Everything seems to be in order, thank you for dedicating your time for this. I'm not sure how lively this thread will be in the future but at the very least it'll help people looking to adopt the deck. Good work!
And thanks to you too. You are a great help in setting up the primer. As you provided an updated decklist, and also gave details on things I don't know about.. like the sideboard strategy for Amulet Titan.
Tips and Tricks
1 Be mindful that a Gideon of the Trials at 3 loyalty can still be killed by a Lightning Storm without any lands pitched
2 Be mindful that a Flickerwisp can exile a Phyrexian Unlife in a pinch to deal lethal combat damage when needed
Tips and Tricks
1 Use Path to Exile on a mana bear in response to the first ritual effect
2 Be mindful that some Storm list play Blood Moon, if your opponent is play fetch lands like Scalding Tarn they are more likely to be playing Blood Moon than lists that play Shivan Reef
3 Be mindful that some lists also like to pivot into a transformational sideboard of Madcap Experiment and Platinum Emperion
Basic Land count: 5
2 Island
2 Snow-Covered Island
1 Mountain
nice Ad Nauseam guide, I copied everything you wrote and added to primer.
I know we can't make a side guide for all decks in modern, but I think we should at least do a sideboard guide against the more popular combo decks like Ad Nau and Storm. So that people new to Emeria Titan won't feel helpless against these types of decks.
The basics are from lists I've seen and online results. There's varience of course, especially with storm b/c of the budget vs non budget manabase for blood moon.
Ok, got it. I just want to know in case someone asks about those listed lands later.
Anyway, I think we should also make a guide for Eldrazi Tron.. since the deck seems to be trying to make a comeback. Do you have experience against that deck? I only faced it once last 2017. I won but it's tough. From what I remember this is what happened...
Game 1: died to large eldrazi attacks even if I had a main deck elspeth knight errant to make blockers. TKS taking sweepers and other removal from my hand helped them win.
Game 2: I bring in the mana screw package. 2 ghost quarter + crucible. That time, I think field of ruin was not yet printed. It was hard to mana screw them because I was under constant attacks from 4/4 and 5/5 eldrazi. Put spreading seas on tron lands. Also used blocking with Blade Splicers and wisps to survive. I gain the upper hand when they run out of basics to fetch. Cast a wrath, then finish the game with big gideon attacking for the win.
Game 3: went back and forth. We both amass a large board. I cast Gideon Jura. Use gideon ability so all the eldrazi are forced to attack him. Opponent borrow jura and read Jura ability. He concede after all his creatures are forced to attack, and he has no blockers for my creatures.
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Would you like to write the guide for E-Tron matchup?
I don't have any recent experience with E-Tron but from past games I had always found it favorable. I'd have to look up a recent tournament result to cross-reference first.
The new planeswalker, Teyo, the Shieldmage could be a good sideboard against Burn and other decks that try to target the player.
We can target him with Flickerwisp to reset his loyalty counters. Hmm, need to test this.. I'm also going to be tempted to add one Oath of Teferi, since there are already three walkers in my build. The oath also function an additional blink effect for our creatures.
Hey there, first time commenting but been following the thread for more than a year now! I've been a UW emeria player for all of my modern times (2 years more or less) and I'm looking to try the glittering wish list now as it looks super cool and interesting!
From this new edition I've been looking at Teferi, Time Raveler as a searchable sideboard card against control and Ajani, The Greathearted as a searchable sideboard card against aggro, namely burn.
Also I usually do weekly FNMs with 4 to 5 rounds so I also plan on eventually putting up some results to discuss a bit more of the deck as this is my one true love in Magic and I plan on only making it better :b
About Teyo, The Shieldmage, I feel like the hexproof it provides comes a bit to late to actually matter that much (for example early burn or turn 1 and 2 thoughtseize) and the ability to create 0/3 walls isn't as great as I find that in the worse matchups we have, even Wall of Omens which has a much better +1 toughness isn't really doing that much
Hi guys! I found this post and the deck inmediately caught my attention. I have some of the pieces (read: manabase, Settle, some blink creatures) so I tested it in Xmage and fell in love. I'm going to build it on paper so I wanted to share my list and see what do you think of what can I improve.
Some notes:
- I prefer Champion of Wits over Court Hussar. Opinions are welcome here but I don't like the latter and Champion worked amazing in my testing.
- I wasn't impressed by Lone Missionary at first sight but is better than it looks.
- I like Resto an Clique. A lot. They improve matches when you need to be aggro and break board stalls. I think it's important to have something that speeds up the clock since I'm going to play at my LGS and I want to win, not to draw. The deck is fun and strong against some decks, but opponents aren't going to concede so I need to close the game.
- The sweepers split seems ok. Gearhulk in SB as 4th Wrath also looks fine with Emeria but I couldn't test it.
Now, some questions:
- Is the Crucible of Worlds package worth it? If so, what should I cut? I should go with +2 Field of Ruin, +1 Ghost Quarter and +1 Crucible of Worlds, but what -3 lands and -1 spell should I cut?
- My sideboard is a mess. I tried to build it with cards that I've got to make the initial investment a little bit cheaper. I'm not impressed by Damping Sphere. I understand that combo and Tron are horrible, but I don't think the deck pressures enough to make the artifact as impactful as it is in, i.e. Bant Spirits. Clique and Resto help to fix this but maybe is not enough.
- What about GY hate? I really dislike Tormod's Crypt and Ravenous Trap. What about a transformative plan with 2-3 Rest in Peace in sideboard and side-out our Titans with another wincons like Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, a couple of Angels and/or Elspeth, Sun's Champion? (Or even Jace and Teferi, but I can't afford them so it's out of the table for me). Sounds a little bit crazy but I think it could work. It's not like that the deck can't work without GY. It still has good interaction and those wincons are difficult to deal with.
Hey mate, glad you're enjoying yourself with the deck!I also started building mine as blink value deck so i totally understand where you're coming from!
Overall i think it's a very solid list so i'll discuss in particular the things you mentioned:
I think the discussion between Court Hussarand Champion of Witsis a valid one. In my deck i go with a mix of both (3 court and 2 champions, this because i think individually court is better because it provides real card advantage and more selection (3 cards instead of 2) but champion is good for the late game, especially against control.
About missionary i understand the dislike because it seems insignificant but the life gain swings games, specially against burn and dredge.
Resto is a good card i used to run cause it has so much sinnergy with everything, but at least in my deck, i couldn't find the space to put a 4 drop that doesn't do anything by herself.
Clique is a good card for disruption of combos and stuff but i also couldn't find a place for her as we already have many good 3 drops and her double blue cost means she can't be played on turn 3 every time.
I dislike gearhulk as a 4th wrath cause the oponent will always get to keep his best thing, meaning sometimes it really doesn't deal with the problem we probably wanted to deal with.
To answer your questions:
- crucible is very good not only because of the land destruction package but because of fetchland recursion and emeria recursion if it's blown up for some reason. Also major card against tron if you have a Field of Ruin or a Ghost Quarterout.
- I used to run a Elspeth, Sun's Championin the side and i run a Gideon, Ally of Zendikarin the main, but usually the value and the titans are enough win condition for most matches in my opinion :b
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Still waiting for contributor for strategy against storm and ad nauseam.
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Ad Nauseam is an all in instant speed combo deck that is looking to draw their entire deck and win the game with either Lightning Storm or Laboratory Maniac. They do this by ramping into Ad Nauseam using artifact mana like Pentad Prism or Lotus Bloom and setting up their combo with either Phyrexian Unlife or Angel's Grace so they do not lose the game from the life loss given by Ad Nauseam.
Sideboard Strategy
Side out
all creature removal
4 Path to Exile, 2 Supreme Verdict, 1 Wrath of God, 3 Sun Titan
Side in
countermagic, disruption, and threats
2 Dispel, 2 Negate, 2 Stony Silence, 2 Damping Sphere, 1 Sorcerous Spyglass, 1 Gideon of the Trials
Tips and Tricks
1 Be mindful that a Gideon of the Trials at 3 loyalty can still be killed by a Lightning Storm without any lands pitched
2 Be mindful that a Flickerwisp can exile a Phyrexian Unlife in a pinch to deal lethal combat damage when needed
Basic Land count: 2
2 Plains
STORM
Storm is an all in semi graveyard based combo deck looking to cast multiple spells in a turn to increase their 'storm' count and kill you with either Grapeshot or Empty the Warrens. A storm players first priority is to resolve a Goblin Electromancer or Baral, Chief of Compliance. Once that is accomplished they will start netting mana with Desperate Ritual and Pyretic Ritual and drawing cards with Opt, Slight of Hand, Serum Visions and Manamorphose. They can run all this back with a Gifts Ungiven for Past in Flames, and once they have cast enough spells in a turn they will cast their win condition Grapeshot or Empty the Warrens.
Side out
4 Spreading Seas, 1 Crucible of Worlds, 2 Sun Titan, 1 Wrath of God, 2 Supreme Verdict
Side in
Graveyard Hate, Countermagic, Disruption, Threats
3 Tormod's Crypt, 2 Dispel, 2 Negate, 2 Damping Sphere, 1 Gideon of the Trials
Tips and Tricks
1 Use Path to Exile on a mana bear in response to the first ritual effect
2 Be mindful that some Storm list play Blood Moon, if your opponent is play fetch lands like Scalding Tarn they are more likely to be playing Blood Moon than lists that play Shivan Reef
3 Be mindful that some lists also like to pivot into a transformational sideboard of Madcap Experiment and Platinum Emperion
Basic Land count: 5
2 Island
2 Snow-Covered Island
1 Mountain
I know we can't make a side guide for all decks in modern, but I think we should at least do a sideboard guide against the more popular combo decks like Ad Nau and Storm. So that people new to Emeria Titan won't feel helpless against these types of decks.
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When you list the basics at the end of each guide, do you mean the average number of basic lands we can expect from that deck?
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Anyway, I think we should also make a guide for Eldrazi Tron.. since the deck seems to be trying to make a comeback. Do you have experience against that deck? I only faced it once last 2017. I won but it's tough. From what I remember this is what happened...
Game 1: died to large eldrazi attacks even if I had a main deck elspeth knight errant to make blockers. TKS taking sweepers and other removal from my hand helped them win.
Game 2: I bring in the mana screw package. 2 ghost quarter + crucible. That time, I think field of ruin was not yet printed. It was hard to mana screw them because I was under constant attacks from 4/4 and 5/5 eldrazi. Put spreading seas on tron lands. Also used blocking with Blade Splicers and wisps to survive. I gain the upper hand when they run out of basics to fetch. Cast a wrath, then finish the game with big gideon attacking for the win.
Game 3: went back and forth. We both amass a large board. I cast Gideon Jura. Use gideon ability so all the eldrazi are forced to attack him. Opponent borrow jura and read Jura ability. He concede after all his creatures are forced to attack, and he has no blockers for my creatures.
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Would you like to write the guide for E-Tron matchup?
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Anyway the E-Tron that I am familiar with is vulnerable to both our mana denial and creature removal package. Be wary of Walking Balista, All is Dust, and top end like Karn Liberated or Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger.
If you're expecting this deck
Side in
relevant countermagic, disruption, and removal
i.e. Elspeth, Sun's Champion is extremely potent in this match up
Side out
- assortment of 1 toughness creatures b/c of Walking Ballista and Endbringer
- trim Path to Exile b/c Chalice of the Void
I can write up a guide for this matchup soon.
Added Whir Prison as well, also waiting for contributors on that one.
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Post sideboard you want more creature removal and counter magic for specifically; planeswalkers or sweepers. I generally cut some number of one toughness creatures because they die to both Walking Ballista and End Bringer. I also trim a Path to Exile to hedge a Chalice of the Void on one, if your opponent has sided them out, leave Path to Exile in. Post sideboard if you're opponent brings in both Relic of Progenitus and Ratchet Bomb while leaving in Walking Ballista I would consider siding in Stony Silence too.
Side out: 5
1 Path to Exile
2 Lone Missionary
2 Flickerwisp
Side in: 5
2 Negate
1 Sorcerous Spyglass
1 Gideon of the Trials
1 Settle the Wreckage
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We can target him with Flickerwisp to reset his loyalty counters. Hmm, need to test this.. I'm also going to be tempted to add one Oath of Teferi, since there are already three walkers in my build. The oath also function an additional blink effect for our creatures.
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From this new edition I've been looking at Teferi, Time Raveler as a searchable sideboard card against control and Ajani, The Greathearted as a searchable sideboard card against aggro, namely burn.
Also I usually do weekly FNMs with 4 to 5 rounds so I also plan on eventually putting up some results to discuss a bit more of the deck as this is my one true love in Magic and I plan on only making it better :b
4 Flooded Strand
3 Windswept Heath
3 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
2 Field of Ruin
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Irrigated Farmland
1 Prairie Stream
7 Plains
1 Island
Creatures:
4 Wall of Omens
3 Lone Missionary
3 Sun Titan
3 Champion of Wits
2 Restoration Angel
1 Vendilion Clique
4 Flickerwisp
4 Path to Exile
4 Spreading Seas
3 Detention Sphere
1 Settle the Wreckage
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Wrath of God
2 Gideon of the Trials
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Cataclysmic Gearhulk
1 Celestial Purge
3 Negate
2 Disdainful Stroke
2 Sorcerous Spyglass
2 Stony Silence
2 Damping Sphere
1 Shalai, Voice of Plenty
Some notes:
- I prefer Champion of Wits over Court Hussar. Opinions are welcome here but I don't like the latter and Champion worked amazing in my testing.
- I wasn't impressed by Lone Missionary at first sight but is better than it looks.
- I like Resto an Clique. A lot. They improve matches when you need to be aggro and break board stalls. I think it's important to have something that speeds up the clock since I'm going to play at my LGS and I want to win, not to draw. The deck is fun and strong against some decks, but opponents aren't going to concede so I need to close the game.
- The sweepers split seems ok. Gearhulk in SB as 4th Wrath also looks fine with Emeria but I couldn't test it.
Now, some questions:
- Is the Crucible of Worlds package worth it? If so, what should I cut? I should go with +2 Field of Ruin, +1 Ghost Quarter and +1 Crucible of Worlds, but what -3 lands and -1 spell should I cut?
- My sideboard is a mess. I tried to build it with cards that I've got to make the initial investment a little bit cheaper. I'm not impressed by Damping Sphere. I understand that combo and Tron are horrible, but I don't think the deck pressures enough to make the artifact as impactful as it is in, i.e. Bant Spirits. Clique and Resto help to fix this but maybe is not enough.
- What about GY hate? I really dislike Tormod's Crypt and Ravenous Trap. What about a transformative plan with 2-3 Rest in Peace in sideboard and side-out our Titans with another wincons like Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, a couple of Angels and/or Elspeth, Sun's Champion? (Or even Jace and Teferi, but I can't afford them so it's out of the table for me). Sounds a little bit crazy but I think it could work. It's not like that the deck can't work without GY. It still has good interaction and those wincons are difficult to deal with.
Overall i think it's a very solid list so i'll discuss in particular the things you mentioned:
I think the discussion between Court Hussarand Champion of Witsis a valid one. In my deck i go with a mix of both (3 court and 2 champions, this because i think individually court is better because it provides real card advantage and more selection (3 cards instead of 2) but champion is good for the late game, especially against control.
About missionary i understand the dislike because it seems insignificant but the life gain swings games, specially against burn and dredge.
Resto is a good card i used to run cause it has so much sinnergy with everything, but at least in my deck, i couldn't find the space to put a 4 drop that doesn't do anything by herself.
Clique is a good card for disruption of combos and stuff but i also couldn't find a place for her as we already have many good 3 drops and her double blue cost means she can't be played on turn 3 every time.
I dislike gearhulk as a 4th wrath cause the oponent will always get to keep his best thing, meaning sometimes it really doesn't deal with the problem we probably wanted to deal with.
To answer your questions:
- crucible is very good not only because of the land destruction package but because of fetchland recursion and emeria recursion if it's blown up for some reason. Also major card against tron if you have a Field of Ruin or a Ghost Quarterout.
-About the sideboard, it always depends on your meta, but you should try to fight your worse match ups.I can give you my example wich consist of:
2 Damping Sphere
1 Disdainful Stroke
1Surgical Extraction
1Rest in Peace
1 Runed Halo
1 Detention Sphere
1 Sorcerous Spyglass
3Negate
2 Settle the Wreckage
2 Stony Silence
- I used to run a Elspeth, Sun's Championin the side and i run a Gideon, Ally of Zendikarin the main, but usually the value and the titans are enough win condition for most matches in my opinion :b
when people test some cards and the cards are proven to work, I'll add them to the primer.
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