Thanks! Is Nissa, voice of zendikar a good replacement for chandra? or should i just go 2 chandra main?
Nissa is a flex slot and Chandra is a core slot. They do completely different things. Nissa is a defensive utility card. Chandra is a utility card, ramp card and win-con.
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As mentioned above, I'm really pleased with this given that it was my first go-around. The clearest upgrade path is definitely lands - the Cinder Glade ended up being a costly play in my opening hand for both the loss matches.
I guess you had fun playing. ^^
Definitely get Stomping Grounds if you intend to play this deck for a long time. Cinder Glades are good as a temporary budget replacement, but they can sometimes cause a fatal slowdown in some games.
And then is adjusted according to meta, style, flavour, and mana curve.
I disagree with this as being core to Ponza post the BBE unban.
This is what I believe is the core of the deck:
At least 21 Lands
4 Arbor Elf
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Blood Moon
4 Stone Rain
4 BBE
At least 1 Birds of Paradise (I personally don’t agree with this but majority of people still believe it is core to the deck)
At least 3 Molten Rain
At least 3 Tireless Tracker
At least 1 Chandra ToD
At least 3 creature finishers (any number of Inferno Titan or Stormbreath)
Anything else is preference. There are a bunch of lists that play Pia and Kiran Nalaar as a 1-2 of, Courser of Kruphix as a 1 of, Nissa VoZ as a 1, and some number of Lightning Bolts. These cards have been debated off and on thus can be regarded as not core to the strategy.
Definitely get Stomping Grounds if you intend to play this deck for a long time. Cinder Glades are good as a temporary budget replacement, but they can sometimes cause a fatal slowdown in some games.
Hehe yes I did! Even with people calling me a degenerate for blowing up their lands.
What I'll most likely do is get 1x Stomping Ground with my store credit, then wait/trade for another. I'd like to also get the Trackers, but Jadelight has been doing well enough that I can stall for the price to fall further.
I suggest to concentrate first on the lands. While they're still a little bit affordable. Prices are hiking up unpredictably these days.
True, well this deck can do cause some people to go on tilt. Some players will keep just enough land in their opening seven, then imagine if you blow those up and they don't draw more land in time. ^^
And then is adjusted according to meta, style, flavour, and mana curve.
I disagree with this as being core to Ponza post the BBE unban.
This is what I believe is the core of the deck:
At least 21 Lands
4 Arbor Elf
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Blood Moon
4 Stone Rain
4 BBE
At least 1 Birds of Paradise (I personally don’t agree with this but majority of people still believe it is core to the deck)
At least 3 Molten Rain
At least 3 Tireless Tracker
At least 1 Chandra ToD
At least 3 creature finishers (any number of Inferno Titan or Stormbreath)
Anything else is preference. There are a bunch of lists that play Pia and Kiran Nalaar as a 1-2 of, Courser of Kruphix as a 1 of, Nissa VoZ as a 1, and some number of Lightning Bolts. These cards have been debated off and on thus can be regarded as not core to the strategy.
I was just listing core threats not trying to define the Archetypes entire card choices. BBE builds are currently most popular but there are many who still prefer acid moss and huntmasters, for example. And less than 4 trackers, less than 2 Chandra, and less than 2 inferno titan are seen in very very few lists, either BBE or non BBE. even the lists with 1 Chandra main simply put 1 Chandra side.
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What do you guys think about running 1-2x Siege-gang Commander in the MB. Perhaps in place of Pia & Kiran.
My thinking is that 5 CMC isn't too difficult to achieve, it creates more bodies, and can potentially deal more direct damage (and cheaper per sting) than P&K.
In all seriousness, it doesn't look too bad with the exception of Fulminator Mage, which is worse than Molten Rain as it can't hit basics. However, then it's less Jund and more just splashing black for K-Command, which isn't necessarily bad. If I were to splash a color, however, I'd go with white for the side board options.
What do you guys think about running 1-2x Siege-gang Commander in the MB. Perhaps in place of Pia & Kiran.
My thinking is that 5 CMC isn't too difficult to achieve, it creates more bodies, and can potentially deal more direct damage (and cheaper per sting) than P&K.
P&K are 1cmc cheaper and the incidental synergy with Tracker is actually more inpactful than I initially thought when I started playing it. It's a shade better IMO.
If you're running Rabblemasters then SGC may be worth a shot.
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What do you guys think about running 1-2x Siege-gang Commander in the MB. Perhaps in place of Pia & Kiran.
My thinking is that 5 CMC isn't too difficult to achieve, it creates more bodies, and can potentially deal more direct damage (and cheaper per sting) than P&K.
Here are a couple of things that have come up (as in actually come up and not just in theory for me)
1. The thopter tokens are colorless and can block Etched Champion. This will win you games you shouldn't be.
2. The thopter tokens fly and can block Inkmoth Nexus and other such flying threats, especially if they have a cranial plating on. I know Inkmoth is a land, but sometimes it will still come up.
3. You can sac the thopter tokens to Tireless Tracker for card draw even after P&K is killed.
4. P&K curves right after Voice.
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P&K are 1cmc cheaper and the incidental synergy with Tracker is actually more inpactful than I initially thought when I started playing it. It's a shade better IMO.
Thanks! I hadn't thought about the Tracker synergy but that makes a ton of sense. Previously, I had been running Jadelight Rangers instead of Tracker because I didn't have any. HOWEVER, I just picked up my playset + my remaining dual lands while at GP DFW last weekend, so I ought to be able to take advantage of that now! Excited to take this out for a whirl again :-D
Chandra is so good in Ponza that she can justify 2 main deck slots in almost every meta.
IMHO when building Ponza the core threat line up starts from here;
4x Tireless Tracker
2x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
2x Inferno Titan
And then is adjusted according to meta, style, flavour, and mana curve.
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Nissa is a flex slot and Chandra is a core slot. They do completely different things. Nissa is a defensive utility card. Chandra is a utility card, ramp card and win-con.
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GUWRB Amulet Titan
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I guess you had fun playing. ^^
Definitely get Stomping Grounds if you intend to play this deck for a long time. Cinder Glades are good as a temporary budget replacement, but they can sometimes cause a fatal slowdown in some games.
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I disagree with this as being core to Ponza post the BBE unban.
This is what I believe is the core of the deck:
At least 21 Lands
4 Arbor Elf
4 Utopia Sprawl
4 Blood Moon
4 Stone Rain
4 BBE
At least 1 Birds of Paradise (I personally don’t agree with this but majority of people still believe it is core to the deck)
At least 3 Molten Rain
At least 3 Tireless Tracker
At least 1 Chandra ToD
At least 3 creature finishers (any number of Inferno Titan or Stormbreath)
Anything else is preference. There are a bunch of lists that play Pia and Kiran Nalaar as a 1-2 of, Courser of Kruphix as a 1 of, Nissa VoZ as a 1, and some number of Lightning Bolts. These cards have been debated off and on thus can be regarded as not core to the strategy.
I can definitely get behind Kolaghan's Command since it can do more for you than lightning bolt. getting back fulminator mage or bloodbraid elf is typical jund value, I'm sure it will do wonders even in ponza.
Hehe yes I did! Even with people calling me a degenerate for blowing up their lands.
What I'll most likely do is get 1x Stomping Ground with my store credit, then wait/trade for another. I'd like to also get the Trackers, but Jadelight has been doing well enough that I can stall for the price to fall further.
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True, well this deck can do cause some people to go on tilt. Some players will keep just enough land in their opening seven, then imagine if you blow those up and they don't draw more land in time. ^^
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I was just listing core threats not trying to define the Archetypes entire card choices. BBE builds are currently most popular but there are many who still prefer acid moss and huntmasters, for example. And less than 4 trackers, less than 2 Chandra, and less than 2 inferno titan are seen in very very few lists, either BBE or non BBE. even the lists with 1 Chandra main simply put 1 Chandra side.
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My thinking is that 5 CMC isn't too difficult to achieve, it creates more bodies, and can potentially deal more direct damage (and cheaper per sting) than P&K.
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In all seriousness, it doesn't look too bad with the exception of Fulminator Mage, which is worse than Molten Rain as it can't hit basics. However, then it's less Jund and more just splashing black for K-Command, which isn't necessarily bad. If I were to splash a color, however, I'd go with white for the side board options.
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P&K are 1cmc cheaper and the incidental synergy with Tracker is actually more inpactful than I initially thought when I started playing it. It's a shade better IMO.
If you're running Rabblemasters then SGC may be worth a shot.
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Here are a couple of things that have come up (as in actually come up and not just in theory for me)
1. The thopter tokens are colorless and can block Etched Champion. This will win you games you shouldn't be.
2. The thopter tokens fly and can block Inkmoth Nexus and other such flying threats, especially if they have a cranial plating on. I know Inkmoth is a land, but sometimes it will still come up.
3. You can sac the thopter tokens to Tireless Tracker for card draw even after P&K is killed.
4. P&K curves right after Voice.
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What? Tireless Tracker doesn't work this way: it generates Clue Tokens which can be sacrificed to draw cards.
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BG The Rock, Straight BG
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RG Rabble! Rabble! (GR Blood Moon Aggro) GR
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Thanks! I hadn't thought about the Tracker synergy but that makes a ton of sense. Previously, I had been running Jadelight Rangers instead of Tracker because I didn't have any. HOWEVER, I just picked up my playset + my remaining dual lands while at GP DFW last weekend, so I ought to be able to take advantage of that now! Excited to take this out for a whirl again :-D
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Ugh brain fart. It’s the other way around- P&K can turn clues into shocks.
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So as i ve been playtesting this i wondered if you dont have any of the 10 mana accelerants in your hand its not worth keeping... agreed?