I thought we voted on this being called Jeskai Nahiri?
In addition the stock list should include Ancestral Visions, at least for now. I also recommend using Jim Davis's list if others agree.
I think Bearscape felt that Harbinger sounded better, when he was proofreading the primer. So I guess his vote changed. -1 Nahiri, +1 Harbinger. I probably would've given the nod to Harbinger as well, albeit it was a close call either way (I like both names).
Comparing Ingram's and Jim's list, though they are both very similar, I also think Jim's list is slightly better. (I'd rather have Geists in my sideboard from Ingram's list though, but he's kinda my pet card. )
We had some discussion beforehand, but they're worth looking into again. Maybe once Eldritch Moon prerelease happens, discussion might pick up more on the card(s).
No on both accounts. Non Nahiri lists make up for less than 1% of the meta game, thus they don't qualify for Tier 2. The thread was also too old to be salvaged.
Not gonna lie, I'm getting pretty damn tired of people coming in *right after* we just had a long discussion about an alternate build and going, "Hey uh, guys, uh, I've been thinking........what if we ditched Nahiri?" Or, "Hey, what if we do Nahiri + Emmy + Kiki + Resto. It's like, totally different from just Nahiri + Emmy." Sometimes I wish they'd just make their own thread in Developing Competitive. I mean, I don't actually mind discussing different builds but man, I kinda hate seeing repeated and tired discussions over the exact same thing.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
Cards worth mentioning somewhere in the primer: Logic Knot, Think Twice, Jace, Archtect of Thought.
Apart from that, good job.
No, on all of those. None of those have ever showed up in a Jeskai Nahiri list. Those are sub-par cards from a bygone era.
What makes Logic Knot sub-par other than the fact that it is difficult to use in a 3-color deck that also wants to cast Lightning Helix on turn 2? Yes, It isn't particularly great in this deck (though if Izzet Charm is worth talking about it is worth mentioning at least as an option), but it isn't a "sub-par card from a bygone era."
Also, thank you Bearscape for making the primer! If you could add a section on Timely Reinforcements, that would be great. Possibly also Telling Time.
Bedlam Reveler isn't good in a reactive deck that is going to have more than 3-cards in hand almost all of the time, Imprisoned in the Moon is usually a worse Detention Sphere, and Summary Dismissal has a few niche uses but is mostly just a worse Cryptic Command.
Cards worth mentioning somewhere in the primer: Logic Knot, Think Twice, Jace, Archtect of Thought.
Apart from that, good job.
No, on all of those. None of those have ever showed up in a Jeskai Nahiri list. Those are sub-par cards from a bygone era.
What makes Logic Knot sub-par other than the fact that it is difficult to use in a 3-color deck that also wants to cast Lightning Helix on turn 2? Yes, It isn't particularly great in this deck (though if Izzet Charm is worth talking about it is worth mentioning at least as an option), but it isn't a "sub-par card from a bygone era."
Also, thank you Bearscape for making the primer! If you could add a section on Timely Reinforcements, that would be great. Possibly also Telling Time.
Oh, I don't mean it can't be run. I just mean it doesn't need to be in the Primer. It's not a stock card. No one has run it in a placing list. It can obviously be discussed. But one of the main problems in the past Jeskai primer is just so many people suggesting their pet cards over and over again without any regard to how the deck has changed. Lahiri wants to win quickly, in that regard Mana Leak and Remand are much more useful, plus the mana requirement on Logic Knot is a real thing.
There was a lot of discussion on logic knot in the last primer, it's a fine 1of (I run it myself), but nothing more.
1. Graveyard hate is allready strong against us, relying on logic knot would make it worse.
2. There are actually a lot of games where we have to discard emrakul, making logic knot useless in the following turns, unless our opponent has mana issues.
Furthemore we shouldn't talk about everything again, we allready discussed the ari lax list, new results from "jeskai black" would be cool though, I tried the list and were to impressed about it, it was incredible against affinity, the mirror, madu and junk, but bad against burn/ zoo.
I run 4strands 2mesas 2tarns and had the feeling that was reasonable, but I would liek to hear why I'm wrong.
You aren't wrong. I think people run more Tarns mostly out of habit. I run 4 Flooded Strand, 2 Scalding Tarn and 3 Arid Mesa myself.
About the fetchlands. I would like some explanation why tarn is better then mesa, that statment makes no sense for me.
Let me explain it:
1. Tarn is only better in cases where you want to fetch a blue basic, since mesa can fetch all shocklands. In a lot of cases t1 av/sv is a goood play and a blue basic let's us take less damage.
2. However against aggressive decks mesa is better, since it let's us fetch both plains and mountain without damage and therefor remove creatures without fetching into a shockland. In game 2 this advantage increases as we board out avs against fast decks.
3. Against blood moon all we need is a basic plains to cast wear/tear or nahiri. A increase in fetchlands that can fetch the plain helps in this case, making mesas better in any meta where we can expect a lot of magus/blood moons.
I run 4strands 2mesas 2tarns and had the feeling that was reasonable, but I would liek to hear why I'm wrong.
Because blue mana is the most important. Blue is the core of the deck, and you need to be able to fetch pain-free blue mana in a lot of scenarios. You're definitely not correct on your 3rd point because the chances you will also have a Wear/Tear or a Nahiri are not 100%. Keeping up blue mana is necessary to win with this deck. You cannot survive more than a couple turns with no blue sources and no wincon.
In your first point, you are correct that Mesa can fetch all shocks, as can every fetch in the deck. But fetching a basic mountain is more important than a basic plains because of Colonnade, which produces white mana, and is an integral part of the deck. Tarn will fetch blue and red mana without shocking you and that's a better combination than white and red.
I'm on 4 Strands, 3 Tarns and 1 Mesa, but I believe 4 Tarns, 3 Strands and 1 Mesa is probably more correct.
It ended up being Jeskai Harbinger as it rolled much better during proofreading. Considering how close the vote was and that I voted for Jeskai Nahiri originally, I assumed it wouldn't be too much of a big deal
I´d again recommend either Peter Ingram's or Jim Davis' list since they worked on the deck together thus making it likely that the lists are some of the most thought out and tested ones.
I personally preferre Pete's build since I don't like the lack of sweepers main board but the differences are very minor (2 slots, no sacred mesa does not count :D)
The more traditional control shell has not put up much new results after SCG Indy outside of minor events so if you want that version included as a second stock list i´d just use the scg indy one (that you already have included)
I'll change the stock list to be more reminiscent of those lists, even though I personally dislike running only 23 lands. Gotta try to be objective
Hey guys, I've managed to finish 6-2 at my WMCQ this weekend, which didn't grant me any prizes but was a respectable record nonetheless. My list was splashing black for Lingering Souls MD and Slaughter Games in SB, and I'll likely post it tomorrow after I get some sleep.
Cheers,
TFSS
This reminds me, I will make a section on the black splash and its ups- and downsides
Cards worth mentioning somewhere in the primer: Logic Knot, Think Twice, Jace, Archtect of Thought.
Apart from that, good job.
I'll make a mention of these cards, including their downsides. I'd consider them old tech of the deck frankly, and making a mention of them stops the thread from falling into the same discussions over and over again. Jace AoT was already in the sideboard guide I'm working on
About the fetchlands. I would like some explanation why tarn is better then mesa, that statment makes no sense for me.
Let me explain it:
1. Tarn is only better in cases where you want to fetch a blue basic, since mesa can fetch all shocklands. In a lot of cases t1 av/sv is a goood play and a blue basic let's us take less damage.
2. However against aggressive decks mesa is better, since it let's us fetch both plains and mountain without damage and therefor remove creatures without fetching into a shockland. In game 2 this advantage increases as we board out avs against fast decks.
3. Against blood moon all we need is a basic plains to cast wear/tear or nahiri. A increase in fetchlands that can fetch the plain helps in this case, making mesas better in any meta where we can expect a lot of magus/blood moons.
I run 4strands 2mesas 2tarns and had the feeling that was reasonable, but I would liek to hear why I'm wrong.
Because blue mana is the most important. Blue is the core of the deck, and you need to be able to fetch pain-free blue mana in a lot of scenarios.
This is not actually true and considering his fetches can already fetch U "painfree" with 75% of the fetches he seems well-equipped for this scenario.
You're definitely not correct on your 3rd point because the chances you will also have a Wear/Tear or a Nahiri are not 100%. Keeping up blue mana is necessary to win with this deck. You cannot survive more than a couple turns with no blue sources and no wincon.
I argue that he IS correct in point three as nothing you have said refute his point.
In your first point, you are correct that Mesa can fetch all shocks, as can every fetch in the deck. But fetching a basic mountain is more important than a basic plains because of Colonnade, which produces white mana, and is an integral part of the deck. Tarn will fetch blue and red mana without shocking you and that's a better combination than white and red.
People have cut back to 2-3 copies of colonnade so this is less true than it was in the recent past. Also I often want to fetch white painfree so that I can use PTE or Nahiri. We usually run several Sulfur Falls to handle painfree U/R
On the fetches, I believe blue is the most important as that is the color you need "right here and now" the most often; if you want to preserve life and want to bolt or path a creature, you can sacrifice some mana efficiency by fetching for a tapped shockland, untap and then kill the creature, instead of fetching untapped and killing it immediately. For countermagic however, that is not a possibility, so being able to fetch a basic island can often save some life points. And of course, you want to be able to get untapped blue on turn 1 in case you want to play AV/SV. White and Red seem about tied to me, as the general Jeskai Nahiri deck is more red-heavy than white-heavy, but fetching basic plains is you #1 priority versus Blood Moon decks.
All in all however this stuff is all very minor percentage-wise, and I'm on 4 Strands 3 Mesa 1 Tarn myself, simply because those are the fetches I own . As long as you can run all 8 on-color fetches and don't fall to Polluted Delta, it hardly makes a difference.
is there something like a burn threshhold? I have a hard time to evaluate when to got for the burn plan.
I had some fun with the modern nexus list less counters more burn heavy with second Helix and Electrolyze.
It feels like that this list struggels less in combo and tron matchups since you can agressivly try to burn them out and even vs jund I like the race plan more.
(people playing two pluse in the meanwhile... and thruns)
If anyone have so advice for me would be great! I am looking for:
"If my opponant is at life total X I usally go for the face is the place plan"
or
"At gamestate XYZ its better to go face"
cheers
dF
Good questions dF.
There isn't a specific life total when you should start going to the face but if the opponent is on ten or less it becomes something to think about. For example, your opponent is on ten and you have bolt and Snapcaster in hand. At your opponent's endstep I would be very likely to bolt, snap, bolt them at end of turn. Though you have to consider, Will my snap caster get to attack? Do I need to hold up snap, flashback counterspell instead, think concretely on what's likely to happen over the next 2-3 turns.
When to go for burn depends on a lot of factors, really. The matchup, your own lifetotal, texture of your hand, texture of your opponent's hand.. it's a bit of a cop-out, but I'd argue it mostly comes from match experience.
Also, if someone has suggestions for better art (or maybe even wants to make some) for the primer, that'd be great
I'm curious why Pia and... are in the main creature section. Has that card seen any play in Nahiri lists? I would include Wall of Omens before a card like that.
I played against DnTnEldrazi in an IQ yesterday. Opponent plays Thought Knot and my only two cards in hand were Emrakul and Clique. I Clique myself putting Emmy back in the deck and drawing a colonnade. It's situations like this that have convinced me to not drop clique from the list. It's been relevant on several occasions.
As for knot. I run a 1 of and I generally really like it. Against opposing counter magic decks, you can leave up 2 mana and they might think they are safe with a spell snare. Plus having a late game pseudo hard counter has been pretty helpful. The biggest advantage I've found is just delving away useless fetches and such so that if/when you reshuffle your deck with Emmy, you draw a lot more gas.
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Legacy: UW RiP/Helm, UR Sneak and Show
I'm curious why Pia and... are in the main creature section. Has that card seen any play in Nahiri lists? I would include Wall of Omens before a card like that.
Yes, Pia and Kira was played by Jeff Hoogland before Ingram won the gp. The card is not bad IMO.
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Death and taxes / UW control
Has anyone who has cut cryptic command found themselves missing it at all? I've noticed that builds are either 23 lands with ancestral and no cryptics and minimal electrolyze (1 if any). Or 24 lands with no ancestral visions and 2 cryptics/2 electrolyze. I'm sure there are other configurations, but that's just what I've been noticing the decklists are like. Has anyone played both and can say what they liked more?
The first few match-up guides are here... I went a bit overboard with these
I'll do the other Tier 1 decks to such an extent as well, but expect me to pipe down a bit for the tier 2 decks because that would be way too much work.
If someone would want to write some match-up guides as well, that'd also be great: maybe you often play Jeskai Harbinger against a friend who plays [insert tier 2 deck here] and know the matchup very well? Do keep in mind that I will reserve the right to be final editor
If you want to write one of the matchups, tell which one in the thread and then PM me what you made.
Has anyone who has cut cryptic command found themselves missing it at all? I've noticed that builds are either 23 lands with ancestral and no cryptics and minimal electrolyze (1 if any). Or 24 lands with no ancestral visions and 2 cryptics/2 electrolyze. I'm sure there are other configurations, but that's just what I've been noticing the decklists are like. Has anyone played both and can say what they liked more?
I play both and here are some of my opinions:
-I hate 23 land in my deck, even with 4 serum, 3 AV.
-I miss cryptic command in my local meta, too much cage, and cryptic can deal with them, buy time or bounce a bridge, i found myself searching a cryptic to win with emrakul a LOT of times.
-Im testing 2 ancestral, 1 cryptic 1 Electrolyze build now.
-I dont like anger in md.
-Love timelyne in md.
-I cant cut my clique.
Sideboard experiences:
-E.E. underperformed
-Elspeth overperformed (Bant eldrazi, Jund, and Coco)
-Im not sure if Spreadings seas deserves 2 slots in sb...
This is my opinon :). Maybe i post my list later.
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I'm curious why Pia and... are in the main creature section. Has that card seen any play in Nahiri lists? I would include Wall of Omens before a card like that.
Yes, Pia and Kira was played by Jeff Hoogland before Ingram won the gp. The card is not bad IMO.
I'm curious why Pia and... are in the main creature section. Has that card seen any play in Nahiri lists? I would include Wall of Omens before a card like that.
Yes, Pia and Kira was played by Jeff Hoogland before Ingram won the gp. The card is not bad IMO.
BEARSCAPE: CONGRATS FOR THE PRIMER!!!!
Which tourney did Hoagland place with it?
I think he's referring to when he was streaming the deck online. Maybe he went 5-0 a couple times in leagues, but that's as far as I knew of his success. In paper, he generally prefers playing Kiki Chord, so I don't see him placing with Jeskai IRL.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
I think Bearscape felt that Harbinger sounded better, when he was proofreading the primer. So I guess his vote changed. -1 Nahiri, +1 Harbinger. I probably would've given the nod to Harbinger as well, albeit it was a close call either way (I like both names).
Comparing Ingram's and Jim's list, though they are both very similar, I also think Jim's list is slightly better. (I'd rather have Geists in my sideboard from Ingram's list though, but he's kinda my pet card. )
We had some discussion beforehand, but they're worth looking into again. Maybe once Eldritch Moon prerelease happens, discussion might pick up more on the card(s).
Not gonna lie, I'm getting pretty damn tired of people coming in *right after* we just had a long discussion about an alternate build and going, "Hey uh, guys, uh, I've been thinking........what if we ditched Nahiri?" Or, "Hey, what if we do Nahiri + Emmy + Kiki + Resto. It's like, totally different from just Nahiri + Emmy." Sometimes I wish they'd just make their own thread in Developing Competitive. I mean, I don't actually mind discussing different builds but man, I kinda hate seeing repeated and tired discussions over the exact same thing.
What makes Logic Knot sub-par other than the fact that it is difficult to use in a 3-color deck that also wants to cast Lightning Helix on turn 2? Yes, It isn't particularly great in this deck (though if Izzet Charm is worth talking about it is worth mentioning at least as an option), but it isn't a "sub-par card from a bygone era."
Also, thank you Bearscape for making the primer! If you could add a section on Timely Reinforcements, that would be great. Possibly also Telling Time.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Bedlam Reveler isn't good in a reactive deck that is going to have more than 3-cards in hand almost all of the time, Imprisoned in the Moon is usually a worse Detention Sphere, and Summary Dismissal has a few niche uses but is mostly just a worse Cryptic Command.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Oh, I don't mean it can't be run. I just mean it doesn't need to be in the Primer. It's not a stock card. No one has run it in a placing list. It can obviously be discussed. But one of the main problems in the past Jeskai primer is just so many people suggesting their pet cards over and over again without any regard to how the deck has changed. Lahiri wants to win quickly, in that regard Mana Leak and Remand are much more useful, plus the mana requirement on Logic Knot is a real thing.
You aren't wrong. I think people run more Tarns mostly out of habit. I run 4 Flooded Strand, 2 Scalding Tarn and 3 Arid Mesa myself.
Because blue mana is the most important. Blue is the core of the deck, and you need to be able to fetch pain-free blue mana in a lot of scenarios. You're definitely not correct on your 3rd point because the chances you will also have a Wear/Tear or a Nahiri are not 100%. Keeping up blue mana is necessary to win with this deck. You cannot survive more than a couple turns with no blue sources and no wincon.
In your first point, you are correct that Mesa can fetch all shocks, as can every fetch in the deck. But fetching a basic mountain is more important than a basic plains because of Colonnade, which produces white mana, and is an integral part of the deck. Tarn will fetch blue and red mana without shocking you and that's a better combination than white and red.
I'm on 4 Strands, 3 Tarns and 1 Mesa, but I believe 4 Tarns, 3 Strands and 1 Mesa is probably more correct.
UWR Control
Legacy:
W D&T
I'll change the stock list to be more reminiscent of those lists, even though I personally dislike running only 23 lands. Gotta try to be objective
This reminds me, I will make a section on the black splash and its ups- and downsides
I'll make a mention of these cards, including their downsides. I'd consider them old tech of the deck frankly, and making a mention of them stops the thread from falling into the same discussions over and over again. Jace AoT was already in the sideboard guide I'm working on
This is not actually true and considering his fetches can already fetch U "painfree" with 75% of the fetches he seems well-equipped for this scenario.
I argue that he IS correct in point three as nothing you have said refute his point.
People have cut back to 2-3 copies of colonnade so this is less true than it was in the recent past. Also I often want to fetch white painfree so that I can use PTE or Nahiri. We usually run several Sulfur Falls to handle painfree U/R
Both of those manabases is perfectly fine and this is more matter of metagame then anything else.
On the fetches, I believe blue is the most important as that is the color you need "right here and now" the most often; if you want to preserve life and want to bolt or path a creature, you can sacrifice some mana efficiency by fetching for a tapped shockland, untap and then kill the creature, instead of fetching untapped and killing it immediately. For countermagic however, that is not a possibility, so being able to fetch a basic island can often save some life points. And of course, you want to be able to get untapped blue on turn 1 in case you want to play AV/SV. White and Red seem about tied to me, as the general Jeskai Nahiri deck is more red-heavy than white-heavy, but fetching basic plains is you #1 priority versus Blood Moon decks.
All in all however this stuff is all very minor percentage-wise, and I'm on 4 Strands 3 Mesa 1 Tarn myself, simply because those are the fetches I own . As long as you can run all 8 on-color fetches and don't fall to Polluted Delta, it hardly makes a difference.
Good questions dF.
There isn't a specific life total when you should start going to the face but if the opponent is on ten or less it becomes something to think about. For example, your opponent is on ten and you have bolt and Snapcaster in hand. At your opponent's endstep I would be very likely to bolt, snap, bolt them at end of turn. Though you have to consider, Will my snap caster get to attack? Do I need to hold up snap, flashback counterspell instead, think concretely on what's likely to happen over the next 2-3 turns.
Also, if someone has suggestions for better art (or maybe even wants to make some) for the primer, that'd be great
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Would love to have more input to improve!
I played against DnTnEldrazi in an IQ yesterday. Opponent plays Thought Knot and my only two cards in hand were Emrakul and Clique. I Clique myself putting Emmy back in the deck and drawing a colonnade. It's situations like this that have convinced me to not drop clique from the list. It's been relevant on several occasions.
As for knot. I run a 1 of and I generally really like it. Against opposing counter magic decks, you can leave up 2 mana and they might think they are safe with a spell snare. Plus having a late game pseudo hard counter has been pretty helpful. The biggest advantage I've found is just delving away useless fetches and such so that if/when you reshuffle your deck with Emmy, you draw a lot more gas.
Legacy: UW RiP/Helm, UR Sneak and Show
Yes, Pia and Kira was played by Jeff Hoogland before Ingram won the gp. The card is not bad IMO.
BEARSCAPE: CONGRATS FOR THE PRIMER!!!!
Death and taxes / UW control
I'll do the other Tier 1 decks to such an extent as well, but expect me to pipe down a bit for the tier 2 decks because that would be way too much work.
If someone would want to write some match-up guides as well, that'd also be great: maybe you often play Jeskai Harbinger against a friend who plays [insert tier 2 deck here] and know the matchup very well? Do keep in mind that I will reserve the right to be final editor
If you want to write one of the matchups, tell which one in the thread and then PM me what you made.
I play both and here are some of my opinions:
-I hate 23 land in my deck, even with 4 serum, 3 AV.
-I miss cryptic command in my local meta, too much cage, and cryptic can deal with them, buy time or bounce a bridge, i found myself searching a cryptic to win with emrakul a LOT of times.
-Im testing 2 ancestral, 1 cryptic 1 Electrolyze build now.
-I dont like anger in md.
-Love timelyne in md.
-I cant cut my clique.
Sideboard experiences:
-E.E. underperformed
-Elspeth overperformed (Bant eldrazi, Jund, and Coco)
-Im not sure if Spreadings seas deserves 2 slots in sb...
This is my opinon :). Maybe i post my list later.
Death and taxes / UW control
Which tourney did Hoagland place with it?
I think he's referring to when he was streaming the deck online. Maybe he went 5-0 a couple times in leagues, but that's as far as I knew of his success. In paper, he generally prefers playing Kiki Chord, so I don't see him placing with Jeskai IRL.