I think the most threatening thing in Jund is Olivia because at least with kalitas you can just overwhelm the Jund player until you get a path. But Olivia can kill thing and treachery your creatures which is just back breaking because if they take your Knight you just lose.
Blessed Alliance is ok, but it's generally not where you want to be as it doesn't really fit into the aggro plan. Our goal is essentially to overload their removal. I would never side out path, but killing their threats isn't the goal. We are not the control deck. You can bring one blessed alliance in for their stuff, but, past that, you'll end up with too much removal in hand and no board (personal experience).
I would say its quite useful. You wont always outlast them. However most of the times they attack with one creature late game and that's when the big swing comes. Taking out of their very few threats can make you win games. For me it has been awesome.
Blessed Alliance is ok, but it's generally not where you want to be as it doesn't really fit into the aggro plan. Our goal is essentially to overload their removal. I would never side out path, but killing their threats isn't the goal. We are not the control deck. You can bring one blessed alliance in for their stuff, but, past that, you'll end up with too much removal in hand and no board (personal experience).
I would say its quite useful. You wont always outlast them. However most of the times they attack with one creature late game and that's when the big swing comes. Taking out of their very few threats can make you win games. For me it has been awesome.
I think the issue with it is it's best as a surprise card, jund often operates with full information and it's not like you can just kill their creatures at will so it'll often eat a discard spell late or forcibly removed through a liliana. I think it is probably fine, i'm just not overthrilled about it
I have not played against storm but I imagine the matchup involves spell queller-ing the right spells and pathing their baral/Electromancer. You could also use scooze to hurt their past in flames plan.
I have not played against storm but I imagine the matchup involves spell queller-ing the right spells and pathing their baral/Electromancer. You could also use scooze to hurt their past in flames plan.
True. Queller hits everything in the deck, including the most important cards (creatures, PiF, Gifts). Between that and Scooze, I imagine the best way to win would be via Empty the Warrens, and I'm betting it would be hard to make a pile big enough to win vs. Knightfall's creature beatdown.
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I have not played against storm but I imagine the matchup involves spell queller-ing the right spells and pathing their baral/Electromancer. You could also use scooze to hurt their past in flames plan.
True. Queller hits everything in the deck, including the most important cards (creatures, PiF, Gifts). Between that and Scooze, I imagine the best way to win would be via Empty the Warrens, and I'm betting it would be hard to make a pile big enough to win vs. Knightfall's creature beatdown.
Don't forget Clique and the combo. Post board we also get counterspells and maybe an Eidolon or Reteric.
There's also gaddock teeg. It stops gifts, pif and empty the warrens.
Today I tested reflector mage and got to do one really sweet play that I want to share here, vs affinity.
Affinity player has no artifact lands and an ornithopter, I had izzet staticaster in the field. Arcbound ravager is cast. In my turn, I reflector mage the ornithopter, they sac it for ravager and in response I shoot it down with staticaster.
Overall, reflector mage worked really well, way better than I expected. I understimated a lot that card.
Do you have a list? It sounds like your build is more combo-centric while most of ours are closer to being a fair value deck with the combo as an afterthought or not being included at all. I'd love to see what you're doing with lotus cobra though.
Do you have a list? It sounds like your build is more combo-centric while most of ours are closer to being a fair value deck with the combo as an afterthought or not being included at all. I'd love to see what you're doing with lotus cobra though.
With Todd Stevens doing so well with his GW Company list, and how similar it is to knightfall, it really has me excited for our deck heading into the new meta!
I think all knightfall really needs is a brand-name player to have success with the deck at a major North American event for it to climb in meta-share.
Guys please opinions on japanese cards. Lost a 3/3 creature against Japan celestial colonade. This guy played all creatures and spells in english cards, but some cards in his manabase was japanese. I dont registrated this really ( my brain say its all fine and all english to me lets attack his empty board)...and i am sure it is a Kind of legal cheating. It is not ok, but i know legal. I Hate such people. I never forget colonade normally, but with this Tricks it can happen one time in 3 years and such people take advantage of this
If I am a customer spending premium amount of dollars, I expect a premium service. Jund falls into the category of a premium deck costing more dollars than a majority of the rest of the format. I'm not getting the desired performance ratio per dollars spent out of the Jund deck because WOTC decided to make the format more diverse.
Hey guys, i have some questions regarding creatures and Sideboard-tech:
1. Is Kira, Great Glass-Spinner worth trying? I was looking for options, because i'm struggling in a Jund/Control-heavy Meta in my LGS and this card is doing it's job in Merfolk
2. I tested against some other Decks prior to a Team Event (similar to the SCG Team Events, where three Formats are played) and struggled against Bushwhacker-Zoo and Grixis Delver. Do you know how to beat these decks? I think we're too slow against Bushwhacker-Zoo, In the sideboarded games, i always kept hands with 2+ dorks and three lands, mostly to block early attacks. Against Delver: I'd say it's a close one (?) but i think Delver has the better cards against us.
Here's my List i'm currently running; Since we don't have Affinity or Tron in our LGS, i don't play any Stony Silence, but i'd replace Aven Mindcensor and either Eldritch Evolution or Worship for two copies.
Has anyone found success in Gavony Township where Kessig Wolf Run isn't winning the game?
I have gavony in my list but haven't really used it too much. Most of the time late game, I'm sinking my mana into cracking clues. But, whenever I play abzan company, another deck I am very proficient in, gavony just runs away with games. Therefore, I assume that gavony is just as good in this list but I just always have too much value going on to use it.
I also find that delver is a very easy matchup for us. Just find a path for their tasigur, trade your fliers for their flipped delvers and focus on getting to the late-game. We will win the late game, and their kill spells are nothing but a road bump if they don't have a clock on you. Be aware they can burn you out so be careful. Also, board in Izzet Staticaster for unflipped delvers and snapcasters.
Hey, what do you all think about Fiend Slayer? It provides instant speed removal with CoCo. And if you scry with retreat, you can be sure to cast it with a CoCo, same goes with quellers
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I would say its quite useful. You wont always outlast them. However most of the times they attack with one creature late game and that's when the big swing comes. Taking out of their very few threats can make you win games. For me it has been awesome.
I think the issue with it is it's best as a surprise card, jund often operates with full information and it's not like you can just kill their creatures at will so it'll often eat a discard spell late or forcibly removed through a liliana. I think it is probably fine, i'm just not overthrilled about it
True. Queller hits everything in the deck, including the most important cards (creatures, PiF, Gifts). Between that and Scooze, I imagine the best way to win would be via Empty the Warrens, and I'm betting it would be hard to make a pile big enough to win vs. Knightfall's creature beatdown.
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Don't forget Clique and the combo. Post board we also get counterspells and maybe an Eidolon or Reteric.
Mostly though, a fast clock and Spell Queller.
Today I tested reflector mage and got to do one really sweet play that I want to share here, vs affinity.
Affinity player has no artifact lands and an ornithopter, I had izzet staticaster in the field. Arcbound ravager is cast. In my turn, I reflector mage the ornithopter, they sac it for ravager and in response I shoot it down with staticaster.
Overall, reflector mage worked really well, way better than I expected. I understimated a lot that card.
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Do you have a list? It sounds like your build is more combo-centric while most of ours are closer to being a fair value deck with the combo as an afterthought or not being included at all. I'd love to see what you're doing with lotus cobra though.
Sure, the list is right here,
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/590919#paper
I am on a bit of a budget, hence the battle lands and the lack of Noble Hierarch and Voice of Resurgence
Yes, mine is a bit more of a combo deck, As I do run 4 Retreat to Coralhelm, although more often then not I win by beatdown via the synergy of the Knight of the Reliquary and fetchlands. I have even won with and exalted Birds of Paradise
I think all knightfall really needs is a brand-name player to have success with the deck at a major North American event for it to climb in meta-share.
1. Is Kira, Great Glass-Spinner worth trying? I was looking for options, because i'm struggling in a Jund/Control-heavy Meta in my LGS and this card is doing it's job in Merfolk
2. I tested against some other Decks prior to a Team Event (similar to the SCG Team Events, where three Formats are played) and struggled against Bushwhacker-Zoo and Grixis Delver. Do you know how to beat these decks? I think we're too slow against Bushwhacker-Zoo, In the sideboarded games, i always kept hands with 2+ dorks and three lands, mostly to block early attacks. Against Delver: I'd say it's a close one (?) but i think Delver has the better cards against us.
Here's my List i'm currently running; Since we don't have Affinity or Tron in our LGS, i don't play any Stony Silence, but i'd replace Aven Mindcensor and either Eldritch Evolution or Worship for two copies.
3 Forest
1 Plains
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Windswept Heath
2 Flooded Strand
1 Temple Garden
1 Breeding Pool
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Stomping Ground
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Gavony Township
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Horizon Canopy
Creature
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Birds of Paradise
1 Spellskite
2 Voice of Resurgence
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Selfless Spirit
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Spell Queller
2 Tireless Tracker
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Vendilion Clique
4 Path to Exile
4 Collected Company
2 Retreat to Coralhelm
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Izzet Staticaster
2 Kitchen Finks
2 Reflector Mage
1 Eldritch Evolution¨
2 Blessed Alliance
1 Negate
2 Unified Will
1 Worship
1 Ghost Quarter
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I have gavony in my list but haven't really used it too much. Most of the time late game, I'm sinking my mana into cracking clues. But, whenever I play abzan company, another deck I am very proficient in, gavony just runs away with games. Therefore, I assume that gavony is just as good in this list but I just always have too much value going on to use it.
I also find that delver is a very easy matchup for us. Just find a path for their tasigur, trade your fliers for their flipped delvers and focus on getting to the late-game. We will win the late game, and their kill spells are nothing but a road bump if they don't have a clock on you. Be aware they can burn you out so be careful. Also, board in Izzet Staticaster for unflipped delvers and snapcasters.