Really not entirely sure on decklists as I have been away from the deck for a while, but this is where I stand as of now. My previous phone crashed and it is taking me a long time to dig out and reenter all my decklists.
Ok, dunno if this is the correct thread for this deck but this is what I am tinkering with, it's assault loam w/o Seismic's, instead using a page from reanimator and using Borborygmos Enraged as the sac outlet and using Knight of the Reliquary to fetch up lands as well as being able to close out games himself.
Another take on Assault Loam. Unburial rites on Elesh Norn mb helps against aggro decks and g2 Iona on red is the main way to deal with the Burn MU. Much weaker to storm if anyone still plays that though. Sideboard is a bunch of random cards past the Iona and Terastodon.
I think four color loam is gonna be the way to go. Access to lingering souls, KotR, etc. I like the idea of abusing some reanimator with it, but worried that it forces the deck to do too much.
Any thoughts on bitterblossom? The usual complaints are too slow, but considering the "speed" of the reanimation plan, it might not be too bad
Is Worm Harvest even good as a finisher? I've never tried it because it looked slow and inconsistent.
Usually when I win, I've only got like 3-5 Lands in the Grave, and generally just recycle the same 3 with Loam ad infinitum, so I doubt getting 3 1/1s for 5 Mana is all that good all things considered.. :S
As for 4-Colour, I think that stretches the Mana too thin. Remember, this is a Deck that wants to get RRR a reasonable amount of the time, and that's hard enough as it as with 3 Colours..
Theis the need for access to black from thoughtseize and green for loam. White brings so much to the table, with lingering souls, path to exileexile, KotR, and sideboard cards it makes it difficult to pass up.
But you're right, hitting the rrr needed for seismic is difficult. I wonder if the deck should move towards flips deck. The sheer value off the canopy and KotR looks really good, along with borb as the endgame land dump. It doesn't force the mana stretch for rrr, does more damage, and can have sideboard reanimation targets like Iona or norn
Ok so with Treasure Cruise being banned, there was a slight hole left in my deck. Since then i've tested a few things and finally figured where i want to be. Here's an update as to where i'm at..
I've dropped Flame Jab from the deck completely. I never really used it, and now that we probably won't be seeing Delver everywhere it just doesn't seem as good. I guess we'll see what happens with the meta though, and who knows, maybe Jab will find it's way back. As usual though, crazy digging the deck. It just runs so consistent and smooth.
On the other hand, i like what i've been seeing on here lately. there are so many different ways you can take Assault Loam, and each version has such cool things going on.
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I do actually like the idea of Bitterblossom , the only downside I truly can see is that you have to have one in your starting hand. Whereas, Souls does not in order to get value. The nice thing about running Bitterblossom in this deck is you can easily offset the dmg with Vault of the Archangel activations.
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Current Decks Standard : WB Orzhov Vampires BWGUB Sultai Constrictor BUG Brawl : GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons BG Modern : GB Golgari Elves BGGR Atarka Goblins RG Pauper : W Heroic WGB Delve BG
Lord Hazanko this deck looks amazing. What are your matchup experiences so far? Also id go up to 4 bolt and cut something like ooze.
Thinking of sleeving this up and give it a Spin thus my testing time is Limited id really like to here so Reports
It is amazing. The deck is super consistent, and i always feel like i'm at least 50% against almost every match-up...
Except Junk. Wow is this match-up extremely annoying. And EVERYWHERE right now. last night i played on Cockatrice for like 3-4 hours and literally played nothing but Junk like 4-5 times in a row. Extremely annoying. Got smashed every single game.. so that's not good. I swear every time i tried to play a creature they got Lilied, but every time i have 3 Baloths in my hand they never had Lili, every time i played Assault it got Decayed, discardripped away all my answers, Scooze exiled my loam every damn time, Siege Rhino after Siege Rhino not only destroyed my life total but completely stabilized the opponent from anything i had managed to accomplish...
So i don't know what to do there. Super frustrating, and annoying. I feel great against literally every other deck, but if junk is like 70%+ of what i'm playing against, there's just no point.
Feeling very defeated right now.
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So far my biggest issue has been digging through half my deck without finding a much needed flame jab or not being able to snag an assault, but I might just need to play better.
If it was me I'd probably start with -4 Probe -2 Thought Scour +1 Assault +4 Lightning Bolt +1 Commune with the Gods. For more digging power I'd look to something more selective than Probe and Scour, like Commune or maybe Telling Time or just Serum Visions. Or if you really want to make the cheap cantrips work in the deck, try Monastery Mentor who would be great with both of those, though that weakens your sideboard plan. I know it's your tech and if you like it don't be dissuaded, but why transform after sideboard? If they board in enchantment removal against Assault, it hits Splinter Twin too. Same with other things they might board in like Thoughtseize, counterspells, Spellskites, Abrupt Decay. Sure they miss creature removal but I'm not sure you'd get the full bait and switch effect due to facing versatile hate cards that hit both combos. It also doesn't let you, as a fairly slow combo/mid-range deck, board against fast aggro, Affinity, Burn, or other strategies that can reasonably race both combos.
Yeah you are right, that's what it is called But where are you going then?
I don't know what i'm gonna do. The deck is awesome, and one of my favorites. It just has trouble with Junk, but i honestly think all Assault Loam decks are going to have trouble with Junk. Anyone who says different is lying, or a straight up MTG savant. It's like their entire deck is maindeck hate for us. It's just a lot to deal with.
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hazanko whats your list? I think you need to join them to beat them. I think the choices are NAYA for mentor and young pyro, and good white SB cards, or black for discard/slaughter games/lilly/etc.
I think black is the place to be now, and tasigur seems really strong in the deck too if you go that route.
hazanko whats your list? I think you need to join them to beat them. I think the choices are NAYA for mentor and young pyro, and good white SB cards, or black for discard/slaughter games/lilly/etc.
I think black is the place to be now, and tasigur seems really strong in the deck too if you go that route.
I don't want to sound too arrogant or anything, but i truly think my list is better, and more consistent, than the Naya, or Jund lists. I literally feel like i'm 50% or better against everything.. except Junk. that's though only match i've been really struggling with.
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4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Copperline Gorge
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
4 Graven Cairns
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Raging Ravine
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground
1 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Watery Grave
2 Anger of the Gods
4 Faithless Looting
2 Flame Jab
2 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Life from the Loam
2 Lightning Bolt
3 Liliana of the Veil
3 Raven's Crime
3 Seismic Assault
4 Smallpox
3 The Rack
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Anger of the Gods
2 Damnation
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Ghost Quarter
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Trading Post
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Blood Crypt
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Graven Cairns
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
1 Marsh Flats
3 Overgrown Tomb
1 Raging Ravine
2 Stomping Ground
2 Swamp
1 Treetop Village
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Bloodghast
4 Young Pyromancer
Spells 30
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Faithless Looting
2 Flame Jab
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Life from the Loam
2 Lightning Bolt
3 Raven's Crime
3 Seismic Assault
4 Smallpox
1 Worm Harvest
1 Ancient Grudge
3 Anger of the Gods
2 Courser of Kruphix
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Rakdos Charm
3 Thoughtseize
Really not entirely sure on decklists as I have been away from the deck for a while, but this is where I stand as of now. My previous phone crashed and it is taking me a long time to dig out and reenter all my decklists.
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Forest
1x Ghost Quarter
2x Godless Shrine
1x Horizon Canopy
3x Marsh Flats
3x Overgrown Tomb
1x Plains
1x Stirring Wildwood
1x Swamp
2x Tectonic Edge
1x Temple Garden
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Vault of the Archangel
3x Verdant Catacombs
3x Windswept Heath
1x Damnation
1x Jarad's Orders
4x Life from the Loam
3x Lingering Souls
3x Raven's Crime
2x Unburial Rites
1x Wrath of God
CREATURE (10)
2x Borborygmos Enraged
3x Courser of Kruphix
3x Knight of the Reliquary
2x Stinkweed Imp
PLANESWALKER (3)
3x Liliana of the Veil
INSTANT (6)
2x Abrupt Decay
3x Darkblast
1x Noxious Revival
2x Abrupt Decay
1x Choke
1x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1x Ghost Quarter
1x Iona, Shield of Emeria
4x Leyline of Sanctity
2x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Stony Silence
1x Tectonic Edge
Link to deck @ TappedOut.net
Current Decks
Standard : WB Orzhov Vampires BW GUB Sultai Constrictor BUG
Brawl : GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons BG
Modern : GB Golgari Elves BG GR Atarka Goblins RG
Pauper : W Heroic W GB Delve BG
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Swamp
1 Blood Crypt
1 Mountain
1 Forest
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Godless Shrine
2 Stomping Ground
1 Sacred Foundry
2 Graven Cairns
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
3 Life from the Loam
3 Terminate
3 Raven's Crime
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Faithless Looting
3 Seismic Assault
2 Unburial Rites
4 Commune with the Gods
2 Murderous Cut
1 Worm Harvest
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Pyroclasm
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Rakdos Charm
1 Ghost Quarter
3 Ancient Grudge
1 Stony Silence
1 Terastodon
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Nature's Claim
2 Obstinate Baloth
3 Ghostly Prison
Another take on Assault Loam. Unburial rites on Elesh Norn mb helps against aggro decks and g2 Iona on red is the main way to deal with the Burn MU. Much weaker to storm if anyone still plays that though. Sideboard is a bunch of random cards past the Iona and Terastodon.
Any thoughts on bitterblossom? The usual complaints are too slow, but considering the "speed" of the reanimation plan, it might not be too bad
My H/W list
Usually when I win, I've only got like 3-5 Lands in the Grave, and generally just recycle the same 3 with Loam ad infinitum, so I doubt getting 3 1/1s for 5 Mana is all that good all things considered.. :S
As for 4-Colour, I think that stretches the Mana too thin. Remember, this is a Deck that wants to get RRR a reasonable amount of the time, and that's hard enough as it as with 3 Colours..
But you're right, hitting the rrr needed for seismic is difficult. I wonder if the deck should move towards flips deck. The sheer value off the canopy and KotR looks really good, along with borb as the endgame land dump. It doesn't force the mana stretch for rrr, does more damage, and can have sideboard reanimation targets like Iona or norn
My H/W list
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Snapcaster Mage
3 Gifts Ungiven
3 Remand
3 Mana Leak
3 Spell Snare
2 Izzet Charm
3 Lightning Bolt
2 Electrolyze
1 Anger of the Gods
1 Slagstorm
1 Pyroclasm
3 Seismic Assault
2 Life From The Loam
1 Noxious Revival
3 Scalding Tarn
3 Wooded Foothills
4 Sulfur Falls
2 Steam Vents
2 Stomping Grounds
1 Breeding Pool
1 Island
1 Mountain
1 Forest
1 Raging Ravine
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Tectonic Edge
4 Obstinate Baloth
2 Pithing Needle
2 Combust
1 Negate
1 Dispel
1 Shatterstorm
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Deglamer
1 Unravel the Æther
1 Keranos, God of Storms
I've dropped Flame Jab from the deck completely. I never really used it, and now that we probably won't be seeing Delver everywhere it just doesn't seem as good. I guess we'll see what happens with the meta though, and who knows, maybe Jab will find it's way back. As usual though, crazy digging the deck. It just runs so consistent and smooth.
On the other hand, i like what i've been seeing on here lately. there are so many different ways you can take Assault Loam, and each version has such cool things going on.
Current Decks
Standard : WB Orzhov Vampires BW GUB Sultai Constrictor BUG
Brawl : GB Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons BG
Modern : GB Golgari Elves BG GR Atarka Goblins RG
Pauper : W Heroic W GB Delve BG
It is amazing. The deck is super consistent, and i always feel like i'm at least 50% against almost every match-up...
Except Junk. Wow is this match-up extremely annoying. And EVERYWHERE right now. last night i played on Cockatrice for like 3-4 hours and literally played nothing but Junk like 4-5 times in a row. Extremely annoying. Got smashed every single game.. so that's not good. I swear every time i tried to play a creature they got Lilied, but every time i have 3 Baloths in my hand they never had Lili, every time i played Assault it got Decayed, discard ripped away all my answers, Scooze exiled my loam every damn time, Siege Rhino after Siege Rhino not only destroyed my life total but completely stabilized the opponent from anything i had managed to accomplish...
So i don't know what to do there. Super frustrating, and annoying. I feel great against literally every other deck, but if junk is like 70%+ of what i'm playing against, there's just no point.
Feeling very defeated right now.
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The Gifts List you listed is just 4c Gifts, which is a cool deck and all, but not what i'm really going for.
3 Seismic Assault
4 Life from the Loam
4 Faithless Looting
3 Raven's Crime
4 Gitaxian Probe
2 Flame Jab
Planeswalkers:
2 Liliana of the Veil
Instants:
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Izzet Charm
3 Remand
2 Thought Scour
Lands:
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Graven Cairns
1 Breeding Pool
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Watery Grave
1 Desolate Lighthouse
3 Ghost Quarter
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Steam Vents
2 Creeping Tar Pit
2 Stomping Ground
1 Cascade Bluffs
2 Blood Crypt
1 Island
4 Splinter Twin
4 Pestermite
2 Deceiver Exarch
4 Serum Visions
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
So far my biggest issue has been digging through half my deck without finding a much needed flame jab or not being able to snag an assault, but I might just need to play better.
I don't know what i'm gonna do. The deck is awesome, and one of my favorites. It just has trouble with Junk, but i honestly think all Assault Loam decks are going to have trouble with Junk. Anyone who says different is lying, or a straight up MTG savant. It's like their entire deck is maindeck hate for us. It's just a lot to deal with.
I think black is the place to be now, and tasigur seems really strong in the deck too if you go that route.
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Snapcaster Mage
3 Gifts Ungiven
3 Remand
3 Mana Leak
3 Spell Snare
2 Izzet Charm
3 Lightning Bolt
2 Electrolyze
1 Anger of the Gods
1 Slagstorm
1 Pyroclasm
3 Seismic Assault
2 Life From The Loam
1 Noxious Revival
3 Scalding Tarn
3 Wooded Foothills
4 Sulfur Falls
2 Steam Vents
2 Stomping Grounds
1 Breeding Pool
1 Island
1 Mountain
1 Forest
1 Raging Ravine
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Tectonic Edge
3 Obstinate Baloth
3 Combust
2 Pithing Needle
1 Negate
1 Dispel
1 Shatterstorm
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Deglamer
1 Unravel the Æther
1 Keranos, God of Storms
I don't want to sound too arrogant or anything, but i truly think my list is better, and more consistent, than the Naya, or Jund lists. I literally feel like i'm 50% or better against everything.. except Junk. that's though only match i've been really struggling with.
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Eternal Witness
1 Sun Titan
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
2 Seismic Assault
3 Life from the Loam
4 Faithless Looting
4 Commune with the Gods
3 Lingering Souls
1 Flame Jab
2 Unburial Rites
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Path to Exile
Lands
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Windswept Heath
1 Arid Mesa
2 Stomping Ground
2 Temple Garden
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Blood Crypt
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Rugged Prairie
2 Raging Ravine
1 Stirring Wildwood
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Mountain
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Tectonic Edge
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Terastodon
2 Stony Silence
3 Timely Reinforcements
1 Ray of Revelation
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
4 Leyline of Sanctity