I don't play neither bob nor arena.
bob makes smallpox weaker. It gives us a dilemma when we want to play smallpox.
I see bob only in sideboard.
I don't like arena no more.
for a CCM of three, I'm waiting something that has more impact on the game as we don't go to 3 lands on the battletfield at every game (thanx to smallpox).
Liliana of the veil does, bontu's last reckoning does.
that land gives us an expensive draw, but it produces B before, and it doesn't take the slot of any discard card in the deck.
I confess I didn't play 8 rack since quite one year.
I forgot modern horizons' draw lands. I think they are better.
here are my thoughts about your list (I won't tell you to play monoB ) :
- I don't like desenchant main deck. is it due to you local meta ?
- You have 23 lands and want to play 4 smallpox. 10 of your lands don't provides you B. You wont be able to play smallpox on T2 as regularly as you need, when it is the more efficient.
- you have no fast spot removal (either fatal push or path to exile). it should be hard against aggro decks
- neither spirit is a good add in. I have to include one too in my deck
- If you have no liliana, you have to include the enchantment for 3CCM that forces each player to discard each turn (I don't remember the name).
you can put 2 davriel more.
- look at funeral charm, it is very versatil : spot remove a dork, a bob, or boost a neither spirit or mutavault or discard at instant speed !!
- why do you play Leyline of Sanctity in the side ?
- Yes and no, with Stoneforge Mystic and Edlaine,
it's gonna be MDeck for me.
- 23 lands it's enought I most play Smallpox on T3 but yes some time I mulligan because I have 3 lands on hand but no B...
- I tray without Fatal or Path because I have more blockers than on my mono black where I run only 2 nethers.
But you right it hurt.
- Yep no Lili T.T (not yet), Necrogen Mist is on the buying list ^^.
- Funeral charm really love that card, I have a set and add in sometimes.
- Leyline it's local meta, I have a lot of burn, mill and some storm.
once more I don't like the desenchant. for 2CCM, you can imagine other solutions that are mores polyvalent. torpor orb : it breaks all the ETB effects of creatures such as SFM, snapcaster mage, knight of autumn, human or spirit decks. liliana's triumph : a must have, even if you haven't any liliana : It forces your opponent to sac a creature et pass trough leyline of sanctity (you don't target the opponent) !
In the same way, there is blessed alliance to force your opponent to sac its germ equipped with a batterskull or any sword and attacking alone. Blessed alliance is very good against burn too !
I can see Ashiok, Dream Render in your side too, or maybe maindeck, just to inhibit all fetches, Whir of Invention, chord of calling, SFM (yes too!!), bring to light, scapeshift. It gives you an alternative solution to deal with graveyard decks.
i would assume you're on a budget. (i am too, don't have lili's)
this are my comment about your list:
manabase: you're still more of a black deck so flagstones of trokair is a bit odd here and may cause manascrew, i suggest to replace it with concealed courtyard. i would also replace buried ruin with concealed courtyard due to same manascrew problem besides ruin can only return artifacts, i think you already have enough rack effects to give up buried ruin.
oblivion ring/disenchant: i think this are sideboard cards, i'd suggest to replace them with removals, let our discard handle problematic cards G1.
@Marcovitch,
i might try a 1-of that land, it produces black and the untapped condition is easily fulfilled. the activation cost is a bit high specially if you're playing smallpox, but if the situation calls for it atleast i have something that i can use.
another card that interest me in ELD is Murderous Rider, it's a hero's downfall + a creature with lifelink in 1-card, i can see it as a good sideboard card against decks that we need to pressure just like UW control.
Thks a lot for yours feedback both of you.
Now I have a doubt. I do not know if I splash white or if I invest in the mono black with 2 or 3 lili to replace Davriel ...
( I do not have the W cards yet )
Thks a lot for yours feedback both of you.
Now I have a doubt. I do not know if I splash white or if I invest in the mono black with 2 or 3 lili to replace Davriel ...
( I do not have the W cards yet )
Hey thks a lot,
Yes I deleted it from my last post because I do not want to flood with all updates of my deck.
You can still saw it on my profil if needed.
I just wonder if that following Throne of Eldraine card coudld be played as a one or two of :
Castle Locthwain
Land
Castle Locthwain enters the battlefield tapped unless you control a Swamp.
T: Add B.
1BB, T: Draw a card, then you lose life equal to the number of cards in your hand.
It brings a draw mechanism at reasonable cost.
controlling a swamp seems not a problem.
What do you think about it ?
The problem is that with Smallpox and Raven's Crime... You Will never have 4 lands to play the hability of the Castle...
Thks a lot for yours feedback both of you.
Now I have a doubt. I do not know if I splash white or if I invest in the mono black with 2 or 3 lili to replace Davriel ...
( I do not have the W cards yet )
Thks a lot for yours feedback both of you.
Now I have a doubt. I do not know if I splash white or if I invest in the mono black with 2 or 3 lili to replace Davriel ...
( I do not have the W cards yet )
Next Sunday there is a big competition in my local store. I will tell you how my 10-racks did it.
Did you use Ghost Quarter before? Imo it's pretty weak in 8Rack, good vs Tron, but not worth it to run main because color requirements are high. Also I'm not a fan of Liliana's Triumph, imo it's win-more, I would prefer versatility of Funeral Charm or power of Wrench Mind
Thks a lot for yours feedback both of you.
Now I have a doubt. I do not know if I splash white or if I invest in the mono black with 2 or 3 lili to replace Davriel ...
( I do not have the W cards yet )
Next Sunday there is a big competition in my local store. I will tell you how my 10-racks did it.
Did you use Ghost Quarter before? Imo it's pretty weak in 8Rack, good vs Tron, but not worth it to run main because color requirements are high. Also I'm not a fan of Liliana's Triumph, imo it's win-more, I would prefer versatility of Funeral Charm or power of Wrench Mind
Yes, the two slots of The Liliana's Triumph was dificult to choose. I was between The 3 cards you said (liliana's Triumph, funeral charm and wrench Mind). I just choose The Triumph for my meta (a lot of artifact with de Tron, urza, etc. And Big creatures) but that two slots anyone can try yo use any of The other cards you said. And, if U need more discard, I have Delirium in my side.
With the Ghost quarter, yes, It can be a problem with the mana, but I think The deck can handle thanks yo The urborgs. And, As well, in my meta there is a lot of Tron, scapeshift...I have Lost a lot of games for not be able to eliminate a land.
I love playing 8 Rack. Its totally my favorite modern deck, however, with so many planeswalkers in the meta now, I need a better way to deal with them, especially since The Rack now longer redirects damage to planeswalkers (why couldnt they revise the text on that card to keep the redirect ability?).
For mono black, what recommendations do you have for Planeswalker removal? I run Pithing Needle in the sideboard, but I have had a game where I actually had the win, but the planeswalker in play prevented me from ever winning (dont remember the card name, but it was a passive ability that if the planeswalker was in play, the player couldnt lose even after 0 life). If I cant deal with a Planeswalker on the board, it feels like game over, even if they arent doing much more than that.
I love playing 8 Rack. Its totally my favorite modern deck, however, with so many planeswalkers in the meta now, I need a better way to deal with them, especially since The Rack now longer redirects damage to planeswalkers (why couldnt they revise the text on that card to keep the redirect ability?).
For mono black, what recommendations do you have for Planeswalker removal? I run Pithing Needle in the sideboard, but I have had a game where I actually had the win, but the planeswalker in play prevented me from ever winning (dont remember the card name, but it was a passive ability that if the planeswalker was in play, the player couldnt lose even after 0 life). If I cant deal with a Planeswalker on the board, it feels like game over, even if they arent doing much more than that.
I run 2 Vampire hexmage in the sideboard. It's very useful as it aplies pressure too
I love playing 8 Rack. Its totally my favorite modern deck, however, with so many planeswalkers in the meta now, I need a better way to deal with them, especially since The Rack now longer redirects damage to planeswalkers (why couldnt they revise the text on that card to keep the redirect ability?).
For mono black, what recommendations do you have for Planeswalker removal? I run Pithing Needle in the sideboard, but I have had a game where I actually had the win, but the planeswalker in play prevented me from ever winning (dont remember the card name, but it was a passive ability that if the planeswalker was in play, the player couldnt lose even after 0 life). If I cant deal with a Planeswalker on the board, it feels like game over, even if they arent doing much more than that.
Yes that change hurt 8Rack a lot. Our grind plan breaks apart when they gain card advantage every turn (recent walkers tend to do that, older ones werent so oppressive). Companion decks also should be very good vs us. Starting every game with 8 cards is huge vs 8Rack
Oh I left planeswalker hate question
Probably because I didnt know good tools vs planeswalkers Pithing Needle and Vampire Hexmage are weak because 1) they are narrow 2) first they cast planeswalker and get card advantage from it, then we cast our answer and it eliminates planeswalker. so a card disadvantage which is very bad for 8Rack (yes you can needle walker in advance but this has its own cons, most decks tend to use various walkers) Eliminate, Hero's Downfall and Murderous Rider are also kinda weak because again they use planeswalker, then we get rid of it. They 2-for-1'ed us.
I used to get rid of walkers with Rack + Muta but now this plan is 10 times worse because Rack cant hit and walkers are much better (cheaper and more card advantage) Nether Spirit I think should be in main so it kinda helps to keep walkers in check
but if you have Bob or Arena it's not needed, imao.
bob makes smallpox weaker. It gives us a dilemma when we want to play smallpox.
I see bob only in sideboard.
I don't like arena no more.
for a CCM of three, I'm waiting something that has more impact on the game as we don't go to 3 lands on the battletfield at every game (thanx to smallpox).
Liliana of the veil does, bontu's last reckoning does.
that land gives us an expensive draw, but it produces B before, and it doesn't take the slot of any discard card in the deck.
Idk if I more like Silent or Castle in mono black rack.
Silent Imo can help during all the game, and castle would be moste played mid/end during eot.
It's an good land for sure.
I forgot modern horizons' draw lands. I think they are better.
here are my thoughts about your list (I won't tell you to play monoB ) :
- I don't like desenchant main deck. is it due to you local meta ?
- You have 23 lands and want to play 4 smallpox. 10 of your lands don't provides you B. You wont be able to play smallpox on T2 as regularly as you need, when it is the more efficient.
- you have no fast spot removal (either fatal push or path to exile). it should be hard against aggro decks
- neither spirit is a good add in. I have to include one too in my deck
- If you have no liliana, you have to include the enchantment for 3CCM that forces each player to discard each turn (I don't remember the name).
you can put 2 davriel more.
- look at funeral charm, it is very versatil : spot remove a dork, a bob, or boost a neither spirit or mutavault or discard at instant speed !!
- why do you play Leyline of Sanctity in the side ?
PS @Dizi : I sent you a mp
- Yes and no, with Stoneforge Mystic and Edlaine,
it's gonna be MDeck for me.
- 23 lands it's enought I most play Smallpox on T3 but yes some time I mulligan because I have 3 lands on hand but no B...
- I tray without Fatal or Path because I have more blockers than on my mono black where I run only 2 nethers.
But you right it hurt.
- Yep no Lili T.T (not yet), Necrogen Mist is on the buying list ^^.
- Funeral charm really love that card, I have a set and add in sometimes.
- Leyline it's local meta, I have a lot of burn, mill and some storm.
I feel didn't play your list, but I feel like you don't have discard enough to maintain pressure.
necrogin mist seems really essential in your deck.
Maybe you can include the slow lock with Dakmor Salvage as you play already the raven's crime.
once more I don't like the desenchant. for 2CCM, you can imagine other solutions that are mores polyvalent.
torpor orb : it breaks all the ETB effects of creatures such as SFM, snapcaster mage, knight of autumn, human or spirit decks.
liliana's triumph : a must have, even if you haven't any liliana : It forces your opponent to sac a creature et pass trough leyline of sanctity (you don't target the opponent) !
In the same way, there is blessed alliance to force your opponent to sac its germ equipped with a batterskull or any sword and attacking alone.
Blessed alliance is very good against burn too !
I can see Ashiok, Dream Render in your side too, or maybe maindeck, just to inhibit all fetches, Whir of Invention, chord of calling, SFM (yes too!!), bring to light, scapeshift. It gives you an alternative solution to deal with graveyard decks.
this are my comment about your list:
i might try a 1-of that land, it produces black and the untapped condition is easily fulfilled. the activation cost is a bit high specially if you're playing smallpox, but if the situation calls for it atleast i have something that i can use.
another card that interest me in ELD is Murderous Rider, it's a hero's downfall + a creature with lifelink in 1-card, i can see it as a good sideboard card against decks that we need to pressure just like UW control.
Now I have a doubt. I do not know if I splash white or if I invest in the mono black with 2 or 3 lili to replace Davriel ...
( I do not have the W cards yet )
List of the last night local meta :
1 Amulet titan
1 Bant eldrazi
1 WB Pikula
1 Spirit stoneblade
1 Mono W eldrazi
1 RG valakut
1 Goblins
1 10 rack
1 Bant stoneblade
1 Bant soulherder
1 G tron
1 U faeries
2 Jeskai stoneblade
1 UW Spirit
1 Jund
I made changes on the deck following your advice,
It could be cool this way I must tray it on untapin.
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@Dizi
Did you delete your new list ?
well, here are 4 articles written by Tom Ross itself, the 8 rack's Dad :
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/33726_Paint-It-Black-The-Complete-Guide-To-8-Rack.html
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/35890_The-Rack-Is-Back.html
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/34621_8-Rack-Makes-A-Splash.html
http://www.starcitygames.com/articles/38488_12-Rack-Introducing-Davriel-Rogue-Shadowmage.html
You really should read them !
The third one treats the White splash and the last one introduces WAR cards like davriel.
Yes I deleted it from my last post because I do not want to flood with all updates of my deck.
You can still saw it on my profil if needed.
I will read them all ; )
The problem is that with Smallpox and Raven's Crime... You Will never have 4 lands to play the hability of the Castle...
Here is my decklist if you want to take some ideas:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/673286#paper
Next Sunday there is a big competition in my local store. I will tell you how my 10-racks did it.
G Green Stompy
RG Shamans
UB Mill
UG Infect
WUBRG Slivers!
Yes, the two slots of The Liliana's Triumph was dificult to choose. I was between The 3 cards you said (liliana's Triumph, funeral charm and wrench Mind). I just choose The Triumph for my meta (a lot of artifact with de Tron, urza, etc. And Big creatures) but that two slots anyone can try yo use any of The other cards you said. And, if U need more discard, I have Delirium in my side.
With the Ghost quarter, yes, It can be a problem with the mana, but I think The deck can handle thanks yo The urborgs. And, As well, in my meta there is a lot of Tron, scapeshift...I have Lost a lot of games for not be able to eliminate a land.
For mono black, what recommendations do you have for Planeswalker removal? I run Pithing Needle in the sideboard, but I have had a game where I actually had the win, but the planeswalker in play prevented me from ever winning (dont remember the card name, but it was a passive ability that if the planeswalker was in play, the player couldnt lose even after 0 life). If I cant deal with a Planeswalker on the board, it feels like game over, even if they arent doing much more than that.
I run 2 Vampire hexmage in the sideboard. It's very useful as it aplies pressure too
G Green Stompy
RG Shamans
UB Mill
UG Infect
WUBRG Slivers!
Probably because I didnt know good tools vs planeswalkers
Pithing Needle and Vampire Hexmage are weak because 1) they are narrow 2) first they cast planeswalker and get card advantage from it, then we cast our answer and it eliminates planeswalker. so a card disadvantage which is very bad for 8Rack (yes you can needle walker in advance but this has its own cons, most decks tend to use various walkers)
Eliminate, Hero's Downfall and Murderous Rider are also kinda weak because again they use planeswalker, then we get rid of it. They 2-for-1'ed us.
I used to get rid of walkers with Rack + Muta but now this plan is 10 times worse because Rack cant hit and walkers are much better (cheaper and more card advantage)
Nether Spirit I think should be in main so it kinda helps to keep walkers in check
G Green Stompy
RG Shamans
UB Mill
UG Infect
WUBRG Slivers!
Using Urza's Saga as Rack 5-8
Any thougths?