rhetoric
2x Izzet Staticaster
1x Kataki, War's Wage
3x Kitchen Finks
3x Negate
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Selfless Spirit
I've played the card to two GP day 2's this year, 36th at GP Indy & 119th at GP Charlotte. My pick for the biggest sleeper in modern.. and one of my favorite "what's that do?" cards. Not to mention my pet deck is a Fauna Shaman deck Kelvin Chew built that top 8'd GP Singapore in 2015. Currently torn between taking Kiki Company or Knightfall to the SCG Milwaukee open in a few weeks, will be testing both exclusively until then.
Wow those are beautiful foils! I also picked three shamans because of your lists, but mine are not that pimped
Anyway, I want to share my favorite foils too!
To make up for this *****post, knightfall got one 5-0 last week at mtgo! Here's the list:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/482899#paper
It's basically kevin chew's list with minor sideboard changes (SB:scavenging ooze swapped for SB:bojuka bog). Nothing new, but more results for chew's list reinforces his statement that queller made this deck capable of being in a higher tier.
EDIT - I find quite funny that _eNVious_, the user who did 5-0, was a twin player. Knightfall is the new twin confirmed? /s
L: Maverick
I really believe it has a solid game plan of combo G1 that I wasn't sold on for a long time. Really digging the deck since Spell Queller made it's debut and Kelvin brought the list into the spotlight.
I've been foiling out Kiki Company for a little over a year.. just Canopies and Fetches and I'm done.. haha. Good thing I bought Voices last year..