What does everyone thing of 3 Dark confidant in SB? Against trobulesome decks that are hard to discard like any variants of Tron. And also Lantern control, considering its rise in popularity. Opponents will side out most of the creature removal, making bob stick to the board. Plus it acts as an wincon against lantern with no bridges postboard.
Bob is an option; however, it mainly presents itself in the Bridge version of 8-Rack. I very rarely see it being played, but there are other options you can bring in. For example, Pack Rat or Asylum Visitor is very popular. I am on the Pack Rat option as if they do not have an answer to deal with Pack Rat, then it will be over very soon for my opponent.
Lantern Control shouldn't ever be a problem against us period. Game 1 we basically already have them doing what we want them to do, so if we drop the Rack or Shrieking Affliction on them, then it is pretty much good game. After sideboards, we bring in our creature package and a flex card while removing our own Creature Removal (Dismember, Fatal, Bontu's).
If you check my list, I run 5 creatures in my sideboard: 4x Pack Rat, 1x Death's Shadow. You try to keep your creature package around 4-5. Sometimes you see people running 2x Death's Shadow and 2x Asylum Visitor others run 4x Pack Rat lone.
Haven't read through the forum, but would it be okay to get rid of small pox. Add ensnaring bridge. And splash green for ancient stirrings.helos you find your lock and kill. And than we have a green splash for decay, pulse . I'm fairly new to the deck. But since ancient stirrings is just crazy, I was wondering if it fit.
Haven't read through the forum, but would it be okay to get rid of small pox. Add ensnaring bridge. And splash green for ancient stirrings.helos you find your lock and kill. And than we have a green splash for decay, pulse . I'm fairly new to the deck. But since ancient stirrings is just crazy, I was wondering if it fit.
Smallpox is such an integral part to the deck, in my opinion. It's a 3 for one, in that it destroys a land, kills a creature, and takes a card from their hand (yes, a point of life too). It keeps all of their resources and threats low in every state of play. It almost seems like heresy to cut it.
Other, potentially better targets would probably be Wrench Mind and some of your creature removal package, if you're looking to avoid creature threats through Ensnaring Bridge, rather than removal.
The problem that many people, I think, see and experience with Bridge is that you put too much reliance on it protecting you, weakening your survivability if you fail to find or protect it. Game 2, many people board in Artifact hate to deal with The Rack, making Bridge even more susceptible too. Which is why Tom Ross and other top 8 8Rack decks don't run Bridge.
However, give it a shot and it may work for you in a brew that not many have tried or at least haven't reported results about.
Haven't read through the forum, but would it be okay to get rid of small pox. Add ensnaring bridge. And splash green for ancient stirrings.helos you find your lock and kill. And than we have a green splash for decay, pulse . I'm fairly new to the deck. But since ancient stirrings is just crazy, I was wondering if it fit.
So this is a very common question when it comes to the deck itself, what type of strategy you want to implement to slow your opponent down. The Ensnaring Bridge build is common; however, many and the majority agree that the Mono-Black Pox build is the most consistent and effective build. This does not mean that Bridge is not good, but just not as effective. A Green splash does exist for Decay, Stirrings, and even sideboard cards like Naturalize. My advice to you, test it out and see how you like it. It is most important that the deck suits your style of play, and not the rest. Personally with all Modern and even Constructed formats, the deck that you can master and compliment your style of play the most will majority of the time show you more success.
Do you sideboard out 4x Smallpox if you board in your creature package?
The answer to this question is it depends; however, the majority of the time, the answer is no. Pox can completely wreck an opponents gameplan if they get hit early on. creatures may not necessarily hit the floor early, as you still want to stay on course with the decks overall plan of discard. Once you notice your opponent seems to be falling behind because of pox or discard, then drop your creature and begin wrecking havoc on them.
Play 4 Ravens Crime. Period.
Funeral Charm is great, use it, much needed versatility
Creatures arent going very well with Smallpox (and Bontu). Maybe Shortfang is worth it but I dont think Asylum Visitor is.
I was very pleased to see Angrath as it pushes for a possible B/R Control build instead of the typical aggro deck we see with Rakdos colors. Instead of seeing likes of Aggro, you might see a B/R control deck with Wrench Mind and Crimes here. It'll be interesting to see what comes out from this.
As for this into 8-Rack decks? The answer is no. At 5 CMC, the card is just way to expensive for us to use. It's a fun planeswalker but not for 8-Rack.
I will experiment with him as a 1-2 of for now and let you all know. Just thought he was neat and I've always liked the idea of a R/B 8rack with Blighting, K-command, etc.
I will experiment with him as a 1-2 of for now and let you all know. Just thought he was neat and I've always liked the idea of a R/B 8rack with Blighting, K-command, etc.
B/R 8-Rack has existed in the past. The issue is our strategy finds us usually dumping our hand fairly quickly and stopping at 3-4 lands on the battlefield most the time. It'll definitely be a very cool build around in a B/R Control build, but just think it is too mana intensive and costly for 8-Rack in terms of strategy.
I've just picked up the cards for the decks this week and I am looking to play it in two tourneys this weekend. Right now I've just build the Tom Ross list from his article a couple months back. I think I like it as a starting point and would not want to change to much. I am considering changing the sideboard a little bit though. I don't really think leyline is enough to fix our graveyard matchups (living end, dredge), nor do I expect those matchups to be popular. I also feel I might need a little bit of crutch for the aggro matchups until I've gotten more experience with the deck. So therefore I'm considering adding a third Bontu's, a night of souls betrayal and maybe two surgicals to still have some form of graveyard hate. Any thoughts on this? Or should I just forego the yard hate entirely? I'm usually the dredge player myself and I'm not expecting any others at this tournament. Mostly expecting storm, UW control, some Shadow and some flavours of tron.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
Current Sideboard
1 Asylum Visitor
2 Death's Shadow
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Fatal Push
1 Shadow of Doubt
2 Bontu's Last Reckoning
4 Delirium Skeins
I would dump the Shadow of Doubt for the 3rd Bontu's, personally. Night of Souls' Betrayal is a sweet card, just not in the deck. The CMC is too high for where you'll be. Getting to 4 mana can be troublesome, some matches, which is what makes Leyline a bit dangerous as well. If you don't have it in the opening hand, getting it on the board will be rough. Several lists have moved to Surgicals, as you suggested, and Nihil Spellbomb. My personal preference is for a split of those 2 cards, instead of the Leylines.
Otherwise, I think you're at a good starting point and will just need practice with the deck, understanding what to take, sequencing/timing, etc. Good luck!
I can't speak to Living End, but v Dredge, necessary. If they can't operate out of the GY, they're unlikely to fire at all, since you'll keep the land situation so low for them. My buddy plays Dredge and post sideboard, if there's GY hate available, it wreaks havoc on his plans. It's a rough matchup in general, because our strategy plays into exactly what they want, making the GY hate necessary. A Surgical or 2 isn't going to get you there, which is why you need something like a Spellbomb to clear the whole yard.
Haven't read through the forum, but would it be okay to get rid of small pox. Add ensnaring bridge. And splash green for ancient stirrings.helos you find your lock and kill. And than we have a green splash for decay, pulse . I'm fairly new to the deck. But since ancient stirrings is just crazy, I was wondering if it fit.
I run a BG 8 rack list, mainly for Golgari Charm. It answers Leyline of Sanctity, can win the game against affinity, elves, BW tokens, etc.
My list also runs smallpox and no ancient stirrings, but the nice thing about this deck is you can make your own list depending on your meta.
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RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
So it appears the new Blood Sun will be a card that may affect tier decks in the modern meta. As for now, the only land we have that gets hurt is Manavault and potential fetches. Urborg does not get effected due to layers (Urborg is layer 4 and Blood Sun is layer 6)
When playing 8-rack how do you folks turn on Revolt for Fatal Push? I see these 4 ways, which still feels too few:
Urborg Legend rule
Fetching using the lone Marsh Flats or Bloodstained Mire
One of your Mutavaults dieing in combat
Smallpox destroying one of your lands
Am I missing other ways to trigger Revolt?
Actually, most lists are running more than 1 Fetch now. Also consider the likes of Creatures post sideboard. I've seen some lists even running up to 5 Fetches.
Bob is an option; however, it mainly presents itself in the Bridge version of 8-Rack. I very rarely see it being played, but there are other options you can bring in. For example, Pack Rat or Asylum Visitor is very popular. I am on the Pack Rat option as if they do not have an answer to deal with Pack Rat, then it will be over very soon for my opponent.
Lantern Control shouldn't ever be a problem against us period. Game 1 we basically already have them doing what we want them to do, so if we drop the Rack or Shrieking Affliction on them, then it is pretty much good game. After sideboards, we bring in our creature package and a flex card while removing our own Creature Removal (Dismember, Fatal, Bontu's).
If you check my list, I run 5 creatures in my sideboard: 4x Pack Rat, 1x Death's Shadow. You try to keep your creature package around 4-5. Sometimes you see people running 2x Death's Shadow and 2x Asylum Visitor others run 4x Pack Rat lone.
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Pauper:
UUDelverlUU
Smallpox is such an integral part to the deck, in my opinion. It's a 3 for one, in that it destroys a land, kills a creature, and takes a card from their hand (yes, a point of life too). It keeps all of their resources and threats low in every state of play. It almost seems like heresy to cut it.
Other, potentially better targets would probably be Wrench Mind and some of your creature removal package, if you're looking to avoid creature threats through Ensnaring Bridge, rather than removal.
The problem that many people, I think, see and experience with Bridge is that you put too much reliance on it protecting you, weakening your survivability if you fail to find or protect it. Game 2, many people board in Artifact hate to deal with The Rack, making Bridge even more susceptible too. Which is why Tom Ross and other top 8 8Rack decks don't run Bridge.
However, give it a shot and it may work for you in a brew that not many have tried or at least haven't reported results about.
So this is a very common question when it comes to the deck itself, what type of strategy you want to implement to slow your opponent down. The Ensnaring Bridge build is common; however, many and the majority agree that the Mono-Black Pox build is the most consistent and effective build. This does not mean that Bridge is not good, but just not as effective. A Green splash does exist for Decay, Stirrings, and even sideboard cards like Naturalize. My advice to you, test it out and see how you like it. It is most important that the deck suits your style of play, and not the rest. Personally with all Modern and even Constructed formats, the deck that you can master and compliment your style of play the most will majority of the time show you more success.
BB8-RackBB
Pauper:
UUDelverlUU
The answer to this question is it depends; however, the majority of the time, the answer is no. Pox can completely wreck an opponents gameplan if they get hit early on. creatures may not necessarily hit the floor early, as you still want to stay on course with the decks overall plan of discard. Once you notice your opponent seems to be falling behind because of pox or discard, then drop your creature and begin wrecking havoc on them.
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Pauper:
UUDelverlUU
1 Nezumi Shortfang
1 Asylum Visitor
Enchantment
4 Shrieking Affliction
Land
4 Mutavault
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Bloodstained Mire
14 Swamp
Artifact
4 The Rack
Instant
3 Fatal Push
1 Dismember
3 Wrench Mind
2 Blackmail
4 Smallpox
3 Raven's Crime
2 Thoughtseize
1 Bontu's Last Reckoning
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
Planeswalker
4 Liliana of the Veil
3 Pack Rat
1 Asylum Visitor
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Shadow of Doubt
2 Dismember
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Fatal Push
2 Delirium Skeins
1 Bontu's Last Reckoning
Funeral Charm is great, use it, much needed versatility
Creatures arent going very well with Smallpox (and Bontu). Maybe Shortfang is worth it but I dont think Asylum Visitor is.
G Green Stompy
RG Shamans
UB Mill
UG Infect
WUBRG Slivers!
Way too high on the mana curve, but a cool card.
As for this into 8-Rack decks? The answer is no. At 5 CMC, the card is just way to expensive for us to use. It's a fun planeswalker but not for 8-Rack.
BB8-RackBB
Pauper:
UUDelverlUU
B/R 8-Rack has existed in the past. The issue is our strategy finds us usually dumping our hand fairly quickly and stopping at 3-4 lands on the battlefield most the time. It'll definitely be a very cool build around in a B/R Control build, but just think it is too mana intensive and costly for 8-Rack in terms of strategy.
BB8-RackBB
Pauper:
UUDelverlUU
I would dump the Shadow of Doubt for the 3rd Bontu's, personally. Night of Souls' Betrayal is a sweet card, just not in the deck. The CMC is too high for where you'll be. Getting to 4 mana can be troublesome, some matches, which is what makes Leyline a bit dangerous as well. If you don't have it in the opening hand, getting it on the board will be rough. Several lists have moved to Surgicals, as you suggested, and Nihil Spellbomb. My personal preference is for a split of those 2 cards, instead of the Leylines.
Otherwise, I think you're at a good starting point and will just need practice with the deck, understanding what to take, sequencing/timing, etc. Good luck!
I run a BG 8 rack list, mainly for Golgari Charm. It answers Leyline of Sanctity, can win the game against affinity, elves, BW tokens, etc.
My list also runs smallpox and no ancient stirrings, but the nice thing about this deck is you can make your own list depending on your meta.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
BB8-RackBB
Pauper:
UUDelverlUU
Am I missing other ways to trigger Revolt?
Actually, most lists are running more than 1 Fetch now. Also consider the likes of Creatures post sideboard. I've seen some lists even running up to 5 Fetches.
BB8-RackBB
Pauper:
UUDelverlUU